today we're going to take a look at this coffee  grinder right here this is the weber workshop key  

and this is an electric grinder for the home it's  also a 2 000 coffee grinder and i know what you're  

thinking that's absolutely absurd this is kind of  the territory where we're talking about end game  

coffee grinders so in this video i'm going to talk  about what is this coffee grinder all about who  

is this coffee grinder for what does the coffee  taste like that's coming out of a product of this  

magnitude and do i enjoy my experience with this  is it a masterpiece or is it more of a gimmick  

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i'm truly curious so the key let's talk  about this this is a fascinating grinder  

for many reasons and turned a lot of heads  when it was announced by weber workshops  

back in 2021 because again this is very similar to  their hd2 their hg1 it shares the same burst set  

the same adjustment system and for a lot of  people this is desirable because not everybody  

wants to hand grind their coffee but some people  prefer that conical burst set to a flat burst set  

that you might find on the eg1 or even save some  money because the eg1 well it's it's almost twice  

the price of this grinder it's fairly expensive  but this grinder it's it's beautiful right this  

is the snow it comes in the onyx as well and if  you're somebody who doesn't like to clean after  

your coffee equipment or get the get the black  one the white one's beautiful i prefer it but  

it gets dirty very easily it's it's very  thin you know it's a little deeper and a  

little higher but it's a thin grinder so it  can fit on a bar beside things very easily  

i mean in comparison here's a niche zero while  a little bit taller it's definitely skinnier you  

know it's deeper so depending on your cabinet that  could be an issue but i don't think it will be  

and for two thousand dollars you'd expect a very  premium feeling experience and thankfully the  

key it has that you know it's it's fully metal  it's got nice wood pieces that are treated well  

it's heavy like everything is really high quality  there's no gaps in the panels right there's no  

shortcuts there's no plastics over here you've got  a little wood piece that pulls out to be a brush  

and i think this is really nice there's a little  copper sleeve that can pull open and close so when  

it pulls out it comes out ready to brush any  coffee grounds that you would need and you can  

slide that back in place and then you've got  something very important on the end here which  

is a big selling feature for this grinder which  is their rpm dial now in future videos i hope  

to dive into this topic more because this really  is an area that we as an industry haven't really  

talked about a ton but this is becoming very  popular within home grinders and coffee grinders  

adjusting the speed at which those burs spin which  reflects into the profiles and tastes we get from  

the coffee and i'm going to share my experience  with this in this video later on but very nice  

feature and something we haven't seen on this  burst set and then beside that is the power switch  

and this grinder is very quiet and down at  that 30 rpm you can barely hear this thing  

it does get a little bit louder at that  150 but this is still a very quiet grinder  

as you would expect but right here this is  really the selling feature of this grinder  

this is weber workshop's very familiar uh  grind adjustment system you find on the eg1  

and the hd2 and hg one now this system uses a  five micron stepped adjustment system something  

a lot of people aren't aware of this is actually  a stepped grinder now how it works is you lift up  

this collar here which then removes the pins pin  locking system for this dial and you can twist it  

and lock it back down in place so each one of  those marks there represents five microns which  

is incredibly small i think red blood cells  are eight microns so this is we're talking  

very very small adjustments the grinder's not  gonna lock out of adjustment by mistake you're  

not gonna hit this and move it by mistake it's  locked in so we should probably dive into my  

experience my thoughts with this grinder what i  love good and bad but first let's brew a coffee  

i'm actually really excited to talk about the  coffee this produces because for me it's very  

unique it's it's fascinating so when i bought this  i actually thought this would be more similar to  

like a niche zero with a conical burst set you  know more blended in nature a lot of texture a  

lot of body to those shots maybe lacking some  clarity in exchange you know when i bought this  

this for me was that step up from the niche maybe  a little more premium of an experience it looks  

beautiful but it's it's actually very different  for me for for the niche you've got very textured  

shots but this this is a very um it's high in  clarity and actually especially at the low rpms  

lacks a lot of body when i'm talking about those  words when i say body i'm talking about like those  

ooey those gooey shots that you would get  from very traditional style espresso this  

isn't producing that now rpm is playing a big  factor here what we know from rpm is the lower the  

speed on the coffee grinder the more uniform it is  in its grind distribution i think this is why we  

see such great results from a lot of hand grinders  is because we have such a low rpm but from this  

grinder you can bring it right down to 30 rpm so  really you're simulating a hand grinder if not  

slower which is really interesting now you can get  this up to 150 and like i said at that 150 range  

you start to get more body a lot less clarity  you're producing a different style of grind  

distribution and the results are more more niche  like more traditional conical but at these low  

rpms the grounds are interesting like they don't  look uniform right they're not like a unimodal  

grinder like a flat bird they look different and  the result is is different too like the coffee  

it's just it lacks that body but man does it pop  in in clarity and for me i think this is a grinder  

that would really excel for a specific person  right if you have like a decent espresso machine  

or like a lever espresso machine or something  with flow control or pressure profiling this  

is a grinder that would excel with a machine like  that because you can really push long extractions  

without getting a lot of bitterness or astringency  from those coffees now that being said at that  

higher rpm like i mentioned you will get able to  get more traditional clinical style shots and so  

any machine can be able to pull on this don't get  me wrong but it is a great machine for people who  

want to experiment in my experience at least so  let's quickly talk about the filtered coffee the  

key produces and while this isn't a filter coffee  focus grinder it is a 2 000 grinder with lower  

tension so you'd expect it to do both filter and  espresso especially if this is your only grinder  

and it does deliver while this wouldn't be my  filter coffee grinder of choice it produces great  

juicy cups of coffee that have good clarity not  quite as much as like a flat burr grinder but  

more than something than the niche zero it does  still produce a lot of fines in your beds of your  

filter brewers but that really hasn't uh really  hasn't affected the cups terribly now let's talk  

about some pros and cons because that's obviously  a big factor here what's good what's not what has  

my experience been let's start with pros so this  grinder is beautiful right it's it's compact it  

looks nice it's very quiet that brush feature the  materials used on this feel like you're getting  

your money's worth even putting this beside a p64  while that's a beautiful grinder and some might  

prefer the looks of that you can tell there's a  incredible build quality on the weber workshops  

there's something about the way that they build  these machines that definitely turns heads it's  

a centerpiece to a brew bar the tolerances on  this are very tight for me out of the box it  

was perfectly aligned at least from what i can  tell things like even the magic tumbler which  

is a catch cup that actually uh releases the  bottom of the tumbler so your grounds can fall  

into the portafilter as you probably saw me doing  earlier which is also magnetic it both magnets to  

the base of this grinder and also magnetizes to  the grinder itself it's a nice feeling experience  

i really love that part for sure but let's talk  about some cons because there's definitely some  

here now first off i don't love this this is  an anti-popcorning disc that's kind of been  

kind of feels like an afterthought it sits on  top of where you feed your beans into the grinder  

it helps for sure but like it just doesn't fit  with the rest of this grinder like everything  

feels very premium in this i don't love that  i also don't love how hard it can be to adjust  

the grind setting depending on at least this is  my grinder it uh it can be a very hard thing to  

adjust now for most people this won't be a huge  issue but it is something to consider depending on  

i guess your strength like do you need to be  strong to adjust a coffee credit i don't know  

but it's definitely something i noticed  i've never had an issue adjusting grind  

size before and this one's a little tough  now the other thing speaking of grind size  

the burst set itself produces fantastic quality  grounds it's a monster 83 millimeter conical weber  

workshop coats their grinder burr and they say  that they season it as well now for me this is  

very confusing uh it definitely is a burst that  still needs to be seized regardless of what they  

communicate in the purchasing process now a couple  other things to be dressed i've been on forums and  

looked on reddit to other experiences people  have been having to ensure that my perspective  

isn't linear but i'm addressing the issues that  the community is facing now i can only speak to  

my experiences but i did notice some people having  some issues with their early units mine being one  

of the first out there by the way people had some  marks on the top of their grinder especially the  

white models i i can't speak to the the black one  and uh there were some paint defects now this was  

a minor issue and again i talked to douglas he  said they're already addressing it and so by the  

time you're watching this video this is probably a  non-issue but again because it's a review thought  

it was worth addressing so hey guys editor kyle  here uh originally in this video i recorded  

saying that i had no issues with stalling  or hesitations as i had heard some friends  

who had those issues but update uh since recording  this about a week ago i have had some issues uh  

this coffee is a coffee from onyx this is a  pointy village it's a light roasted colombian  

and up to this point nothing has really hesitated  the motor uh but this coffee has so you know i've  

just basically been lucky to this point but  i'll show you exactly what happens it doesn't  

stall where the motor stops but it slows down at  its lowest rpm now if i pour this coffee in here  

and i turn this on this is at 30 as you can see oh  oh now it's at 30. and i turn this on you can see  

it has to grab some popcorn in there too  so quick quick thought with that obviously  

popcorning has been an ongoing issue that i i  didn't mention in this video um and also that  

that concerns me you know for a grinder of this  price i definitely wouldn't want it to hesitate  

i'm not really grinding at 30 anyways but you  would expect that that wouldn't be an issue  

now something that i'm kind of neutral on  here is this built-in wire mixer now this  

is attached to the inner burr and as the  burr grinds the coffee it spins this little  

needle here to mix those coffee grounds and break  down any clumps i think it's a really unique idea  

but it hasn't been super functional for  me this might just be a personal thing  

but i've always had to use the wdt or mixing the  coffee grounds to help break down those clumps  

even more for best distribution it doesn't hit the  whole magic tumbler and so it only really mixes a  

certain part of it definitely if you don't have  a wdt tool this is better than nothing if you do  

have one i would still recommend using that wdt to  break down those clumps again owning this for over  

a month now i've really taken my time to address  this grinder and really familiarize myself with  

it now i'm i've mixed feelings on the workflow  of this grinder it both is really satisfying  

with magnets and nice feeling materials but  awkward when it comes to grind adjustments  

but also pouring the beans into the grind chamber  now there's not a ton of space here as you can see  

so depending on your dosing cup which whoever  provides this little tiny one with a spray  

bottle by the way which is awesome this one is  is definitely designed for this grinder which  

is nice and also weber has like their bean  cellars that you can store coffee beans in  

now this one's nice and thin and it works really  well for this grinder you can even sit on top  

here if you want to but if you have something a  little bit bigger a different dose and cup it's  

not great it's very awkward to pour your beans in  here i wouldn't say it's a reason not to buy this  

grinder unless that's a big deal to you so let's  wrap this up the weber workshop key is this a  

grinder that you should consider is it a grinder  worth the the two thousand dollar price tag  

and is it a modern espresso masterpiece as i've  shared so much in this video this is a very niche  

grinder if you're somebody who wants to brew very  modern style espresso who has a a slayer style  

machine or something with like flow control  or pressure profiling or like a decent or a  

lever machine this might be a grinder worth  considering while it's super expensive there  

really isn't a ton of options when it comes to  a build quality like this with the adjustability  

in rpms uh on a 83 millimeter conical is this  for everybody definitely not if somebody knows  

exactly what they want they want like a unimoda  style burr or they want a high textured coffee  

this is probably not the grinder for you you might  be better going off with something like the p64  

or going with weber's eg1 it's it's a nice  electric grinder it's got great build quality  

but i see a little bit of competition and almost  tribalism between flappers and conical bursts  

this isn't a flat bur grinder it's not trying to  emulate it it is its own thing but if you kind  

of want like a hybrid grinder and something  unique something beautiful something smaller  

whatever your case might be this is definitely  a great conical burst set just keep in mind  

it's not a traditional conical in the profiles  that it produces it's not going to produce  

those very thick bodied espressos at least in my  experience this far and i've brewed hundreds of  

coffees on this at this point mine being the first  in canada and one of the first in north america  

i was excited to see that mine had no issues  the alignment was perfect the paint was perfect  

everything about mine was good and i do believe  that weber workshop has designed a beautiful  

grinder here it's really nice to use except for  some quirks that are personal subjective opinions  

in that but i do want to know what do you think  i'm sure you've got lots of opinions on your take  

on the weber workshop key do you have one of these  do you ever plan on looking at something this  

expensive is 2 000 way too much money to spend on  a coffee grinder or is it enough let me know down  

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