- This glitter-bombed Dell OptiPlex,
- This glitter-bombed Dell OptiPlex,

is not only a real product you can actually buy,
is not only a real product you can actually buy,

but it's just a small part of an entire
but it's just a small part of an entire

hidden in plain sight industry of refurbishers,
hidden in plain sight industry of refurbishers,

who seem to be bulk buying retired office PCs,
who seem to be bulk buying retired office PCs,

dazzling them up,
dazzling them up,

and then offloading them to want to be gamers.
and then offloading them to want to be gamers.

I have so many questions right now.
I have so many questions right now.

Are people actually buying these?
Are people actually buying these?

Who are the companies building them?
Who are the companies building them?

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- The Treasure Box, first popped up on our radar
- The Treasure Box, first popped up on our radar

and a back to school flyer earlier this year,
and a back to school flyer earlier this year,

but other than having a little chuckle
but other than having a little chuckle

about the creative idea of throwing
about the creative idea of throwing

glittery lipstick on big computers
glittery lipstick on big computers

to blow away dead stock,
to blow away dead stock,

we didn't pay them much attention.
we didn't pay them much attention.

That is, until we saw them in the next week's flyer,
That is, until we saw them in the next week's flyer,

and the one after that, and the one after that.
and the one after that, and the one after that.

And then, upon further inspection we realized,
And then, upon further inspection we realized,

these things are everywhere, in some shape or form.
these things are everywhere, in some shape or form.

Amazon, Walmart, New Egg, Best Buy,
Amazon, Walmart, New Egg, Best Buy,

some site called Ubuy, based out of the country of Jordan.
some site called Ubuy, based out of the country of Jordan.

Now most of them aren't explicitly marketed as, gaming PCs
Now most of them aren't explicitly marketed as, gaming PCs

but given the aesthetic and the imagery,
but given the aesthetic and the imagery,

it's pretty clear what market they're going after.
it's pretty clear what market they're going after.

And truthfully,
And truthfully,

why not?
why not?

We've shown multiple times that a castoff office computer
We've shown multiple times that a castoff office computer

with some strategic upgrades
with some strategic upgrades

can be an unbeatable value for budget gamers.
can be an unbeatable value for budget gamers.

Maybe these are too.
Maybe these are too.

So to find out, we bought a couple of them,
So to find out, we bought a couple of them,

starting with the best Treasure Box brand unit
starting with the best Treasure Box brand unit

that we could find.
that we could find.

4th Gen core i7, 32 gigs of Ram,
4th Gen core i7, 32 gigs of Ram,

a one terabyte SSD, RGB lighting,
a one terabyte SSD, RGB lighting,

and a fully licensed copy of Windows 10,
and a fully licensed copy of Windows 10,

for the low-low price of just 300 US dollars.
for the low-low price of just 300 US dollars.

What secrets will we find inside your head?
What secrets will we find inside your head?

Yah!
Yah!

I actually really like the way they've done this finish.
I actually really like the way they've done this finish.

I assumed it would be
I assumed it would be

like spray bombed or something like that,
like spray bombed or something like that,

but it actually appears to be
but it actually appears to be

like almost like a grip tape type of texture.
like almost like a grip tape type of texture.

It looks pretty good in person.
It looks pretty good in person.

Oh, it's not sticking very well here,
Oh, it's not sticking very well here,

but you got to give them credit
but you got to give them credit

for being completionist about it.
for being completionist about it.

They not only do the top and front,
They not only do the top and front,

but also the sides and bottom.
but also the sides and bottom.

Actually looks kind of sharp, doesn't it?
Actually looks kind of sharp, doesn't it?

Oh wow!
Oh wow!

That is the generic-st memory ever.
That is the generic-st memory ever.

Just bare dims, no stickers whatsoever
Just bare dims, no stickers whatsoever

with SK hynix packages on it.
with SK hynix packages on it.

It even looks,
It even looks,

like very clean,
like very clean,

like almost too clean to the point,
like almost too clean to the point,

where they might even be sourcing this stuff new.
where they might even be sourcing this stuff new.

That doesn't make any sense.
That doesn't make any sense.

I would think given that it's older,
I would think given that it's older,

like there is so much used DDR3 on the market,
like there is so much used DDR3 on the market,

that they wouldn't bother to source new sticks.
that they wouldn't bother to source new sticks.

But it might be as simple as they're just
But it might be as simple as they're just

peeling the stickers off,
peeling the stickers off,

whatever it is they happen to find,
whatever it is they happen to find,

and then throwing them into genericize them,
and then throwing them into genericize them,

then why would they do that?
then why would they do that?

Because then they would have difficulty claiming warranty
Because then they would have difficulty claiming warranty

from whoever they're getting these sticks from.
from whoever they're getting these sticks from.

What about our SSD?
What about our SSD?

Okay,
Okay,

it may be a terabyte but it is,
it may be a terabyte but it is,

certainly nothing special KingFast.
certainly nothing special KingFast.

Not exactly,
Not exactly,

the leader in performance SSDs.
the leader in performance SSDs.

Ooh, ooh!
Ooh, ooh!

Hey, there we go.
Hey, there we go.

Ow mother-
Ow mother-

- You bleeding?
- You bleeding?

- Oh yeah, it was here.
- Oh yeah, it was here.

And it was so sharp,
And it was so sharp,

that I didn't even slide.
that I didn't even slide.

Be right back.
Be right back.

This is great though.
This is great though.

Even a cheap SSD can make a world of difference
Even a cheap SSD can make a world of difference

to the responsiveness of a system.
to the responsiveness of a system.

The SSD that I paid in blood to identify
The SSD that I paid in blood to identify

turned out to be a KingFast F 10, one terabyte,
turned out to be a KingFast F 10, one terabyte,

not the world's fastest SSD.
not the world's fastest SSD.

And because it doesn't have a DRAM cache,
And because it doesn't have a DRAM cache,

there are cases where it could actually end up being
there are cases where it could actually end up being

slower than a mechanical hard drive.
slower than a mechanical hard drive.

But,
But,

with light desktop use,
with light desktop use,

those cases would be few and far between,
those cases would be few and far between,

and it would be a substantial upgrade
and it would be a substantial upgrade

over whatever mechanical storage
over whatever mechanical storage

might have been in the system.
might have been in the system.

Also, because many businesses shred their storage devices,
Also, because many businesses shred their storage devices,

when they donate or liquidate PCs,
when they donate or liquidate PCs,

it's likely that there wasn't anything in here
it's likely that there wasn't anything in here

in the first place.
in the first place.

Since we've got a better look at the motherboard now,
Since we've got a better look at the motherboard now,

seems like good time to look at that.
seems like good time to look at that.

There is a PCIe 16x slot down here
There is a PCIe 16x slot down here

that could be used for GPU expansion.
that could be used for GPU expansion.

But because this is a slim chassis,
But because this is a slim chassis,

you'd be limited to cards that are half height
you'd be limited to cards that are half height

but full length as long as,
but full length as long as,

they don't have a bulky dual slot cooler
they don't have a bulky dual slot cooler

that would interfere with your data ports over here.
that would interfere with your data ports over here.

That's curious, there's an RGB strip in the front,
That's curious, there's an RGB strip in the front,

but I don't actually see what's powering it.
but I don't actually see what's powering it.

Oh wow, it's two separate RGB strips in there.
Oh wow, it's two separate RGB strips in there.

Hey, wait a minute!
Hey, wait a minute!

The front of the case only has two cut outs for USB ports
The front of the case only has two cut outs for USB ports

but the system itself has four.
but the system itself has four.

Oh crap, I just powered it on.
Oh crap, I just powered it on.

They stickered over them.
They stickered over them.

As best as we can tell, the only reason to do this,
As best as we can tell, the only reason to do this,

might be because there are versions of this chassis
might be because there are versions of this chassis

that only have two front USB ports.
that only have two front USB ports.

And this way they would only have to stalk
And this way they would only have to stalk

one version of this front bezel sticker.
one version of this front bezel sticker.

But then we found listings for Treasure Box PCs,
But then we found listings for Treasure Box PCs,

that do have all four ports cut out.
that do have all four ports cut out.

So,
So,

we're really, really not sure what the deal is with that.
we're really, really not sure what the deal is with that.

Time for some USB port surgery.
Time for some USB port surgery.

And ideally I won't cut myself again.
And ideally I won't cut myself again.

This is a very sharp knife.
This is a very sharp knife.

JerryRig everything.
JerryRig everything.

lttstore.com.
lttstore.com.

Brandon, just don't get too close to this, hey.
Brandon, just don't get too close to this, hey.

- Yeah, sure.
- Yeah, sure.

(laughing)
(laughing)

- Oh, I nailed the second one though.
- Oh, I nailed the second one though.

Look at that, clean!
Look at that, clean!

Almost as clean as the windows install
Almost as clean as the windows install

on the Treasure Box PC.
on the Treasure Box PC.

I was actually really impressed
I was actually really impressed

to see that outside of VLC,
to see that outside of VLC,

and the games and applications that we've installed,
and the games and applications that we've installed,

this machine contains no blow wear
this machine contains no blow wear

like antivirus or freemium games,
like antivirus or freemium games,

or anything like that.
or anything like that.

Does this ever load?
Does this ever load?

Like is this.
Like is this.

- No, I'm surprised it's still up honestly.
- No, I'm surprised it's still up honestly.

- Unfortunately, this is about as far as we get,
- Unfortunately, this is about as far as we get,

beyond light games from like 10 years ago.
beyond light games from like 10 years ago.

This thing is going to struggle
This thing is going to struggle

to do pretty much any gaming.
to do pretty much any gaming.

And given the marketing, there are almost certainly
And given the marketing, there are almost certainly

parents or grandparents who have ended up
parents or grandparents who have ended up

with disappointed kids,
with disappointed kids,

when their new computer can barely run Minecraft.
when their new computer can barely run Minecraft.

But, if we adjust our expectations a little bit
But, if we adjust our expectations a little bit

the Treasure Box is actually looking like,
the Treasure Box is actually looking like,

a pretty okay value.
a pretty okay value.

I mean sure, it's based on an older platform
I mean sure, it's based on an older platform

and it doesn't have the latest bells and whistles,
and it doesn't have the latest bells and whistles,

like USB type C.
like USB type C.

But, as long as you're not trying to run applications
But, as long as you're not trying to run applications

it doesn't support,
it doesn't support,

day to day the responsiveness of the system
day to day the responsiveness of the system

is actually pretty okay.
is actually pretty okay.

Thanks to that basic SSD boot drive.
Thanks to that basic SSD boot drive.

Now you could build one yourself for cheaper.
Now you could build one yourself for cheaper.

We ended up pricing out all the pieces inside
We ended up pricing out all the pieces inside

for anywhere from 185
for anywhere from 185

to $240,
to $240,

depending on promos and availability.
depending on promos and availability.

But not everyone has the technical know-how
But not everyone has the technical know-how

or the desire to do that.
or the desire to do that.

And for peace of mind, it comes with a one year warranty.
And for peace of mind, it comes with a one year warranty.

I had some doubts,
I had some doubts,

about that warranty actually being honored,
about that warranty actually being honored,

but if user reviews or anything to go by,
but if user reviews or anything to go by,

these guys mostly stand behind their product.
these guys mostly stand behind their product.

I would be interested to test that ourselves though.
I would be interested to test that ourselves though.

Can we give it a shot,
Can we give it a shot,

maybe post a little note
maybe post a little note

in the video description, with how it goes?
in the video description, with how it goes?

- Yeah, we'll do that.
- Yeah, we'll do that.

- Okay, cool.
- Okay, cool.

But, as we showed before,
But, as we showed before,

these machines are everywhere,
these machines are everywhere,

and not all of them come from that same company.
and not all of them come from that same company.

Meet,
Meet,

ah!
ah!

The TecDale PC.
The TecDale PC.

From TecDale.
From TecDale.

This one doesn't have a catchy name like Treasure Box
This one doesn't have a catchy name like Treasure Box

but they've certainly gussied it up a little bit.
but they've certainly gussied it up a little bit.

We've got this what appears to be like a blue vinyl sticker,
We've got this what appears to be like a blue vinyl sticker,

whatever this is.
whatever this is.

I guess we'll figure that out later.
I guess we'll figure that out later.

They've also added a like a,
They've also added a like a,

some stickers on the top.
some stickers on the top.

Oh, interesting!
Oh, interesting!

That's just to make the case look less scuffed and beat up.
That's just to make the case look less scuffed and beat up.

There's a little lip here.
There's a little lip here.

- Oh wow!
- Oh wow!

- See there's a sticker
- See there's a sticker

and you can actually see the like beat up case center.
and you can actually see the like beat up case center.

I was wondering why they would bother to do that
I was wondering why they would bother to do that

and they've got a cutout
and they've got a cutout

for where the original Windows color went?
for where the original Windows color went?

Huh!
Huh!

Yeah, hey, look at this.
Yeah, hey, look at this.

This side panel too.
This side panel too.

They actually vinyl-ed the whole thing.
They actually vinyl-ed the whole thing.

It's just way more subtle.
It's just way more subtle.

Maybe there's treasure anyway.
Maybe there's treasure anyway.

Now there's dust,
Now there's dust,

that sort of,
that sort of,

dead skin cell treasure.
dead skin cell treasure.

Only 256 gigs but this one was cheaper.
Only 256 gigs but this one was cheaper.

I have never heard of Hajaan.
I have never heard of Hajaan.

Apparently that is a house brand for TecDale.
Apparently that is a house brand for TecDale.

They call this the most powerful SSD.
They call this the most powerful SSD.

I think not.
I think not.

We've got not one, not two,
We've got not one, not two,

but three different types of RAM in here.
but three different types of RAM in here.

I have no idea what the meaning of these two X's
I have no idea what the meaning of these two X's

wiped into the dust are,
wiped into the dust are,

but we've actually got a GPU in here.
but we've actually got a GPU in here.

A GT 1030, not the most powerful thing in the world
A GT 1030, not the most powerful thing in the world

but it should manage CS: GO at the very least.
but it should manage CS: GO at the very least.

More compact RGB controller,
More compact RGB controller,

but oh, there's definitely RGB.
but oh, there's definitely RGB.

Let's go ahead and fire this thing up.
Let's go ahead and fire this thing up.

Not as nicely put together as the other one.
Not as nicely put together as the other one.

But I got to say,
But I got to say,

even if it's only a GT 1030,
even if it's only a GT 1030,

it's probably going to make a pretty big difference
it's probably going to make a pretty big difference

to have a discreet GPU of some sort in here.
to have a discreet GPU of some sort in here.

Oh, that's cool.
Oh, that's cool.

Look at that!
Look at that!

RGB strip here
RGB strip here

and an Infinity Mirror RGB strip.
and an Infinity Mirror RGB strip.

Only 16 gigs of RAM this time.
Only 16 gigs of RAM this time.

3rd Gen processor,
3rd Gen processor,

and only a 256 gig SSD.
and only a 256 gig SSD.

But, we also have a 500 gig of hard drive
But, we also have a 500 gig of hard drive

and this machine was only 300 Canadian dollars.
and this machine was only 300 Canadian dollars.

It's not strictly advertised as a gaming PC,
It's not strictly advertised as a gaming PC,

but it comes with this multifunctional
but it comes with this multifunctional

RGB back lit gaming 3 in 1 combo.
RGB back lit gaming 3 in 1 combo.

So, I think it's fair to say
So, I think it's fair to say

that CS: GO should probably at least launch on it.
that CS: GO should probably at least launch on it.

Oh wow!
Oh wow!

I have never seen a keyboard,
I have never seen a keyboard,

whose RGB is controlled via remote before.
whose RGB is controlled via remote before.

There's a first time for everything.
There's a first time for everything.

We're actually not a hundred percent sure
We're actually not a hundred percent sure

of the price for this one,
of the price for this one,

because since we ordered it
because since we ordered it

the page has completely disappeared.
the page has completely disappeared.

And the guy who has the invoice, isn't here right now.
And the guy who has the invoice, isn't here right now.

So you're going to see an onscreen correction
So you're going to see an onscreen correction

if I didn't get it right.
if I didn't get it right.

What is this?
What is this?

Is this a, is this a USB thumb stick?
Is this a, is this a USB thumb stick?

Oh, this is a wireless
Oh, this is a wireless

dongle for what?
dongle for what?

Oh, it's wifi and Bluetooth.
Oh, it's wifi and Bluetooth.

Yeah, there's the WPS button.
Yeah, there's the WPS button.

Okay, that makes sense.
Okay, that makes sense.

Okay, yeah sure, that can go in the front, why not?
Okay, yeah sure, that can go in the front, why not?

Oh, that actually looks pretty cool.
Oh, that actually looks pretty cool.

Not bad.
Not bad.

And it turns out,
And it turns out,

that the remote is actually for the,
that the remote is actually for the,

oh wait, oh!
oh wait, oh!

for the, oh for that.
for the, oh for that.

Oh, okay.
Oh, okay.

Wow, it's all RGB.
Wow, it's all RGB.

Ooh!
Ooh!

I do like the shiny lights.
I do like the shiny lights.

Ooh, this is not a good keyboard.
Ooh, this is not a good keyboard.

In case you were wondering,
In case you were wondering,

but I'm getting,
but I'm getting,

so I dipped to 30 there, felt it.
so I dipped to 30 there, felt it.

About 60 FPS.
About 60 FPS.

I mean, it's,
I mean, it's,

not the greatest gaming experience.
not the greatest gaming experience.

Though in fairness, TecDale
Though in fairness, TecDale

doesn't advertise this as a gaming PC,
doesn't advertise this as a gaming PC,

even though clearly that's their intent.
even though clearly that's their intent.

And they do have a history of selling gaming PCs
And they do have a history of selling gaming PCs

that are in the thousand dollars range
that are in the thousand dollars range

and still use a GT 1030, meaning that,
and still use a GT 1030, meaning that,

the gaming experience isn't going to be much better.
the gaming experience isn't going to be much better.

However, yet again, it's not technically a terrible price.
However, yet again, it's not technically a terrible price.

If you take into account things like,
If you take into account things like,

the legit copy of Windows, the ease of setup,
the legit copy of Windows, the ease of setup,

and the warranty through whatever platform
and the warranty through whatever platform

you purchased it on.
you purchased it on.

This one would even be able to play some games
This one would even be able to play some games

at low to medium settings,
at low to medium settings,

without too much hassle.
without too much hassle.

A fact that TecDale has included in the description
A fact that TecDale has included in the description

without too much hyperbole.
without too much hyperbole.

And because both of the machines we looked at,
And because both of the machines we looked at,

are using industry standard,
are using industry standard,

or at the very least Dell standard parts,
or at the very least Dell standard parts,

either of them can be maintained,
either of them can be maintained,

or upgraded with better GPUs down the line,
or upgraded with better GPUs down the line,

turning them into,
turning them into,

surprisingly competent little gaming boxes.
surprisingly competent little gaming boxes.

It's no wonder these things are so popular.
It's no wonder these things are so popular.

But we still haven't answered the biggest question.
But we still haven't answered the biggest question.

Where are these things all coming from?
Where are these things all coming from?

China?
China?

India?
India?

No, Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
No, Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

That's right.
That's right.

Both, advanced SkyTech Global, maker of the Treasure Box
Both, advanced SkyTech Global, maker of the Treasure Box

and TecDale are headquartered
and TecDale are headquartered

within 20 minutes of each other,
within 20 minutes of each other,

and a little bit farther down the street,
and a little bit farther down the street,

you'll find HiTech Bay,
you'll find HiTech Bay,

yet another glam furbisher as we've started calling them.
yet another glam furbisher as we've started calling them.

We can't be a hundred percent sure,
We can't be a hundred percent sure,

why there's such a high concentration
why there's such a high concentration

of these companies in that area
of these companies in that area

but we do have a couple of guesses.
but we do have a couple of guesses.

First up, is that Toronto and its surrounding suburbs,
First up, is that Toronto and its surrounding suburbs,

is the business capital of Canada.
is the business capital of Canada.

So the regular supply of machines like this
So the regular supply of machines like this

likely greatly outstrips the local demand,
likely greatly outstrips the local demand,

meaning that they can easily export them to other regions.
meaning that they can easily export them to other regions.

Second, is that Markum in particular,
Second, is that Markum in particular,

is a tech hub that contains the Canadian headquarters,
is a tech hub that contains the Canadian headquarters,

of countless big names like Asus, AMD,
of countless big names like Asus, AMD,

and oh also our friends over at Infinite Cables.
and oh also our friends over at Infinite Cables.

Finally, one of the defining characteristics
Finally, one of the defining characteristics

of the PC industry is the shameless copying
of the PC industry is the shameless copying

that takes place between competitors.
that takes place between competitors.

So my best guess then is that
So my best guess then is that

word about how effective a quick coat of paint
word about how effective a quick coat of paint

or sticker as it were,
or sticker as it were,

got out pretty quickly leading
got out pretty quickly leading

to almost immediate copycat-ism.
to almost immediate copycat-ism.

And given a little bit more time,
And given a little bit more time,

I'm sure many more of these companies
I'm sure many more of these companies

are going to be popping up
are going to be popping up

near business hubs around the world.
near business hubs around the world.

As an advocate for keeping e-waste out of landfills.
As an advocate for keeping e-waste out of landfills.

I'm actually pretty happy
I'm actually pretty happy

to see these machines finding their ways to new homes.
to see these machines finding their ways to new homes.

And, I also feel like it's worth
And, I also feel like it's worth

giving a shout out to Microsoft's role in all of this.
giving a shout out to Microsoft's role in all of this.

Every one of these companies claims
Every one of these companies claims

some form of legitimacy by being part
some form of legitimacy by being part

of the Microsoft authorized refurbisher program.
of the Microsoft authorized refurbisher program.

SkyTech and Hitech Bay are both listed
SkyTech and Hitech Bay are both listed

on Microsoft's website.
on Microsoft's website.

And TecDale, we think is probably purchasing
And TecDale, we think is probably purchasing

these licenses from a Microsoft authorized
these licenses from a Microsoft authorized

refurbisher member, which makes them legit.
refurbisher member, which makes them legit.

Now, none of that means that
Now, none of that means that

these guys won't take your money and run,
these guys won't take your money and run,

when it comes warranty time.
when it comes warranty time.

But overall, it seems like,
But overall, it seems like,

there's a fair number of happy customers out there.
there's a fair number of happy customers out there.

And like I said before, I think that's a really good thing.
And like I said before, I think that's a really good thing.

To be clear, I don't think that Microsoft
To be clear, I don't think that Microsoft

is providing cheap Windows 10 licenses to these guys
is providing cheap Windows 10 licenses to these guys

out of the goodness of their hearts.
out of the goodness of their hearts.

Some money is probably better
Some money is probably better

than the no money that they'd be making,
than the no money that they'd be making,

if refurbishers did what they used to do
if refurbishers did what they used to do

and simply pirated windows.
and simply pirated windows.

But legit Windows adds peace of mind for would be buyers
But legit Windows adds peace of mind for would be buyers

keeping these things out of the landfills.
keeping these things out of the landfills.

And honestly, I doubt this program
And honestly, I doubt this program

really moves the needle from Microsoft
really moves the needle from Microsoft

compared to the work it takes to maintain.
compared to the work it takes to maintain.

So I'm glad they're doing it.
So I'm glad they're doing it.

The question remains though,
The question remains though,

should you buy one?
should you buy one?

Well, this is Linus Tech Tips.
Well, this is Linus Tech Tips.

So obviously our first choice would be
So obviously our first choice would be

to cobble something together ourselves
to cobble something together ourselves

from handpicked used parts.
from handpicked used parts.

But if you need a very simple PC
But if you need a very simple PC

that requires no knowledge to set up or build,
that requires no knowledge to set up or build,

and you don't have much of a budget,
and you don't have much of a budget,

and maybe you need some semblance of a warranty,
and maybe you need some semblance of a warranty,

this could be a good choice.
this could be a good choice.

I would at least consider the extra hundred bucks
I would at least consider the extra hundred bucks

for something brand new,
for something brand new,

like this unit from HP,
like this unit from HP,

even if it's just to ensure
even if it's just to ensure

that I'll have support for future Windows updates.
that I'll have support for future Windows updates.

But Windows 10, still got a lot of life left in it.
But Windows 10, still got a lot of life left in it.

And in this price range, an extra a hundred dollars
And in this price range, an extra a hundred dollars

is a lot of money that could have been used
is a lot of money that could have been used

for a GPU upgrade.
for a GPU upgrade.

I was expecting to dunk on these things
I was expecting to dunk on these things

for the somewhat misleading marketing,
for the somewhat misleading marketing,

and,
and,

general cringiness of them.
general cringiness of them.

But given that they've basically just commercialized what
But given that they've basically just commercialized what

we've been advocating for for years
we've been advocating for for years

I guess I can't go too hard on them.
I guess I can't go too hard on them.

At least not as hard as I go.
At least not as hard as I go.

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