hello in this episode i want to ask : who  was the god that jesus and his followers  
hello in this episode i want to ask : who  was the god that jesus and his followers  

worshipped ? jesus said allah not deus , deus  being the roman western name for the deity .
worshipped ? jesus said allah not deus , deus  being the roman western name for the deity .

we have today the aramaic gospels these are  known as the pashita (an aramaic translation  
we have today the aramaic gospels these are  known as the pashita (an aramaic translation  

of the new testament) and in those gospels they  present jesus as praying to and praising the god  
of the new testament) and in those gospels they  present jesus as praying to and praising the god  

whom he worshipped naming him allah or aloha the  eastern and western vocalizations of the aramaic .
whom he worshipped naming him allah or aloha the  eastern and western vocalizations of the aramaic .

aramaic is a language so close in structure and  vocabulary and sensibility to the quranic arabic  
aramaic is a language so close in structure and  vocabulary and sensibility to the quranic arabic  

that our viewers of mel gibson's snuff movie  the passion of the christ which came up some  
that our viewers of mel gibson's snuff movie  the passion of the christ which came up some  

years ago , could follow much of the dialogue  and crusaders in every southern multiplex  
years ago , could follow much of the dialogue  and crusaders in every southern multiplex  

doubtless wondered about that . so jesus is  portrayed in the earliest gospels in the  
doubtless wondered about that . so jesus is  portrayed in the earliest gospels in the  

new testament in greek in the morning it  says in mark : while it was still very dark  
new testament in greek in the morning it  says in mark : while it was still very dark  

jesus got up and went out to deserted place and  there he prayed to god . so here is a typical jew  
jesus got up and went out to deserted place and  there he prayed to god . so here is a typical jew  

doing what they do . jesus surrendered to  his lord and his words whether or not they are  
doing what they do . jesus surrendered to  his lord and his words whether or not they are  

authentically preserved in the gospels which is  much debated indicate perfect slavehood to el  
authentically preserved in the gospels which is  much debated indicate perfect slavehood to el  

elohim in hebrew , allah in aramaic , allah in syriac . allah the true name of the one god of abraham .
elohim in hebrew , allah in aramaic , allah in syriac . allah the true name of the one god of abraham .

after the end of his ministry we read in  the bible jesus followers continue to worship  
after the end of his ministry we read in  the bible jesus followers continue to worship  

the jewish god in congregation at the temple as  it says in acts chapter 3 verse 1 : one day philip  
the jewish god in congregation at the temple as  it says in acts chapter 3 verse 1 : one day philip  

and john were going up to the temple at the hour  of prayer at three o'clock in the afternoon . so  
and john were going up to the temple at the hour  of prayer at three o'clock in the afternoon . so  

this is after jesus ascension into heaven now  the hour of prayer at three in the afternoon is  
this is after jesus ascension into heaven now  the hour of prayer at three in the afternoon is  

not like in the anglican church where you have  like you go along you just have some prayers  
not like in the anglican church where you have  like you go along you just have some prayers  

this is the arab sacrifice as well so the jewish  system with its sacrifices detailed leviticus  
this is the arab sacrifice as well so the jewish  system with its sacrifices detailed leviticus  

and the jewish understanding of god is still  very much adhered to by the chief disciples of  
and the jewish understanding of god is still  very much adhered to by the chief disciples of  

jesus peter and john in this case . so like jesus  they continue to worship the god of the prophets
jesus peter and john in this case . so like jesus  they continue to worship the god of the prophets

there's a very high-profile famous  roman catholic priest hans kung  
there's a very high-profile famous  roman catholic priest hans kung  

is a very distinguished catholic theologian  and he wrote a while ago that this  
is a very distinguished catholic theologian  and he wrote a while ago that this  

community , this group of people was the original  jewish community of the first disciples of jesus  
community , this group of people was the original  jewish community of the first disciples of jesus  

the original jerusalem community and  the communities east of jerusalem  
the original jerusalem community and  the communities east of jerusalem  

in other words , the very first paradigm  of christianity before the shift to the greek  
in other words , the very first paradigm  of christianity before the shift to the greek  

hellenistic paradigm . that was a quote from  hans kung . so explaining that basically  
hellenistic paradigm . that was a quote from  hans kung . so explaining that basically  

the earliest christianity wasn't christianity it  was judaism . jesus didn't found a new religion the  
the earliest christianity wasn't christianity it  was judaism . jesus didn't found a new religion the  

earliest disciples after his ascension  also continued to be observant jews .
earliest disciples after his ascension  also continued to be observant jews .

it was only later partly or mainly to  do with the theologizing of the hellenistic  
it was only later partly or mainly to  do with the theologizing of the hellenistic  

greek jew paul of tarsus that we  find this shift paradigm shift to a quite  
greek jew paul of tarsus that we  find this shift paradigm shift to a quite  

a different understanding where you have a savior  cult , where the messiah becomes a savior figure  
a different understanding where you have a savior  cult , where the messiah becomes a savior figure  

rather than god himself is the center of the faith . and kung knows that primal christianity  
rather than god himself is the center of the faith . and kung knows that primal christianity  

or judaism contains the theology of judaism and  islam . and obliquely he proposes this as a basis  
or judaism contains the theology of judaism and  islam . and obliquely he proposes this as a basis  

for reconciliation . so it's fascinating that  such a senior roman catholic theologian should  
for reconciliation . so it's fascinating that  such a senior roman catholic theologian should  

see that and also propose this as a way of  bringing together the faith in a common word . 
see that and also propose this as a way of  bringing together the faith in a common word . 

and that very term is found in the quran  as well in a famous verse which says :
and that very term is found in the quran  as well in a famous verse which says :

say o people of the scripture . now that's of  course the jews and the christians come  
say o people of the scripture . now that's of  course the jews and the christians come  

to a common word between us and you that we shall  worship none but god and that we shall describe no  
to a common word between us and you that we shall  worship none but god and that we shall describe no  

partner to him and that none of us shall take  others for lords besides god and if they turn  
partner to him and that none of us shall take  others for lords besides god and if they turn  

away then say bear witness that we are we are they  who have surrendered unto him that's al imran 3:64.  
away then say bear witness that we are we are they  who have surrendered unto him that's al imran 3:64.  

it's interesting the bit there the answer is that  we are of those who have surrendered unto him  
it's interesting the bit there the answer is that  we are of those who have surrendered unto him  

in some translations , english translation of the  quran it says that : we are muslims . but actually  
in some translations , english translation of the  quran it says that : we are muslims . but actually  

the term means that people have surrendered to  their lord as jesus did and as peter and john are  
the term means that people have surrendered to  their lord as jesus did and as peter and john are  

shown as doing in the new testament . so  i think that's a very interesting  
shown as doing in the new testament . so  i think that's a very interesting  

story that jesus and his disciples in the aramaic  gospel said allah they didn't say deus they were  
story that jesus and his disciples in the aramaic  gospel said allah they didn't say deus they were  

not roman , they were jews and jewish theology  and islamic theology is essentially the same  
not roman , they were jews and jewish theology  and islamic theology is essentially the same  

apart from that and quite different from that  is developed christian theology which believes  
apart from that and quite different from that  is developed christian theology which believes  

obviously that the father is fully god , the son  is fully god , the holy spirit is fully god , three .  
obviously that the father is fully god , the son  is fully god , the holy spirit is fully god , three .  

three persons each of which is fully god , and then  with the rider just added on . oh but there's one  
three persons each of which is fully god , and then  with the rider just added on . oh but there's one  

god now make of that what you will . i call that   polytheistic monotheism it's literally an oxymoron  
god now make of that what you will . i call that   polytheistic monotheism it's literally an oxymoron  

it's like saying: oh look at that round square . or : look at the squareness of that circle .
it's like saying: oh look at that round square . or : look at the squareness of that circle .

yeah it doesn't make any sense but anyway . so  we have this kind of oxymoron but the
yeah it doesn't make any sense but anyway . so  we have this kind of oxymoron but the

unoxymoronic , the unincoherent jewish and islamic  conception of god stresses the unity of god  
unoxymoronic , the unincoherent jewish and islamic  conception of god stresses the unity of god  

the oneness and unity of god is clearly attested  to by jesus in the earliest gospels obviously  
the oneness and unity of god is clearly attested  to by jesus in the earliest gospels obviously  

in the quran and it is the faith that they followed according even you find indications  
in the quran and it is the faith that they followed according even you find indications  

of that in the christian bible today . so i  hope you found that of interest . until next time
of that in the christian bible today . so i  hope you found that of interest . until next time