Walk with Moojibaba (with subtitles)
Walk with Moojibaba (with subtitles)

How to Overcome Mind Attacks 15 April 2020
How to Overcome Mind Attacks 15 April 2020

[Mooji] You say you had a few mind attacks.
[Mooji] You say you had a few mind attacks.

[Questioner] Yes. At the end of my holiday.
[Questioner] Yes. At the end of my holiday.

[Mooji] Yes. But I want to tell you this,
[Mooji] Yes. But I want to tell you this,

when mind attacks come, you should regard them
when mind attacks come, you should regard them

as really great opportunities to check in with something.
as really great opportunities to check in with something.

Because first of all, who or what is the mind attacking?
Because first of all, who or what is the mind attacking?

It is very important.
It is very important.

Because the mind really, can only attack
Because the mind really, can only attack

the idea you have of yourself.
the idea you have of yourself.

It can only attack your person, or your ego, or self image.
It can only attack your person, or your ego, or self image.

[M.] It is all the same thing. [Q.] Yes.
[M.] It is all the same thing. [Q.] Yes.

[Mooji] It cannot attack the pure consciousness.
[Mooji] It cannot attack the pure consciousness.

It is just another phenomenon that comes,
It is just another phenomenon that comes,

the mind, the person, the world, all our feelings.
the mind, the person, the world, all our feelings.

It is all coming inside the consciousness,
It is all coming inside the consciousness,

but consciousness is not disturbed.
but consciousness is not disturbed.

It is like space. Space is here.
It is like space. Space is here.

However many things you plant in space,
However many things you plant in space,

space doesn't move over for you to put the things in.
space doesn't move over for you to put the things in.

The space is here.
The space is here.

And your Self is that. The consciousness is like that.
And your Self is that. The consciousness is like that.

So when we have mind attacks, and so many people speak about it,
So when we have mind attacks, and so many people speak about it,

it is because the mind is attacking who you think you are.
it is because the mind is attacking who you think you are.

Otherwise you would not be upset.
Otherwise you would not be upset.

If the mind is attacking somebody else you don't worry about it.
If the mind is attacking somebody else you don't worry about it.

If the mind is attacking you, 'Oh no!'
If the mind is attacking you, 'Oh no!'

What is the attack made of?
What is the attack made of?

The attacks, generally, are all about ... They are personal.
The attacks, generally, are all about ... They are personal.

[Q.] Yes, it was very personal. [M.] Yes.
[Q.] Yes, it was very personal. [M.] Yes.

[Q.] But I knew at the same time,
[Q.] But I knew at the same time,

it is only because I am holding this loyalty to a personal identity
it is only because I am holding this loyalty to a personal identity

that it is able to get me on these things.
that it is able to get me on these things.

And so, sometimes I was able to see that,
And so, sometimes I was able to see that,

but sometimes, I kept getting caught up in it,
but sometimes, I kept getting caught up in it,

and identifying with it again.
and identifying with it again.

And the strangest thing was,
And the strangest thing was,

sometimes, even in the strongest feelings of the attack,
sometimes, even in the strongest feelings of the attack,

I could feel the sense of the bliss of my own presence, at the same time,
I could feel the sense of the bliss of my own presence, at the same time,

not as a pendulum going in and out of it,
not as a pendulum going in and out of it,

but simultaneously, at the same time.
but simultaneously, at the same time.

[M.] Yes. [Q.] But then, again I would be caught up.
[M.] Yes. [Q.] But then, again I would be caught up.

[Mooji] This is what is experienced by every sincere seeker of Truth.
[Mooji] This is what is experienced by every sincere seeker of Truth.

Once you have discovered that you are not merely the person,
Once you have discovered that you are not merely the person,

but the greater consciousness in which the person appears and disappears,
but the greater consciousness in which the person appears and disappears,

once you know that, something changes inside your being.
once you know that, something changes inside your being.

The sense of presence grows more strong, and that is why you can say that,
The sense of presence grows more strong, and that is why you can say that,

even in the strongest pulsation of the mind,
even in the strongest pulsation of the mind,

it was simultaneously there, the presence was there,
it was simultaneously there, the presence was there,

but somehow attention keeps jerking into the activity of the mind.
but somehow attention keeps jerking into the activity of the mind.

[Q.] That is it. [M.] But you must really ...
[Q.] That is it. [M.] But you must really ...

[Mooji] The first thing I wanted to say today is that,
[Mooji] The first thing I wanted to say today is that,

it is important to really be observing this with some detachment.
it is important to really be observing this with some detachment.

And don't identify with the person.
And don't identify with the person.

Why? Because the person, and the noise around the person, are observable.
Why? Because the person, and the noise around the person, are observable.

By this you should recognise that this is something phenomenal,
By this you should recognise that this is something phenomenal,

this is something being watched.
this is something being watched.

And that should begin to take the sting out, to remove the poison.
And that should begin to take the sting out, to remove the poison.

The poison is that, when you strongly identify with something,
The poison is that, when you strongly identify with something,

you feel it much, much more heavy, more strong.
you feel it much, much more heavy, more strong.

You see?
You see?

This is a very important part of your spiritual training,
This is a very important part of your spiritual training,

that you keep being reminded, 'But I am observing this'.
that you keep being reminded, 'But I am observing this'.

Even when the mind is pulling,
Even when the mind is pulling,

and you feel very strongly identified,
and you feel very strongly identified,

as you keep being reminded,
as you keep being reminded,

I am saying, not just remembering, but being reminded,
I am saying, not just remembering, but being reminded,

because the more you affirm through experience,
because the more you affirm through experience,

that wait, you are observing something,
that wait, you are observing something,

the distance between the activity,
the distance between the activity,

and the observing presence is more open.
and the observing presence is more open.

And you will begin to be reminded spontaneously,
And you will begin to be reminded spontaneously,

from that awareness part, that you are watching this.
from that awareness part, that you are watching this.

It gets stronger and stronger.
It gets stronger and stronger.

And that needs to happen, because when it gets very, very mature,
And that needs to happen, because when it gets very, very mature,

you will find that the mind attacks will weaken,
you will find that the mind attacks will weaken,

and eventually they cease, because that has to happen.
and eventually they cease, because that has to happen.

As long as those attacks happen, and they have a virility,
As long as those attacks happen, and they have a virility,

they have a meaning, they have an impact,
they have a meaning, they have an impact,

it indicates that the personal presence is still active,
it indicates that the personal presence is still active,

because the person and the mind-stuff, they go together.
because the person and the mind-stuff, they go together.

When you observe, you are observing with some detachment,
When you observe, you are observing with some detachment,

and in that place of detachment
and in that place of detachment

the presence is more there.
the presence is more there.

When you are aware of presence,
When you are aware of presence,

when you are back in your presence,
when you are back in your presence,

then those effects of the mind will feel more distant.
then those effects of the mind will feel more distant.

It is like you are coming out of a storm. The storm is passing.
It is like you are coming out of a storm. The storm is passing.

But we are not doing this to escape from the storm.
But we are not doing this to escape from the storm.

We are using the storm to recognise our own natural stillness,
We are using the storm to recognise our own natural stillness,

rather than to stop suffering the storm, 'Oh, oh, please ...'
rather than to stop suffering the storm, 'Oh, oh, please ...'

As long as you are identified
As long as you are identified

with the one who is in the storm,
with the one who is in the storm,

as long as that keeps happening,
as long as that keeps happening,

then you just want to stop the storm.
then you just want to stop the storm.

But I am saying, use the storm. When you use the storm,
But I am saying, use the storm. When you use the storm,

it means that you are using it to check in,
it means that you are using it to check in,

'Where is my true position?
'Where is my true position?

Am I the person,
Am I the person,

or that which is earlier than the person, that observes the person?'
or that which is earlier than the person, that observes the person?'

That is really the crucial work that you must stay at,
That is really the crucial work that you must stay at,

otherwise this sense that people say,
otherwise this sense that people say,

'Oh, but my mind keeps doing ... '
'Oh, but my mind keeps doing ... '

I say, no! You should not complain about the mind.
I say, no! You should not complain about the mind.

You should use the mind as a mirror to see where your true place is.
You should use the mind as a mirror to see where your true place is.

You are the one ... You are not the ...
You are the one ... You are not the ...

You are the one looking. You are not the one looked at.
You are the one looking. You are not the one looked at.

In fact, your Self, you cannot really see,
In fact, your Self, you cannot really see,

because it's not a form or shape. You can only be That.
because it's not a form or shape. You can only be That.

You are already That. That's where you are looking from.
You are already That. That's where you are looking from.

This is why I give all this kind of advice and encouragement,
This is why I give all this kind of advice and encouragement,

to confirm you cannot create the Self, or improve it.
to confirm you cannot create the Self, or improve it.

You can only recognise, 'But this is my True place!'
You can only recognise, 'But this is my True place!'

And it is always the place of the constant. It is always present.
And it is always the place of the constant. It is always present.

The person comes and goes.
The person comes and goes.

The person's troubles come and go. They come and go together.
The person's troubles come and go. They come and go together.

It is very important to stay with that.
It is very important to stay with that.

It is the mind itself that is complaining about the mind.
It is the mind itself that is complaining about the mind.

When we say, 'I want it to stop.
When we say, 'I want it to stop.

Please take it away. I don't want to experience.'
Please take it away. I don't want to experience.'

This one who is saying that should not be trusted.
This one who is saying that should not be trusted.

That is a part of the ego, and identity also.
That is a part of the ego, and identity also.

[Q.] I kind of almost knew that at the time.
[Q.] I kind of almost knew that at the time.

I wasn't praying for it to be taken,
I wasn't praying for it to be taken,

but I was just really hoping to be able to put that distance
but I was just really hoping to be able to put that distance

between my true Self and this identity
between my true Self and this identity

that was seeming to be completely taking over the whole thing.
that was seeming to be completely taking over the whole thing.

[Mooji] Yes. That will grow, both in the sense of distancing, at first,
[Mooji] Yes. That will grow, both in the sense of distancing, at first,

and the distancing is related to the identity.
and the distancing is related to the identity.

The less identity, the more distance.
The less identity, the more distance.

Eventually, there won't even be a question of distance,
Eventually, there won't even be a question of distance,

because the Self is not one place and the mind is some place else.
because the Self is not one place and the mind is some place else.

The Self is everything!
The Self is everything!

So, the talk of distance and separation
So, the talk of distance and separation

is in the early stages, when we still have the sense of our self
is in the early stages, when we still have the sense of our self

as being an entity witnessing the mind.
as being an entity witnessing the mind.

But we are actually watching
But we are actually watching

from the pure formless spaciousness of awareness.
from the pure formless spaciousness of awareness.

That will grow much much more,
That will grow much much more,

but right now, the important thing to remember is that,
but right now, the important thing to remember is that,

the one who is being attacked is our self image.
the one who is being attacked is our self image.

It is the one with the lineage,
It is the one with the lineage,

the one who is, I would say ...
the one who is, I would say ...

The reference for the self is our person, and our body,
The reference for the self is our person, and our body,

and stuff like that.
and stuff like that.

Whereas, awareness is beyond gender.
Whereas, awareness is beyond gender.

It is beyond race. It is beyond all these things.
It is beyond race. It is beyond all these things.

It is formless. It is pure!
It is formless. It is pure!

Everything exists in it, but it is untouched by them, at the same time.
Everything exists in it, but it is untouched by them, at the same time.

It gives life to them, but it is also beyond them.
It gives life to them, but it is also beyond them.

It is in them and it is beyond them.
It is in them and it is beyond them.

[Q.] Yes. [Mooji] OK. Good to talk to you today about that.
[Q.] Yes. [Mooji] OK. Good to talk to you today about that.

[Q.] Thank you. I'm very glad I saw you here.
[Q.] Thank you. I'm very glad I saw you here.

[Mooji] OK, darling. See you soon.
[Mooji] OK, darling. See you soon.

[Q.] See you. [Mooji] All right. OK.
[Q.] See you. [Mooji] All right. OK.

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