>> Narrator: Live from Austin, Texas, it's theCUBE,
>> Narrator: Live from Austin, Texas, it's theCUBE,

covering KubeCon and CloudNativeCon 2017,
covering KubeCon and CloudNativeCon 2017,

brought to you by Red Hat, the Linux Foundation,
brought to you by Red Hat, the Linux Foundation,

and theCUBE's ecosystem partners.
and theCUBE's ecosystem partners.

>> Okay, welcome back, everyone.
>> Okay, welcome back, everyone.

This is theCUBE's exclusive coverage live here
This is theCUBE's exclusive coverage live here

in Austin, Texas for the CNCF's two conferences,
in Austin, Texas for the CNCF's two conferences,

CloudNativeCon, which was yesterday, and two days,
CloudNativeCon, which was yesterday, and two days,

today and tomorrow, KubeCon for Kubernetes' conference.
today and tomorrow, KubeCon for Kubernetes' conference.

This is theCUBE, of course, from SiliconANGLE Media.
This is theCUBE, of course, from SiliconANGLE Media.

I'm John Furrier with my cohost, Stu Miniman.
I'm John Furrier with my cohost, Stu Miniman.

Our next guest, Dan Kohn, is the executive director
Our next guest, Dan Kohn, is the executive director

of the CNCF, the man who put it all together.
of the CNCF, the man who put it all together.

Congratulations. Welcome back to theCUBE.
Congratulations. Welcome back to theCUBE.

Good to see you.
Good to see you.

>> Oh, absolutely. Thrilled to have you guys back here again.
>> Oh, absolutely. Thrilled to have you guys back here again.

>> So you kind of doing a victory lap here now,
>> So you kind of doing a victory lap here now,

high fiving each other?
high fiving each other?

>> Dan: Great hugs. >> John: Great event.
>> Dan: Great hugs. >> John: Great event.

>> Laughing: I'm glad it's a good event,
>> Laughing: I'm glad it's a good event,

and I am hearing fantastic feedback
and I am hearing fantastic feedback

that folks are thrilled to be here.
that folks are thrilled to be here.

But we sort of describe this moment
But we sort of describe this moment

for the organization and the community
for the organization and the community

as being the end of the beginning.
as being the end of the beginning.

>> John: Yeah.
>> John: Yeah.

>> Where we now have all the major cloud vendors,
>> Where we now have all the major cloud vendors,

all of the biggest enterprise software companies.
all of the biggest enterprise software companies.

We have a core group of 14 projects anchored by Kubernetes,
We have a core group of 14 projects anchored by Kubernetes,

but tons and tons of work in front of us.
but tons and tons of work in front of us.

>> And tons of success, so I'm just
>> And tons of success, so I'm just

going to read a couple of highlights from yesterday.
going to read a couple of highlights from yesterday.

There's a lot today. Baidu joins the CNCF,
There's a lot today. Baidu joins the CNCF,

a lot of scaling production application examples,
a lot of scaling production application examples,

31 new silver end-user members joined,
31 new silver end-user members joined,

Alibaba Cloud update to platinum,
Alibaba Cloud update to platinum,

CoreDNS 1.0, Containerd, Fluentd, Jaeger, tons of news.
CoreDNS 1.0, Containerd, Fluentd, Jaeger, tons of news.

Obviously, we've been pumping out the coverage.
Obviously, we've been pumping out the coverage.

Today, again, more and more great goodness.
Today, again, more and more great goodness.

But really interesting is that you guys
But really interesting is that you guys

have put a frame around this community
have put a frame around this community

to allow it to grow, to fertilize the open source vibe,
to allow it to grow, to fertilize the open source vibe,

which is all cloud but yet scaled.
which is all cloud but yet scaled.

And you put up a slide I want to get your reaction to
And you put up a slide I want to get your reaction to

that I thought was compelling yesterday during your keynote.
that I thought was compelling yesterday during your keynote.

It was the flywheel, circle, and it said
It was the flywheel, circle, and it said

projects, products, profit.
projects, products, profit.

>> Dan: Right.
>> Dan: Right.

>> And not that you're promoting profit,
>> And not that you're promoting profit,

but you're not hiding the ball, either,
but you're not hiding the ball, either,

saying, hey, you know what?
saying, hey, you know what?

There's a lot of commercial interest in cloud, obviously.
There's a lot of commercial interest in cloud, obviously.

We saw AWS' success last week.
We saw AWS' success last week.

And that is if you create good products
And that is if you create good products

in this community framework, there's profit to be had.
in this community framework, there's profit to be had.

>> Right. So first of all, I should admit
>> Right. So first of all, I should admit

to plagiarizing that slide from Linux Foundation
to plagiarizing that slide from Linux Foundation

Executive Director Jim Zemlin.
Executive Director Jim Zemlin.

>> And similarly, I think you can look at a lot of aspects...
>> And similarly, I think you can look at a lot of aspects...

>> It's an open source feature.
>> It's an open source feature.

>> Dan: Yes. >> Free for you to use.
>> Dan: Yes. >> Free for you to use.

>> John: Right.
>> John: Right.

>> Similarly, I think there's a lot of ways
>> Similarly, I think there's a lot of ways

in which Kubernetes is trying to build
in which Kubernetes is trying to build

on the success of Linux.
on the success of Linux.

And Jim even describes Kubernetes as the Linux of the cloud.
And Jim even describes Kubernetes as the Linux of the cloud.

>> John: Yeah. >> Stu: Yeah.
>> John: Yeah. >> Stu: Yeah.

>> John: That's a good point.
>> John: That's a good point.

>> Dan, one of the things we've been talking
>> Dan, one of the things we've been talking

around Kubernetes is you talk about scale.
around Kubernetes is you talk about scale.

>> Dan: Right.
>> Dan: Right.

>> Talk about scale of the CNCF. You have 4 to 14 projects.
>> Talk about scale of the CNCF. You have 4 to 14 projects.

People are a little worried when you get
People are a little worried when you get

all the vendors around here and there's all these projects.
all the vendors around here and there's all these projects.

It's a foundation thing, it's going to go off the rails.
It's a foundation thing, it's going to go off the rails.

>> Dan: Yeah.
>> Dan: Yeah.

>> Customers aren't going to have a voice.
>> Customers aren't going to have a voice.

How do we make sure we kind of learn from some of the things
How do we make sure we kind of learn from some of the things

that other projects have had challenges with in the past?
that other projects have had challenges with in the past?

>> And I think that's our advantage,
>> And I think that's our advantage,

which is the great thing about coming later
which is the great thing about coming later

than some of the other foundations,
than some of the other foundations,

is we can look at where they had successes
is we can look at where they had successes

and where they had issues.
and where they had issues.

And our aspiration for CNCF is to get to go make
And our aspiration for CNCF is to get to go make

entirely new mistakes rather than replicating
entirely new mistakes rather than replicating

some of the issues that have come before.
some of the issues that have come before.

And so really from the beginning of CNCF,
And so really from the beginning of CNCF,

we had a somewhat unusual and frankly
we had a somewhat unusual and frankly

a little bit cumbersome charter
a little bit cumbersome charter

where I describe it at times as a three-ring circus.
where I describe it at times as a three-ring circus.

We have a governing board made up of the vendors
We have a governing board made up of the vendors

that are putting a lot of money into the community,
that are putting a lot of money into the community,

but they don't get to run the projects
but they don't get to run the projects

and they don't even get to pick the projects.
and they don't even get to pick the projects.

Instead, they appoint six of the nine members
Instead, they appoint six of the nine members

of an independent technical oversight committee,
of an independent technical oversight committee,

kind of like the Supreme Court.
kind of like the Supreme Court.

And then we have a third group in the end-user community
And then we have a third group in the end-user community

that I'm thrilled to say is now up to 28 members in it.
that I'm thrilled to say is now up to 28 members in it.

They appoint one of those folks.
They appoint one of those folks.

We finally got that working.
We finally got that working.

We have Sam Lambert, the director
We have Sam Lambert, the director

of infrastructure at GitHub,
of infrastructure at GitHub,

who has just made a huge commitment to Kubernetes
who has just made a huge commitment to Kubernetes

and is moving all their infrastructure over into it.
and is moving all their infrastructure over into it.

Those seven appoint the last two.
Those seven appoint the last two.

And so that body, and they just had
And so that body, and they just had

their public meeting a couple hours ago.
their public meeting a couple hours ago.

They feel very strongly about their independence,
They feel very strongly about their independence,

about their reputation, that they're trying
about their reputation, that they're trying

to make very good judgments based on what
to make very good judgments based on what

they're seeing in the marketplace.
they're seeing in the marketplace.

>> That's interesting, the three-ring circle.
>> That's interesting, the three-ring circle.

I like how you put it.
I like how you put it.

But let's talk about the end-user piece
But let's talk about the end-user piece

because I think that's critical.
because I think that's critical.

One of the things we were commenting earlier
One of the things we were commenting earlier

from the Lyft folks was you have a lot of end users
from the Lyft folks was you have a lot of end users

who have built some large-scale systems
who have built some large-scale systems

out of their own sheer necessity.
out of their own sheer necessity.

>> Dan: Definitely.
>> Dan: Definitely.

>> And that is now being donated in.
>> And that is now being donated in.

We saw Kubernetes come in with,
We saw Kubernetes come in with,

you shepherded beautifully, went from Google,
you shepherded beautifully, went from Google,

but you've got Lyft donating an amazing product convoy.
but you've got Lyft donating an amazing product convoy.

>> This first convoy has a huge amount of excitement.
>> This first convoy has a huge amount of excitement.

And what was fun was, actually, on the same stage
And what was fun was, actually, on the same stage

that they contributed back in LA in September,
that they contributed back in LA in September,

Uber contributed a separate project.
Uber contributed a separate project.

Now, unlike Uber and Lyft,
Now, unlike Uber and Lyft,

the two projects are in no way competitive-
the two projects are in no way competitive-

>> John: Yeah.
>> John: Yeah.

>> Like Jaeger is really fantastic tracing one.
>> Like Jaeger is really fantastic tracing one.

But what they have in common is that
But what they have in common is that

they're companies that have had to grow
they're companies that have had to grow

from nothing to extremely high scale
from nothing to extremely high scale

and then had problems that they solved.
and then had problems that they solved.

And they wanted to share that expertise with us.
And they wanted to share that expertise with us.

>> I want to get your thoughts on this.
>> I want to get your thoughts on this.

Because we've been speculating, on theCUBE,
Because we've been speculating, on theCUBE,

we've been kind of thinking, an editorial,
we've been kind of thinking, an editorial,

but just that this is all good business.
but just that this is all good business.

Now, that's pretty obvious, right?
Now, that's pretty obvious, right?

You're starting to see this kind of contribution,
You're starting to see this kind of contribution,

the gifts that keep on giving.
the gifts that keep on giving.

These are significant code.
These are significant code.

>> Dan: Yeah.
>> Dan: Yeah.

>> Not like, okay, let's start a little group
>> Not like, okay, let's start a little group

and huddle and build something organically.
and huddle and build something organically.

You have real goodness coming in
You have real goodness coming in

from Google, Uber, Lyft, and there's a million others.
from Google, Uber, Lyft, and there's a million others.

>> Dan: Right.
>> Dan: Right.

>> How is that changing the game?
>> How is that changing the game?

Certainly accelerating it.
Certainly accelerating it.

That's really bringing goods to the table.
That's really bringing goods to the table.

>> Right. I think the whole...
>> Right. I think the whole...

>> You have to manage it.
>> You have to manage it.

>> Well, and for what it's worth,
>> Well, and for what it's worth,

I don't actually manage the projects.
I don't actually manage the projects.

And so we do provide a set of services-
And so we do provide a set of services-

>> John: The community?
>> John: The community?

>> -to them and we help them, we market them.
>> -to them and we help them, we market them.

But one of the unusual aspects of CNCF
But one of the unusual aspects of CNCF

is that the projects do actually manage themselves.
is that the projects do actually manage themselves.

A little bit of guidance from the TOC,
A little bit of guidance from the TOC,

but we really are unusual in that sense.
but we really are unusual in that sense.

And that's one of the reasons the projects have been...
And that's one of the reasons the projects have been...

>> And what's interesting is, to connect the dots, though,
>> And what's interesting is, to connect the dots, though,

one step further, you're talking about a commercial entity
one step further, you're talking about a commercial entity

donating massive intellectual property
donating massive intellectual property

in the open for all the goodness of everyone else.
in the open for all the goodness of everyone else.

But yet that flywheel is continuing.
But yet that flywheel is continuing.

They're still using it.
They're still using it.

So it is inherently commercial dynamic.
So it is inherently commercial dynamic.

>> Right. And back to that circle,
>> Right. And back to that circle,

I think really the underlying concept
I think really the underlying concept

is that companies agree that sharing key parts
is that companies agree that sharing key parts

of their infrastructure has a huge amount
of their infrastructure has a huge amount

of value to the whole ecosystem, to each other.
of value to the whole ecosystem, to each other.

And then they're absolutely eager to compete above that.
And then they're absolutely eager to compete above that.

And so you can look at it with the public clouds
And so you can look at it with the public clouds

where we have now Amazon, Microsoft, Google,
where we have now Amazon, Microsoft, Google,

Alibaba, IBM, Oracle all at the table.
Alibaba, IBM, Oracle all at the table.

They are absolutely fierce competitors.
They are absolutely fierce competitors.

But they're saying that this specific
But they're saying that this specific

software infrastructure layer
software infrastructure layer

isn't the area that they want to compete.
isn't the area that they want to compete.

They want to compete on all the value-added services,
They want to compete on all the value-added services,

customer service, et cetera.
customer service, et cetera.

>> Dan, I wonder if you can speak to how CNCF connects
>> Dan, I wonder if you can speak to how CNCF connects

to some of the broader communities out there.
to some of the broader communities out there.

Things like Kata containers got announced
Things like Kata containers got announced

coming out of the OpenStack group.
coming out of the OpenStack group.

You've got a serverless track happening here,
You've got a serverless track happening here,

kind of extends some of where Kubernetes is going.
kind of extends some of where Kubernetes is going.

How does CNCF fit into the broader...
How does CNCF fit into the broader...

>> Sure. And it's definitely the case
>> Sure. And it's definitely the case

that all the innovation out there cannot happen in CNCF.
that all the innovation out there cannot happen in CNCF.

Most obviously, everything that we do,
Most obviously, everything that we do,

almost everything depends on Linux.
almost everything depends on Linux.

And so that's our parent organization, the Linux Foundation.
And so that's our parent organization, the Linux Foundation.

But we've had a good collaboration
But we've had a good collaboration

with Jonathan Bryce from OverStack.
with Jonathan Bryce from OverStack.

They have two booths on the floor here at the show.
They have two booths on the floor here at the show.

And we've spoken to Clear Containers and RunV,
And we've spoken to Clear Containers and RunV,

the two predecessors in the past.
the two predecessors in the past.

But the part that I'm particularly pleased with
But the part that I'm particularly pleased with

for Kata containers is that it is an OCI-compliant runtime,
for Kata containers is that it is an OCI-compliant runtime,

that's another sister organization,
that's another sister organization,

and is really designed to work well for Kubernetes.
and is really designed to work well for Kubernetes.

And then they can pitch that and let the market go decide
And then they can pitch that and let the market go decide

which container runtimes they find the most valuable.
which container runtimes they find the most valuable.

>> Obviously a lot of traction here
>> Obviously a lot of traction here

in terms of the sentiment around service meshes
in terms of the sentiment around service meshes

and pluggable lock-in textures.
and pluggable lock-in textures.

That's been very cool. But security came up.
That's been very cool. But security came up.

So I want to get your thoughts around security,
So I want to get your thoughts around security,

obviously storage and these older models
obviously storage and these older models

around how to deal with storage and networking.
around how to deal with storage and networking.

Obviously, always in the action.
Obviously, always in the action.

>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.

>> But security is top of mind for everyone.
>> But security is top of mind for everyone.

How is that being addressed?
How is that being addressed?

You know, talk is out there...
You know, talk is out there...

>> Sure. I mean our philosophy on this
>> Sure. I mean our philosophy on this

is that moving to cloud-native
is that moving to cloud-native

and particularly the continuous integration
and particularly the continuous integration

and continuous development that goes along with that
and continuous development that goes along with that

is the most important step that you can do
is the most important step that you can do

to help secure your infrastructure.
to help secure your infrastructure.

And Equifax is the example everyone always brings up.
And Equifax is the example everyone always brings up.

But there was a case where they were using known
But there was a case where they were using known

insecure software and they didn't have
insecure software and they didn't have

the processes up to place where
the processes up to place where

instead of doing quarterly updates or monthly updates,
instead of doing quarterly updates or monthly updates,

you want to be doing dozens of updates per day.
you want to be doing dozens of updates per day.

And a cloud-native infrastructure allows you to do that.
And a cloud-native infrastructure allows you to do that.

>> What's next for you?
>> What's next for you?

Because you've got great traction
Because you've got great traction

with both community response,
with both community response,

and the community has been absolutely amazing,
and the community has been absolutely amazing,

the quality of people, level has been great,
the quality of people, level has been great,

but also at the funding sponsors.
but also at the funding sponsors.

You've got a lot of people that are involved.
You've got a lot of people that are involved.

What's next? What happens next?
What's next? What happens next?

What do you envision happening?
What do you envision happening?

What's the plan, and then how do you view that evolving?
What's the plan, and then how do you view that evolving?

>> Well, I hate to fall into the buzzword implosion here,
>> Well, I hate to fall into the buzzword implosion here,

but if you go back to the crossing the chasm metaphor,
but if you go back to the crossing the chasm metaphor,

I think we're still very much
I think we're still very much

just in the early adopter phase.
just in the early adopter phase.

2018 could very well be the moment
2018 could very well be the moment

that we jump over to the early majority.
that we jump over to the early majority.

And I do feel like this whole community
And I do feel like this whole community

now has the velocity to do that
now has the velocity to do that

and that we're on track for it.
and that we're on track for it.

But as that happens, there's just far, far more people
But as that happens, there's just far, far more people

who need to be educated so they understand the projects
who need to be educated so they understand the projects

and the options and how to work with them.
and the options and how to work with them.

And then hopefully they go from just being consumers
And then hopefully they go from just being consumers

of these technologies to contributors
of these technologies to contributors

and that we can welcome them into our community
and that we can welcome them into our community

and hopefully get the advantage of their expertise as well.
and hopefully get the advantage of their expertise as well.

>> I want to get your thoughts on a comment
>> I want to get your thoughts on a comment

that Stu and I were talking about.
that Stu and I were talking about.

Stu, you and I were talking about the notion
Stu, you and I were talking about the notion

of value creation above the stack,
of value creation above the stack,

and then how Kubernetes,
and then how Kubernetes,

although some could say being commoditized,
although some could say being commoditized,

but it's also creating value because
but it's also creating value because

with that consistency of Kubernetes,
with that consistency of Kubernetes,

you can now create value.
you can now create value.

So we believe, and I want to get your reaction to this,
So we believe, and I want to get your reaction to this,

because we think a whole new ecosystem dynamic
because we think a whole new ecosystem dynamic

will emerge of a new kind of ecosystem.
will emerge of a new kind of ecosystem.

And if this new app developer
And if this new app developer

combined with software engineering,
combined with software engineering,

which is really going on, you're talking about the cloud,
which is really going on, you're talking about the cloud,

the app developers will just build in value,
the app developers will just build in value,

that value creation will be rewarded.
that value creation will be rewarded.

That's where monetization will be happening.
That's where monetization will be happening.

>> And if I could build off that...
>> And if I could build off that...

>> John: Yeah.
>> John: Yeah.

>> Dan, I loved one of your opening comments.
>> Dan, I loved one of your opening comments.

You quoted, "exciting times for boring infrastructure,
You quoted, "exciting times for boring infrastructure,

"maybe too exciting."
"maybe too exciting."

So this week we've been teasing out
So this week we've been teasing out

there's a lot of work to make that infrastructure boring.
there's a lot of work to make that infrastructure boring.

You've got everybody on this floor, the CNCF board,
You've got everybody on this floor, the CNCF board,

lots of new projects making that.
lots of new projects making that.

Where the action is and what this is going to create
Where the action is and what this is going to create

is that application monetization
is that application monetization

and the speed and agility of being able
and the speed and agility of being able

to create these cool new
to create these cool new

cloud-native applications out there.
cloud-native applications out there.

So it's interesting dynamic, spans broad
So it's interesting dynamic, spans broad

pieces of this, layers of the stack there.
pieces of this, layers of the stack there.

>> Yeah. Well, I will point out
>> Yeah. Well, I will point out

that there was an odd level of unanimity
that there was an odd level of unanimity

of just a ton of different leaders
of just a ton of different leaders

in the community, in keynotes
in the community, in keynotes

from Craig McLuckie and Chen Goldberg and others
from Craig McLuckie and Chen Goldberg and others

where they all agree that Kubernetes is not
where they all agree that Kubernetes is not

by any means the ultimate answer or the final answer.
by any means the ultimate answer or the final answer.

I think everybody now expects to see Kubernetes
I think everybody now expects to see Kubernetes

as a core aspect of the infrastructure
as a core aspect of the infrastructure

for software for the next decade or more.
for software for the next decade or more.

But there's a belief that there's a whole ton of value
But there's a belief that there's a whole ton of value

that needs to be added above it,
that needs to be added above it,

particularly to try and show for
particularly to try and show for

a regular application developer who just has a PHP app
a regular application developer who just has a PHP app

or no-GS microservices or anything else
or no-GS microservices or anything else

what's the easiest way to go from having
what's the easiest way to go from having

a piece of software and deploying it effectively.
a piece of software and deploying it effectively.

>> Dan, so it's interesting.
>> Dan, so it's interesting.

You watch the people on the outside.
You watch the people on the outside.

They're like, oh, look at Kubernetes.
They're like, oh, look at Kubernetes.

They're all holding hands and saying Kumbaya.
They're all holding hands and saying Kumbaya.

We know there's some spirited debates that happen-
We know there's some spirited debates that happen-

>> Dan: Definitely.
>> Dan: Definitely.

>> In the code, some projects that are sometimes
>> In the code, some projects that are sometimes

competing up there.
competing up there.

Why has the community come together,
Why has the community come together,

and where are some of the areas that we still need
and where are some of the areas that we still need

to work on and improve to help customers going forward?
to work on and improve to help customers going forward?

>> And again, I think they have the big advantage
>> And again, I think they have the big advantage

of having watched other communities
of having watched other communities

that didn't value community and consensus
that didn't value community and consensus

and the ability to work through their issues.
and the ability to work through their issues.

And so thankfully, we just have a ton
And so thankfully, we just have a ton

of really capable engineers
of really capable engineers

who also have some of those social or personal qualities
who also have some of those social or personal qualities

that they care about working these things out.
that they care about working these things out.

And to date, at least, I think most of those disagreements
And to date, at least, I think most of those disagreements

have been settled pretty amicably
have been settled pretty amicably

and in a positive direction.
and in a positive direction.

I think there's still huge swathes
I think there's still huge swathes

of this space that are still up in the air.
of this space that are still up in the air.

Storage is an obvious one where there's a ton
Storage is an obvious one where there's a ton

of work going on in a storage working group of CNCF.
of work going on in a storage working group of CNCF.

Serverless is another where I think everyone agrees
Serverless is another where I think everyone agrees

that the application deployment model of AWS Lambda
that the application deployment model of AWS Lambda

is really exciting and has things that people
is really exciting and has things that people

should replicate and should be brought over to Kubernetes.
should replicate and should be brought over to Kubernetes.

But how that should happen, what the software is,
But how that should happen, what the software is,

et cetera, there's still, in fact,
et cetera, there's still, in fact,

we have our first serverless track today here at KubeCon
we have our first serverless track today here at KubeCon

where several different competing approaches
where several different competing approaches

are all talking about what they'd like to do.
are all talking about what they'd like to do.

>> Awesome stuff. And you also announced some dates
>> Awesome stuff. And you also announced some dates

for next year, December 11 and 13 in Seattle.
for next year, December 11 and 13 in Seattle.

>> Dan: Yes. >> Okay.
>> Dan: Yes. >> Okay.

>> Dan: That's a year from now.
>> Dan: That's a year from now.

>> November 14 and 15 in Shanghai.
>> November 14 and 15 in Shanghai.

>> Now, you and I met in Hangzhou
>> Now, you and I met in Hangzhou

in the lobby, which was just amazing.
in the lobby, which was just amazing.

But I certainly am hoping to convince you
But I certainly am hoping to convince you

to go back to China with us.
to go back to China with us.

This will be our first event...
This will be our first event...

>> I got a three-year visa.
>> I got a three-year visa.

>> Good, yeah, that's the exactly right one.
>> Good, yeah, that's the exactly right one.

But this will be our first event in China,
But this will be our first event in China,

which I think is just a huge opportunity.
which I think is just a huge opportunity.

We now have Baidu, Tencent, Huawai,
We now have Baidu, Tencent, Huawai,

ZTE, a number of startups.
ZTE, a number of startups.

There's just so much excitement for this space
There's just so much excitement for this space

over there that we're really excited to satisfy.
over there that we're really excited to satisfy.

>> Stu: And Copenhagen in May.
>> Stu: And Copenhagen in May.

>> And that's the last one. Thank you.
>> And that's the last one. Thank you.

May 2 to 4 in Copenhagen,
May 2 to 4 in Copenhagen,

and we're really excited for the event,
and we're really excited for the event,

to bring it to Europe and the rest of the world.
to bring it to Europe and the rest of the world.

>> Okay. So you've been working like a dog,
>> Okay. So you've been working like a dog,

you've been working hard.
you've been working hard.

I've seen you in China. It's serendipitous.
I've seen you in China. It's serendipitous.

But it's not without being mentioned
But it's not without being mentioned

that this has been great effort by your team
that this has been great effort by your team

and the Linux Foundation and Jim and the whole team.
and the Linux Foundation and Jim and the whole team.

But congratulations. Are you having a pinch me moment?
But congratulations. Are you having a pinch me moment?

I know it's too early to do a victory lap.
I know it's too early to do a victory lap.

>> But you've got to be pretty excited.
>> But you've got to be pretty excited.

>> Yeah. It really has been a great thing
>> Yeah. It really has been a great thing

for the foundation that we sort of accomplished many
for the foundation that we sort of accomplished many

of our 2018 and 2019 goals this year.
of our 2018 and 2019 goals this year.

But I'm sure we're going to find plenty of stuff
But I'm sure we're going to find plenty of stuff

to do next year.
to do next year.

>> And your goal for the next 6 to 12 months,
>> And your goal for the next 6 to 12 months,

what's on your top three to-do's, continue the momentum?
what's on your top three to-do's, continue the momentum?

Share your API for...
Share your API for...

>> Yeah. What's great is that we really
>> Yeah. What's great is that we really

have plenty of members.
have plenty of members.

We'd always like to add new ones
We'd always like to add new ones

and serve the ones we have better.
and serve the ones we have better.

But right now, the focus is really
But right now, the focus is really

about providing better services to our projects.
about providing better services to our projects.

All of them feel overworked.
All of them feel overworked.

They would love help on documentation,
They would love help on documentation,

on marketing, on messaging about it,
on marketing, on messaging about it,

and some of them need help
and some of them need help

with testing development and other things.
with testing development and other things.

So that's really what we're buckling down on.
So that's really what we're buckling down on.

>> Great community are going to test them,
>> Great community are going to test them,

being here on the ground, personally present at creation.
being here on the ground, personally present at creation.

And I was standing there with J.J.
And I was standing there with J.J.

and Lew Tucker, OpenStack three years ago,
and Lew Tucker, OpenStack three years ago,

talking about Kubernetes. We were kind of ripping.
talking about Kubernetes. We were kind of ripping.

We couldn't have imagined, then, obviously,
We couldn't have imagined, then, obviously,

they bolted it on last year with your event.
they bolted it on last year with your event.

Now second year here, huge community...
Now second year here, huge community...

>> But you have 4,100 folks here,
>> But you have 4,100 folks here,

is more than the previous four events combined.
is more than the previous four events combined.

>> Yeah, awesome.
>> Yeah, awesome.

>> So it really is exciting.
>> So it really is exciting.

>> TheCUBE, always on the ground.
>> TheCUBE, always on the ground.

And sometimes the squirrel finds a nut.
And sometimes the squirrel finds a nut.

We found a cloud-native foundation,
We found a cloud-native foundation,

part of the Linux Foundation.
part of the Linux Foundation.

CNCF, Cloud-Native Compute Foundation,
CNCF, Cloud-Native Compute Foundation,

really a new, growing, and relevant community
really a new, growing, and relevant community

for cloud and a new way to do software
for cloud and a new way to do software

and reimagine the future from software engineering
and reimagine the future from software engineering

to full application development, a new way.
to full application development, a new way.

This is theCUBE's coverage, and we are here live in Austin.
This is theCUBE's coverage, and we are here live in Austin.

More live coverage after this short break.
More live coverage after this short break.

We'll be right back.
We'll be right back.

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