ANYWHERE.
♪
>> PRESIDENT BIDEN'S PUSH TO
STOP RUSSIA'S WAR IN UKRAINE
CONTINUES THIS WEEKEND WITH
HIS EMERGENCY TRIP TO EUROPE.
STAY IN POLAND. HUMID WITH US
TROOPS AND AID WORKERS. THE
PRESIDENT SAT DOWN FOR A SLICE
OF PIZZA WITH THE TROOPS
PEPPERONI AND JALAPENO. THEN
HE SPOKE TO THEM ABOUT THE
SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS MOMENT.
>> BUT YOU'RE ENGAGED AS MUCH
MORE THAN JUST WHETHER OR NOT
YOU CAN ALLEVIATE THE PAIN AND
SUFFERING OF THE PEOPLE YOU
WE'RE IN A NEW PHASE. YOUR
GENERATION WERE ACTION. POINT.
>> BEFORE THAT MISTER BIDEN
WAS IN BELGIUM MEETING WITH
THE PRESIDENT OF THE EUROPEAN
COMMISSION. THE ANNOUNCED
PLANS TO REDUCE EUROPE'S
DEPENDENCY ON RUSSIAN ENERGY.
NBC'S CHIEF WHITE HOUSE
CORRESPONDENT KRISTEN WELKER
HAS MORE FROM POLAND'S CAPITAL
WARSAW.
>> PRESIDENT BIDEN SPENDING
THE NIGHT HERE IN WARSAW,
POLAND. REALLY THE EPICENTER
OF THE REFUGEE CRISIS WHEN HE
ARRIVED HERE AT A TOWN THAT
WAS LESS THAN 50 MILES FROM
UKRAINIAN BORDER. EARLIER
TODAY, THE PRESIDENT HAD A
BRIEFING ALONG WITH THE
PRESIDENT OF POLAND ABOUT THE
REFUGEE CRISIS. HE ALSO
ADDRESSED U.S. TROOPS TODAY
TELLING THEM THAT THIS IS A
BATTLE OF DEMOCRACIES FOR SAYS
AUTOCRACIES. IT RAISED SOME
EYEBROWS AND HE SAID THIS,
THAT U.S. TROOPS ARE GOOD TO
SEE IT. MEANING UKRAINE'S
RESILIENCE. WHEN YOU'RE THERE.
THAT OF COURSE, RAISED
EYEBROWS WITH THE PRESIDENT
HAS SAID THAT U.S. TROOPS ARE
NOT GOING TO GO TO UKRAINE. SO
LATER, A WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL
CLARIFYING SAYING THE
PRESIDENT HAS BEEN CLEAR WE
ARE NOT SENDING U.S. TROOPS TO
UKRAINE AND THERE IS NO CHANGE
IN THAT POSITION. NOW THIS
VISIT TO POLAND CAPS MARATHON
DIPLOMATIC SESSION. THE
PRESIDENT BIDEN HAD IN
BRUSSELS WHEN HE ATTENDED THAT
EMERGENCY NATO SUMMIT, THE
U.S. AND NATO ALLIES
ANNOUNCING NEW SANCTIONS
AGAINST RUSSIAN LAWMAKERS AS
WELL AS 1 BILLION DOLLARS IN
HUMANITARIAN AID FOR UKRAINE.
AND TODAY THE PRESIDENT
ANNOUNCING THE U.S. WILL GIVE
EUROPE MORE NATURAL GAS, AN
ATTEMPT TO LIMIT TO THE EXTENT
TO WHICH EUROPE IS DEPENDENT
ON RUSSIA FOR ITS OIL. BUT THE
BIG QUESTION ABOUT ALL OF THIS
IS WHAT, IF ANY IMPACT WILL IT
HAVE ON THE WAR IN UKRAINE. OF
COURSE, THE U.S. AND ITS
ALLIES HAVE IMPOSED SEVERAL
ROUNDS OF SANCTIONS AGAINST
VLADIMIR PUTIN AND SO FAR HE
HAS BEEN UNDETERRED. PRESIDENT
ZELENSKY OF UKRAINE HAS
PLEADED WITH THE U.S. AND
EUROPE. FOR MORE HELP FOR AIR
SUPPORT FOR A NO-FLY ZONE FOR
POLISH MEIGS. AND SO FAR THOSE
REQUESTS HAVE BEEN TURNED DOWN
IN PART, THE PRESIDENT SAYS
BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WANT TO
ESCALATE THE CRISIS AND HAVE
IT TURN INTO WORLD WAR 3. AS
FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN, HE HAS
ONE MORE DAY HERE TOMORROW. HE
WILL BE MEETING WITH REFUGEES
HERE IN WARSAW AND THEN
DELIVER WHAT THE WHITE HOUSE
IS CALLING A SIGNIFICANT
ADDRESS ABOUT WHAT'S AT STAKE.
>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU,
KRISTEN. THAT, NBC'S KRISTEN
WELKER REPORTING FROM WARSAW
AFTER PRESIDENT BIDEN'S VISIT
WITH THE TROOPS. HE WAS
BRIEFED ON THE HUMANITARIAN
RESPONSE IN POLAND WHERE HE
SPOKE ABOUT THE CHILDREN
AFFECTED BY THIS WAR.
>> JUST DEVASTATING TO SEE A
LITTLE BABIES AND CHILDREN.
LOOKING AT OTHERS. DO HAVE TO
UNDERSTAND THE LANGUAGE THEY
SPEAK WHEN YOU I MEAN,
LITERALLY. THINK THERE'S
ANYTHING WORSE.
>> AND TO SEE CHILD SUFFERED.
>> MILLIONS OF CHILDREN HAVE
FLED THIS WAR. SOME LEFT THEIR
PARENTS BEHIND UNICEF SAYS
NOTHING ON THIS SCALE HAS
HAPPENED SINCE WORLD WAR 2 AND
THE GROUP HAS A LOT OF WORK
AHEAD, CARING FOR CHILDREN IN
THE MIDDLE OF A NIGHTMARE.
>> PEOPLE ARE CROSSING ON
TRADE AND SAID CROSSING BY
CALL THE QUESTION ON BUS AND
MANY OF CAUSING ON FOOT. AND
LIED TO THE BORDER WITH TREATY
OR THAT THEY CAN CARRY WITH
THEM.
>> COLD WET.
>> UNICEF SAYS ABOUT 7.5
MILLION CHILDREN LIVED IN
UKRAINE. THE WAR HAS DISPLACED
MORE THAN HALF OF THEM. ABOUT
4.3 MILLION. JOE ENGLISH OF
UNICEF SAYS CARING FOR THEM
MEANS PROVIDING A LITTLE BIT
OF EVERYTHING GIVEN THE SCALE
OF THE CRISIS. YOU KNOW, WE
ARE HAVING TO CLEAR OUT SO AT
HOUSES AND THEN AND THEN
RAPIDLY.
>> WE FELL BRINGING YOU
SUPPLIES WHAT TO GET THEM INTO
THE COUNTRY. EVEN FOR MIDWIFE
KIDS, SYRIA TO MAKE SURE THAT
GOING TO BEING BORN SAFELY
EVEN IN THE MOST DIFFICULT
CIRCUMSTANCES IN FROM
MAKESHIFT WARDS AT A CHART AND
DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES
NUTRITION, MAKING SURE THE
KIDS ACCESS TO EDUCATION
SUPPLIES, AND SANITATION IS
TOYS FOR KIDS BECAUSE
ULTIMATELY WE CAN MEET PORT OF
THESE BASIC NEEDS. BUT IF
WE'RE NOT GETTING THE TIMES
TIME. A CHILD IN THE SAME
TIME. THEN YOU KNOW, AND THEN
IT'S GOING TO HAVE
REPERCUSSIONS
>> MANY OF THESE CHILDREN.
CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THE WAR IS
GOING ON AND THEY HATE IT. AND
WE
>> WELL, AS THE
>> TRYING EVERYTHING TO REACH
CHILDREN TO REACH AND THAT'S
WHERE IN THE COUNTRY THEY MAY
BE. BUT THE REALITY IS, IS
THAT IT OPENS UP HOLDING THEM.
BUT IT'S A FLAG WE CAN PEOPLE
IN THAT SAFE. WE NEED
HUMANITARIAN CARGOES. WE NEED
THE HUMANITARIAN PAUSES IN THE
FIGHTING IT GOES COMPLETELY
SILENT. AND IF THE BOMB WE CAN
BE CAN BE IN THAT. BUT WITHOUT
DOUBT IT'S GOING TO BE VERY
DIFFICULT. DIPLOMATS ARE
TRYING TO NEGOTIATE SAFE
PASSAGE FOR HUMANITARIAN AID.
>> MANY UKRAINIANS HAVE BEEN
DEMANDING A NO-FLY ZONE AND
THAT WHEN THE COUNTRIES DO
SOMETHING FOR US KNOW. PEOPLE
ARE SAYING UKRAINE, WAS PLEASE
CLOSE THE SKIES.
>> UNICEF AND THE UN'S REFUGEE
AGENCY ARE TRYING TO SET UP
ANOTHER WAY. WHAT THEY CALL
BLUE DOT HUBS AND MEANS OF
SAFE SPACES ALONG THE I THINK
THAT JUST RATION SENSES. I
KNOW IT'S TRAIN STATIONS AND
ONE RIGHT WHERE WE'RE SEEING
MOVEMENTS OF PEOPLE AND PEOPLE
GATHERING AND THEY COME BY
CHILDREN WITH A SAFE PLACE TO
TO PROVIDE PARENTS WITH THAT
WITH THAT SAFE SPACE TO KNOW
THAT THEY CAN GET MORE
INFORMATION ABOUT THE SERVICES
THAT GOING TO BE AVAILABLE IN
TO THEM IN THE COUNTRY THAT
IRAN AND THE HUBS ALSO HELP
CONNECT UNACCOMPANIED MINORS
WITH PROTECTION SERVICES AND
THEY OFFER COUNSELING TO DEAL WITH THE TRAUMAS OF WAR FOR
WITH THE TRAUMAS OF WAR FOR PARENTS AND KIDS. WANT TO KNOW
PARENTS AND KIDS. WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
WHAT HAPPENED.
>> WE'LL THEM HERE AT YEAR. OF
TO MOMS THE EXIT IS FROM
UKRAINE RAISES THE RISK OF
HUMAN SMUGGLING CHILD
TRAFFICKING AND EXPLOITATION
USE THAT AS AS A PRACTICAL
GUIDE IN TERMS OF MINIMIZING
PROTECTION CHILDREN ON THE ME
LIKE INSIDE UKRAINE AND THEN
PARDONED AND THE SURROUNDING
COUNTRIES. EVEN IF WE GET THE
RISK DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, ONE
PERCENT, 2.1 OF ONE PERCENT.
>> WHEN THE NUMBERS SO HUGE.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE STILL TALKING
ABOUT 10'S OF THOUSANDS OF
CHILDREN POTENTIALLY AT RISK.
10'S OF THOUSANDS OF WOMEN
TENSION AT RISK. SO THE
QUICKER THAT WE CAN WET TO
IDENTIFY THESE MOST ON THE
BALL AND GET THEM THE CAB AND
PROTECTION THAT THEY NEED AND
WE'LL BE MISTAKEN THAT RISK.
BUT BEYOND THE BASIC NEEDS
LIKE SUPPLIES COUNSELING AND
PROTECTION UNICEF AND
UKRAINIANS BOTH SAY THEIR
GREATEST NEED IS PEACE.
>> THE BOMBS ARE FALLING DOWN
ON THE SEAT. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE IS SO
PEOPLE ARE IS SO
♪
WE'VE JUST WANTS WE EVERYBODY
TO BE A LIFE.
♪
>> THOSE EFFORTS TO GET PEOPLE
OUT ALIVE ARE CONTINUING,
INCLUDING A PUSH BY FRENCH
PRESIDENT EMMANUEL MACRON. HE
SAYS HE IS WORKING ON A
HUMANITARIAN OPERATION TO
EVACUATE UKRAINIANS FROM OUR
NEW POLL, GREECE AND TURKEY
WILL JOIN FRANCE IN THIS
OPERATION. PRESIDENT MIKE ROWE
ADDED THAT THERE HAS BEEN, IN
HIS WORDS, TRANSPARENCY ABOUT
THE MISSION WITH UKRAINIAN
PRESIDENT ZELENSKY SMOKE ALSO
PLANS ON SPEAKING WITH
VLADIMIR PUTIN IN THE NEXT 48
HOURS TO SECURE THE DETAILS.
UP NEXT, THE JANUARY 6
INVESTIGATION NOW HAS A TIE TO
SUPREME COURT JUSTICE CLARENCE
THOMAS, THE CONNECTION. HE'S
POLITICALLY ACTIVE WIFE,
JENNY, WE'LL EXPLAIN.
>> PLUS THE FBI SAYS IT
PREVENTED A BOMBING ATTACK ON
A MOSQUE IN CHICAGO. THAT'S
ALL JUST AHEAD. STAY CLIPS. ♪
NEWS NOW.
♪
>> SUPREME COURT JUSTICE
CLARENCE THOMAS IS OUT OF THE
HOSPITAL TONIGHT, BUT HE WENT
FROM DEALING WITH AN INFECTION
THERE TO A POLITICAL HEADACHE
AT HOME AND IT INVOLVES HIS
WIFE. VIRGINIA THOMAS KNOWN AS
JENNY IN THE WEEKS AFTER THE
2020 ELECTION, SHE WAS AMONG
THOSE URGING THE TRUMP WHITE
HOUSE TO OVERTURN JOE BIDEN'S
WIN. SHE TEXTED THE FORMER
WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF
MARK MEADOWS. THERE WERE 29
MESSAGES IN ALL 21 FROM HIS
THOMAS 8 FOR MISTER MEADOWS
FOR EXAMPLE, ON NOVEMBER 10TH
2020, 2020 A WEEK AFTER THE
ELECTION. GINNI THOMAS TEXTED,
QUOTE, HELP THIS GREAT
PRESIDENT STAND FIRM AND
QUOTE, THE MAJORITY KNOWS
BIDEN AND THE LEFT IS
ATTEMPTING THE GREATEST HEIST
OF OUR HISTORY, UNQUOTE. A
SOURCE FAMILIAR WITH THE
JANUARY 6 INVESTIGATION SAYS
THE COMMITTEE HAS THESE TEXTS.
NBC NEWS IS AWAITING COMMENT
FROM JENNY THOMAS AND MARK
MEADOWS, JUSTICE CLARENCE
THOMAS HAS NOT RELEASED A
STATEMENT ABOUT HIS WIFE'S
POLITICAL ACTIVITY AND IT'S
UNCLEAR HOW ALL THIS AFFECTS
HIS JOB, INCLUDING WHETHER HE
WILL RECUSE HIMSELF FROM CASES
ABOUT THE 2020 ELECTION. LET'S
GET INTO ALL OF THIS WITH
BARBARA MCQUADE. SHE'S AN
MSNBC LEGAL ANALYST, A FORMER
U.S. ATTORNEY IN MICHIGAN AND
A LAW PROFESSOR AT THE
UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN LAW
SCHOOL PROFESSOR EQUATED TO
SEE. WELCOME. THANKS VERY
MUCH. JUST GREAT TO BE WITH
YOU. I NEED YOU TO TELL ME HOW
MUCH OF THIS STORY IS LIGHT
AND HOW MUCH IS HEAT.
OBVIOUSLY THE WIFE OF A
SUPREME COURT JUSTICE BEING
POLITICALLY ACTIVE. THERE'S A
LOT OF POTENTIAL FOR TENSION
INSIDE THE WASHINGTON BELTWAY.
BUT IS THIS A BIG THING OR IS
THIS JUST GETTING OUR
ATTENTION BECAUSE SHE HAPPENS
TO BE CLARENCE THOMAS'S WIFE.
>> I THINK IT'S A VERY
SIGNIFICANT STORY. JOSHUA, I
SUPPOSE, OR SOME OF SOME OF
THE FACT THAT SHE'S HIS WIFE.
THAT GIVES IT SOME ATTENTION.
BUT I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE
REASON WHY IT'S SO DISTURBING.
YOU READ SOME OF THOSE TEXT
MESSAGES. THEY'RE TALKING
ABOUT YOU. THE GREATEST HEIST
IN HISTORY AND THIS IS
PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE. WE NEED
TO ENGAGE IN SIGNUPS. IT'S
REALLY DISTURBING TO THINK
THAT SOMEONE WHO. LIVES IN THE
COUNTRY. IS THAT CLOSE TO A
SUPREME COURT JUSTICE IS ALSO
SO WILLING TO UNDERMINE
DEMOCRACY. SO I THINK THERE'S
2 ISSUES HERE. ONE IS DID SHE
FALL WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE
INVESTIGATION THAT DOES THE
JANUARY 6 COMMITTEE NEED TO BE
GETTING HER EMAILS AND OTHERS
TO LOOK AT HER ROLE IN ALL OF
THIS. AND THEN THE OTHER IS
THE ETHICAL OBLIGATIONS OF A
SUPREME COURT JUSTICE FOR THE
CONDUCT OF THEIR SPOUSE. YOU
KNOW, WE THINK OF SPOUSES A
SEPARATE ENTITIES. BUT IN MOST
EDGE IN THE JUDICIARY. PARTS
OF OUR JUDICIARY THAT STANDARD
FOR RECUSAL IS THE JUDGE
RECUSE. IF THERE'S ANY. FACT
THAT WOULD MAKE THERE'S
DECIDING THE CASE. THEIR
IMPARTIALITY INTO QUESTION BY
REASONABLE MEMBER OF THE
PUBLIC IN SUPREME COURT
JUSTICES. SO HAVE THAT THEY
GET TO RECUSE THEMSELVES. AND
REALLY THE ONLY DIRECT
CONFLICT IS A FINANCIAL ONE.
AND SO I THINK IT CALLS AGAIN
INTO QUESTION WHETHER WE
SHOULDN'T BE IMPOSING MORE
STRICT. REQUIREMENTS ON OUR
SUPREME COURT JUSTICES.
>> I JUST WANT TO UNDERSCORE
WHAT SHE JUST SAID. PROFESSOR
SO THAT WE DON'T MISS. IT
SOUNDS LIKE YOU SAID THAT THE
RULES WE WOULD NORMALLY THINK
OF FOR JUDGES TO SAY 9 GOT A
PERSONAL CONFLICTS HERE. I
CAN'T HEAR THIS CASE. DON'T
EXIST FOR SUPREME COURT JUDGES
JUSTICES IN THE SAME WAY THEY
WOULD EXIST FOR JUDGES AND
OTHER PARTS OF THE LEGAL
SYSTEM. IS THAT RIGHT.
>> IT IS RIGHT. IN A SUPREME
COURT JUSTICES ARE SHOULD
SUPPOSED TO RECUSE THEMSELVES
FOR A DIRECT CONFLICT. SO, YOU
KNOW, IF YOU OR YOUR SPOUSE IS
A THE DEFENDANT TO THE
PLAINTIFF IN A CASE YOU HAVE
TO RECUSE YOURSELF OR THERE'S
SOME FINANCIAL INTEREST AND
THEY'RE GOING TO EITHER WIN OR
LOSE A LOT OF MONEY IN THIS
CASE IS SO THAT WOULD BE A
BASIS. BUT FOR MOST JUDGES,
THERE'S ALSO THIS APPEARANCE
OF A CONFLICT STANDARD THAT
ALSO REQUIRES RECUSAL IF A
PERSON'S FAIRNESS COULD BE
QUESTIONED TO PROMOTE PUBLIC
TRUST IN THE JUDICIARY. A
JUDGE SHOULD RECUSE HIMSELF IN
THAT SITUATION AS WELL. AND
THAT DOES NOT APPLY AT THE
SUPREME COURT. AND YOU KNOW,
HERE'S WHY IT MATTERS SO MUCH
HERE. IF YOU RECALL, JOSHUA,
IT WAS JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO
THAT THE SUPREME COURT
REJECTED A CHALLENGE BY DONALD
TRUMP TO PREVENT THE NATIONAL
ARCHIVES FROM TURNING OVER TO
THE JANUARY 6 COMMITTEE. WHITE
HOUSE DOCUMENTS. CLARENCE
THOMAS WAS THE ONLY ONE ON THE
COURT WHO DISSENTED FROM THAT
OPINION AND AGREED WITH DONALD
TRUMP THAT HE COULD WITHHOLD
THOSE DOCUMENTS. WAS HE
THINKING LIKE I NEED TO STOP
THIS BECAUSE MY WIFE, MY
WIFE'S TEXT MESSAGES MIGHT BE
IN THERE THAT COULD BE
EMBARRASSING TO HER AND
THERE'S INTO ME. AND SO I
THINK HIS IMPARTIALITY COULD
FAIRLY BE QUESTION IN THAT
INSTANCE. AND THAT'S WHY I
THINK IT UNDERMINES PUBLIC
CONFIDENCE IN THE COURT WHEN
THEY'RE NOT RECUSING
THEMSELVES IN THESE KINDS OF
SITUATIONS.
>> I DO WANT TO BE CLEAR.
THERE'S A LOT ABOUT THESE TEXT
MESSAGES THAT WE DO AND DON'T
KNOW. WE'RE STILL TRYING TO
GET THE FULL PICTURE OF BUT
THAT'S KIND OF THE POINT. THE
JANUARY 6 COMMISSION IS TO GET
THE FULL PICTURE ABOUT THE
PLANNING AROUND THE RALLY AND
THEN THE ATTACKS THAT ENSUED.
HERE'S ANOTHER ONE OF THE
TEXTS FROM NOVEMBER 13TH THE
WEEK AND A HALF AFTER THE
ELECTION. WELL, VIRGINIA
THOMAS WROTE A MARK MEADOWS
JUST FOR DID YOUR G MAIL AND
EMAIL. I SENT JARED, THIS AM
SHARED POSSIBLY JARED KUSHNER
SIDNEY POWELL AND IMPROVED
COORDINATION NOW WILL HELP THE
CAVALRY COME AND FRAUD EXPOSED
AND AMERICA SAVED AND THEN ON
NOVEMBER 24TH MARK MEADOWS
TEXTED THIS IS A FIGHT OF GOOD
VERSUS EVIL, EVIL. ALWAYS
LOOKS LIKE THE VICTOR UNTIL
THE KING OF KINGS. TRY UPS DO
NOT GROW WEARY IN WELL, DOING
THE FIGHT CONTINUES. I HAVE
STATES MY CAREER ON IT MAKING
SOME BIBLICAL REFERENCES
THERE. THE KING OF KINGS AND
THEN CITING PART OF A BIBLE
VERSE TO NOT GROW WEARY IN
DOING GOOD FOR THE PROPER
TIME. YOU SHALL REAP THE
HARVEST. IF YOU DO NOT GIVE
UP. PROFESSOR MCQUAID. IT
SOUNDS LIKE THE ISSUE HERE IS
COORDINATION. VIRGINIA THOMAS
SAID SHE ATTENDED THE JANUARY
6TH RALLY BUT LEFT BEFORE
PRESIDENT TRUMP SPOKE. BUT
THIS KIND OF RAISES THAT
QUESTION OF HOW MUCH SHE KNEW
AND WHETHER SHE WAS INVOLVED.
>> ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THE
JANUARY 6 COMMITTEE NOT ONLY
WAS IT WOULD BE WITHIN ITS
RIGHTS. BUT I THINK HAS A DUTY
NOW TO REQUEST HER TEXT
MESSAGES. THEY GOT THESE TEXT
MESSAGES FROM MARK MEADOWS.
AND REMEMBER, HE WAS
COOPERATING FOR A WHILE. ONCE
HE RECEIVED A SUBPOENA AND HE
PROVIDED SOME TEXT MESSAGES
AND THEN HE STOPPED. SO THEY
HAVE THESE AND THE REPORTING
IS THAT THEY GET A FLURRY OF
TEXT MESSAGES FROM HER RIGHT
AFTER THE ELECTION. AND THEN
THEY ABRUPTLY STOPPED AT THE
END OF NOVEMBER. THEY PICK UP
AGAIN AROUND JANUARY 6. DID HE
GET KLEIN TO PRODUCE THOSE
BECAUSE HE DECIDED TO CHANGE
HIS MIND AND NOT COOPERATE
MORE OR DID HE DECLINED TO
PRODUCE THOSE BECAUSE THEY'RE
REALLY BAD AND HE DOESN'T WANT
TO SHARE THAT WITH ANYBODY.
AND THAT'S WHAT CAUSED TO STOP
HIS COOPERATION. THEY WOULD
LIKE TO SEE THOSE. SO ONE
THING THAT THE COMMITTEE OUGHT
TO DO. I THINK ITS SUBPOENA
HER A TEXT MESSAGES. THESE
CAME FROM MARK LENO. SO LET'S
HEAR WHAT SHE HAS TO SAY. AND
YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE, JOSHUA,
THIS REMINDS ME OF IF THE
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT WERE
INVOLVED HERE. THEY WOULDN'T
HAVE TO RELY AND MARK MEADOWS
VIRGINIA. THOMAS TO PRODUCE
THEIR OWN TEXT MESSAGES
BECAUSE THEY COULD USE A
SEARCH WARRANT TO GO GET THEM
FROM THE PROVIDER. I LIKE TO
THINK THAT THEY'RE
INVESTIGATING AND PERHAPS
EITHER DOING IT OR
CONTEMPLATING DOING THAT. BUT
I THINK AT THE VERY LEAST THE
JANUARY 6 COMMITTEE NEEDS TO
SEE WHAT THE REST OF THESE
TEXT MESSAGES HAD TO SAY.
LET'S SEE THE ONE THAT SHE
SENT TO JARED KUSHNER. IF
THAT'S WHO THE JARRETT.
>> VERY BRIEFLY, PROFESSOR.
LAST QUESTION. IT'S NOT A
CRIME TO BELIEVE THAT JOE
BIDEN IS NOT THE DULY ELECTED
PRESIDENT. IT'S FALSE, BUT
IT'S NOT A CRIME. IT'S NOT A
CRIME TO BELIEVE THAT GOD
ORDAINED DONALD TRUMP TO
REMAIN THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES IT'S RELIGIOUSLY
QUESTIONABLE BUT NOT A CRIME.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE FOR THIS TO
ACTUALLY AMOUNT TO ANYTHING
LEGALLY. THERE'S GOT TO BE
REAL CLEAR. CAUSAL CONNECTION
BETWEEN GINNI THOMAS AND WHAT
HAPPENED AT THE CAPITOL ON
JANUARY 6TH TO DO. I HAVE THAT
RIGHT OR NOT. BEFORE WE GO
YES, I'M NOT SURE AGREE THAT
THERE NEEDS TO BE FRAUDULENT
INTENT. AND SO FAR IT LOOKS
LIKE SHE TRULY BELIEVED THAT
THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN.
MAYBE.
>> BUT YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE
THAT YOU KNEW THE ELECTION
WASN'T STOLEN AND YET YOU PUSH
HARD OPPOSE THE CERTIFICATION.
AND SO I DON'T THINK I NEED
TO.
>> CONNECT HER TO THE IT'S
JUST I THINK YOU JUST NEED TO
CONNECT HER TO THE PRESSURE ON
MIKE PENCE TO ABUSE HIS POWER
TO CERTIFY THE ELECTION.
>> MICHIGAN LAW PROFESSOR
BARBARA MCQUADE, IT'S ALWAYS
GOOD TALKING TO YOU. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. JOSH WAS
SAYING TO YOU. AND SOME OF OUR
OTHER STORIES TONIGHT. 3
PEOPLE FACE CHARGES FOR
ALLEGEDLY PLANNING TO BLOW UP
A CHICAGO AREA MOSQUE IN THE
NAME OF ISIS. THE FBI SAYS IT
SAVE YOUR PELKEY FROM MAINE
COORDINATED WITH 2 TEENAGERS
OVER INSTAGRAM. THE ATTACK
WOULD HAVE TARGETED A MOSQUE
DURING SPRING BREAK THE TEENS
ARE FROM THE CHICAGO AREA AND
FROM KENTUCKY, NEWLY UNSEALED
COURT DOCUMENTS SHOW THEY PLAN
TO SEPARATE THE ADULTS FROM
THE CHILDREN INSIDE AND THEN
KILLED THE ADULTS. OFFICIALS
SAY THEY PLAN TO TARGET A SHIA
MUSLIM MOSQUE IN THE NAME OF
ISIS AND ISIS PRESENTS ITSELF
AS THE SUNNI MUSLIM GROUP, THE
FBI ARRESTED ALL 3 SUSPECTS
LAST MONTH, AGENTS FOUND
HANDMADE EXPLOSIVES HIS
APARTMENT. HE FACES UP TO 10
YEARS IN PRISON. THE TEENS ARE
BOTH MINORS. SO THEIR CHARGES
HAVE NOT BEEN MADE PUBLIC.
IT'S EASY TO YEARN FOR THE
GOOD OLD DAYS, ESPECIALLY IN
THE FILM INDUSTRY. MOVIEGOING
IS NOT WHAT IT USED TO BE.
>> WHAT WILL THAT MEAN FOR
THIS SUNDAY'S ACADEMY AWARDS.
WE'LL CONSIDER WHERE HOLLYWOOD
IS HEADED BEFORE WE GO.
>> SO HAVE YOU MADE YOUR LIST
OF OSCAR PREDICTIONS YET. DO
YOU EVEN CARE? IT'S A CULTURAL
SHIFT THAT HAS SOME IN
HOLLYWOOD WORRIED. NOTHING
CELEBRATES THE MAGIC OF THE
MOVIES QUITE LIKE THE OSCARS.
THE EVENT IS THIS SUNDAY. WHAT
WHAT ROLE DOES HOLLYWOOD'S
BIGGEST NIGHT PLAY THESE DAYS.
ACCORDING TO NIELSEN,
VIEWERSHIP HAS BEEN DECLINING
FOR YEARS. LOOK AT THE CHART,
ESPECIALLY AFTER THE 20 TEAMS
LAST YEAR, 10.4 MILLION PEOPLE
WATCHED THE OSCARS THAT'S DOWN
56% FROM THE YEAR BEFORE. NOW,
COVID OBVIOUSLY WAS A HUGE
PART OF THE PROBLEM. BUT THE
OSCARS ALSO HAS THE REPUTATION
FOR ELEVATING MORE CRITICALLY
ACCLAIMED FILMS, RATHER THAN
THE BIG MONEY BLOCKBUSTERS.
CHECK OUT THE 10 NOMINEES FOR
BEST PICTURE OF THE YEAR. THE
NEW YORK TIMES NOTED THAT WHEN
THE OSCAR NOMINATIONS WERE
ANNOUNCED. 9 OF THESE 10
MOVIES HAD MADE LESS THAN
40 MILLION DOLLARS IN THE
DOMESTIC BOX OFFICE NOW
COMPARE THAT TO A MOVIE LIKE
SPIDERMAN. NO WAY HOME THAT'S
BEEN OUT FOR 3 MONTHS AND IT
GROSSED ALMOST 800 MILLION
DOLLARS JUST IN THE U.S.. NBC
ENTERTAINMENT REPORTER DANIEL
ARKIN JOINS US NOW TO DISCUSS
THIS. AND DANIEL, I WONDER
WHAT THE ACADEMY SENSES OF
WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. I MEAN,
HOLLYWOOD IS STILL MAKING
MONEY ON MOVIES AND IT'S STILL
HANDING OUT THE PRESTIGIOUS
ACADEMY AWARDS. SO IS THIS
MORE OF A PERCEIVED PROBLEM IN
THE PUBLIC OR TO THE PEOPLE
WHO DO THE OSCARS THINK
THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG.
>> GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR
HAVING ME. I THINK YOU CAN GET
THE IMPRESSION BASED ON WHAT
THE ACADEMY HAS BEEN DOING IN
RECENT MONTHS THAT THEY FEEL
THAT THERE IS A CRISIS HERE
BUT NEED TO BE FIXED FOR
EXAMPLE. AND THE LAST COUPLE
YEARS, THE PRODUCERS OF THE
ACADEMY HAVE FLOATED THE IDEA
OF INTRODUCING A SO-CALLED
POPULAR FILM CATEGORY. THAT
WOULD BE A SPACE FOR THEM TO
RECOGNIZE BLOCKBUSTERS FROM
MARVEL OR DC RATHER THAN SOME
OF THE MORE ART SCENE OR
CRITICALLY ACCLAIMED FILMS
THAT HAVE SMALLER AUDIENCES.
THAT IDEA HAS ALWAYS BEEN
REBUFFED. THE NEXT. THEY HAVE
TALKED ABOUT SHORTENING THE
SHOW CONTROVERSIALLY THEY OF
THE TECHNICAL OR SO-CALLED
BELOW THE LINE CATEGORIES TO
THE COMMERCIAL BREAKS, WHICH
MEANS THEY WILL NOT BE
PRESENTED LIVE THAT CAUSED A
LOT OF CONSTERNATION IN THE
FILM INDUSTRY. BUT IT'S
ANOTHER AND INDICATION THEY
SEEM TO THINK THEY NEED TO
MAKE THE SHOW MORE ACCESSIBLE
AND MORE POPULIST AND THAT
WOULD BE A WAY OF STEMMING
SOME OF THESE RATINGS LOTS AS
WE'VE SEEN OVER THE YEARS.
>> HOW MUCH OF THIS JUST HAS
TO DO WITH THE CHANGING
ECONOMICS OF THE MOVIE
BUSINESS. I MEAN, WE PUT THAT
LIST UP OF THE 10 BEST PICTURE
NOMINEES. IF YOU LOOK AT THAT
LIST A LOT OF THESE FILMS
EITHER CAME FROM
NON-TRADITIONAL MOVIE STUDIOS
AT THE BIG 5 OR 6 STUDIOS.
WE'RE USED TO OR THEY WERE
RELEASED IN NON-TRADITIONAL
WAYS. COTA IS FROM APPLE TV.
PLUS, DON'T LOOK UP WAS A
NETFLIX POWER OF THE DOG WAS
ON NETFLIX KING. RICHARD CAME
OUT ON HBO MAX THE SAME DAY
THAT IT CAME OUT IN THEATERS
AND ON AND ON AND ON. YOU
KNOW, DUNE CAME OUT ON HBO
MAX, THE SAME NIGHT WEST SIDE
STORY'S ON DISNEY. PLUS, NOW,
YOU KNOW, VERY FEW OF THESE
ARE CONVENTIONAL MOVIE
RELEASES. SO I WONDER HOW THE
ADAPTING BUSINESS OF HOLLYWOOD
IS AFFECTING THE ROLE OF THE
OSCARS THESE DAYS.
>> I THINK WE'RE LIVING IN A
IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE IT'S
VERY HARD TO GAUGE.
>> THE COMMERCIAL.
>> SUCCESS OF THE FILM OR EVEN
HOW MANY PEOPLE TUNED IN. FOR
EXAMPLE, ANY FILM THAT STREAMS
EXCLUSIVELY ON NETFLIX HBO.
MAX DISNEY PLUS, THE STREAMING
PLATFORMS ARE NOT IN THE HABIT
OF DISCLOSING DEALERSHIP DATA.
IT'S NOT LIKE THE WEEKLY BOX
OFFICE REPORT WHERE PEOPLE CAN
POUR DATA AND FIGURE PRECISELY
HOW MANY PEOPLE BOUGHT TICKETS
TO NEXT TITLE AT X LOCATION IN
THE U.S. I THINK ANOTHER THING
WE'VE SEEN HERE. OBVIOUSLY
WE'RE IN THE MIDST OF A 2 PLUS
YEAR MIC THAT HAS MEANT THAT
THE BOX OFFICE POTENTIAL OF
FILMS LIKE WEST SIDE STORY
KING RICHARD WAS NECESSARILY
LIMITED A LOT OF OLDER
AUDIENCES WHO TEND TO BE THE
TARGET FOR FANS OF GENRE IS
WERE MORE RELUCTANT TO RETURN
TO THE MULTIPLEX AND THEY
STAYED HOME.
>> I'M TRYING TO SUSS OUT
WHETHER OR NOT THIS ARGUMENT
OVER THE FUTURE OF HOLLYWOOD
IS REALLY A THING. EVERY
SINGLE MAJOR MASS MEDIUM RADIO
TELEVISION LEGIT THEATER.
BROADCAST TELEVISION CABLE
TELEVISION HAS ALL GONE
THROUGH THESE REINVENTIONS AND
COMPANIES HAVE FOUND WAYS TO
ADAPT TAKE OUR COMPANY, FOR
EXAMPLE, WE HAVE ONE NOMINEE
FOR BEST PICTURE BELFAST,
WHICH IS DISTRIBUTED BY
UNIVERSAL, WHICH IS A
CORPORATE COUSIN OF NBC NEWS.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY
UNIVERSAL PICTURES IS COUNTING
ON BELFAST FOR THE BOTTOM LINE
OF THE COMPANY BECAUSE THEY'VE
GOT MARRY ME AND SAYING TO AND
ALL THESE ARE THE BAD GUYS
ABOUT TO COME OUT FROM
DREAMWORKS LIKE IT FEELS LIKE
IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER THAT
MUCH NECESSARILY IN TERMS OF
THE COMPANY BEING ABLE TO PAY
THE BILLS EVERY YEAR.
>> YOU MAY HAVE SEEN EARLY
THIS MORNING. THE NEW YORK
TIMES RAN OFF THAT BY THE
WRITER ROSS DOUTHAT THAT
EFFECTIVELY PROCLAIMED AT THE
END OF THE MOVIES AS YOU WHAT
STARTED THIS WHOLE
CONVERSATION FOR US SHOW THEIR
THERE'S A LOT IN THAT COLUMN
THAT AS WE'RE DEBATING AND
DISCUSSING, I DO THINK IT'S
FAIR TO SAY THAT AMERICAN DO
NOT OCCUPY THE SAME SPACE IN
THE CULTURE THAT THEY DID SAY
20 YEARS AGO, JUST FOR
EXAMPLE, THE FOR THE TECH
HANEKE WON BEST PICTURE IN
1998 SOME 55 MILLION PEOPLE
TUNED IN TO THE OSCARS. IT WAS
A MASSIVE AUDIENCE BE FITTING
THE CELEBRATION OF THE FILM.
THAT WAS A GIGANTIC COMMERCIAL
AND CRITICAL SPECTACLE. THE
OSCARS AUDIENCE HAS NEVER COME
CLOSE TO THAT TOTAL EVER SO
AGAIN, I THINK IT'S FAIR TO
SAY THAT FILM'S VERY GENERALLY
SPEAKING ARE NOT AT THE CENTER
OF OUR CULTURAL LIFE. THEY ARE
NOW JOCKEYING FOR TEMPERATURE
ATTENTION AND A MARKETPLACE
THAT INCLUDES EVERYTHING FROM
VIDEO GAMES TO WHATEVER IS
HAPPENING ON YOUR TIKTOK
STREAM TO THE NEWS. THERE'S
ANY NUMBER OF MEDIA AND
ENTERTAINMENT OPTIONS
AVAILABLE US. I THINK ANOTHER
THING TO POINT TO IS THE RISE
OF BUT MANY PEOPLE REFER TO AS
PRESTIGE TV. I THINK IT'S FAIR
TO SAY THAT A LOT OF PROJECTS
THAT WOULD HAVE TRADITIONALLY
BEEN CONVENTIONAL TO OUR
FEATURE LENGTH FILMS RELEASED
IN THEATERS ARE NOW BEING
ROUTED TO NETFLIX HBO, MAX
TOO. AND THEY ARE TAKING THE
FORM OF SERIALIZED MANY
SERIOUS LIKE A MARE OF
EASTTOWN OR THE WHITE LOTUS. I
THINK THAT'S ANOTHER SHIP THAT
CAN'T BE OVERLOOKED. A MIDDLE
CLASS AND UPPER MIDDLE CLASS
CONSUMERS WHO USED TO GO TO
THE MOVIES ON A FRIDAY NIGHT.
HAVE DATE NIGHT. A LOT OF
PEOPLE ARE NOW STAYING HOME.
I'M ENJOYING THESE SERIALIZED
SHOWS THAT HAVE IN SOME CASES
THE SAME CALIBER OF STAR.
CINEMATOGRAPHY THAT AT THE
VERY LEAST RESEMBLES FILMIC
FILMMAKING. I THINK THAT THE
SHIP THAT CAN BE OVERLOOKED.
>> YEAH, I'M PERSONALLY VERY
MUCH LOOKING FORWARD TO GOING
TO THE MOVIES THIS WEEKEND
JUST BECAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN SO
LONG AND I NEED TO GET OUT OF
THE HOUSE, NBC ENTERTAINMENT
REPORTER DANIEL ARKIN, WE
APPRECIATE YOU MAKING TIME,
SIR. THANK YOU.
>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME. TAKE
CARE.
>> BEFORE WE GO. PLENTY OF
TODAY'S HIT MOVIES HAVE AN
ACTRESS IN LEADING ROLE WOMAN
AS THE LEAD. BUT HOW MANY OF
THOSE MOVIES HAVE A WOMAN
LEAVING BEHIND THE CAMERA. A
NEW U C L A REPORT FOUND THAT
LAST YEAR JUST OVER A 5TH OF
DIRECTORS OF STREAMING OR
THEATRICAL MOVIES FOR WOMEN. A
5TH THAT'S 5 TIMES WHAT IT WAS
JUST 10 YEARS AGO. BUT AT THIS
SUNDAY'S OSCARS, THE NUMBER OF
NOMINEES WHO ARE WOMEN IS THAT
A 3 YEAR LOW. NBC'S HALLIE
JACKSON HAS THAT STORY.
>> THE 94TH ACADEMY AWARDS ARE
THIS SUNDAY HIGHLIGHTING
HOLLYWOOD STARS, INCLUDING, OF
COURSE, WOMEN. BUT THIS YEAR
ONLY 28% OF OSCAR NOMINEES ARE
FEMALE. THE LOWEST IN 3 YEARS.
DO YOU THINK THERE'S STILL A
GLASS CEILING IN HOLLYWOOD.
>> WELL, IF WE LOOK AT THE
DATA, THE ANSWER IS YES, BUT
WOMEN ARE BREAKING THROUGH ALL
THE TIME.
>> JERMAINE FRANCO IS THE
FIRST WOMAN TO SCORE A DISNEY
ANIMATED MOVIE AND THE FIRST
LATINA TO BE NOMINATED FOR
BEST ORIGINAL SCORE FOR
DISNEY'S
>> WE HAVE TO CELEBRATE THAT
WOMEN HAVE IDEAS. WOMEN HAVE
ABILITY AND WE CAN SPEAK UP
AND AND WE WILL BE HEARD
FRANCO STRESSING THE NEED TO
CELEBRATE WOMEN OF COLOR WITH
A NEW REPORT OUT THAT SAYS
LATINO AND LATINA ACTORS ARE
UNDER REPRESENTED ON SCREEN.
>> WITH JUST 7 AND A HALF
PERCENT OF ALL FILM ROLES
GOING TO THEM.
>> WHAT DO YOU SAY WHEN THEY
LOOK AT YOU AND LOOK AROUND
AND SAY I DON'T SEE MANY
PEOPLE WHO LOOK LIKE ME IN THE
WELL, I SAY KEEP YOUR HEAD
DOWN AND DO GREAT WORK. DON'T
BE AFRAID TO SHARE IDEAS. IF
YOU'RE GONNA BE IN THE ROOM BE
IN THE ROOM. THE NUMBERS SHOW
THERE'S STILL A LONG WAY TO
GO. ACCORDING TO ONE REPORT OF
THE 250 TOP GROSSING FILMS OF
2021.
>> 82% DIDN'T HAVE A FEMALE
DIRECTOR 92% DIDN'T HAVE A
FEMALE COMPOSER AND 94% DIDN'T
HAVE A FEMALE CINEMATOGRAPHER.
I THINK PEOPLE TEND TO.
>> ASSOCIATE LIKE MORE
POWERFUL JOBS IN THE FILM
INDUSTRY WITH MEN.
>> AND A 2020 FORBES REPORT
SHOWED THE 10 HIGHEST PAID
ACTRESSES MADE LESS THAN HALF
OF WHAT THEIR MALE
COUNTERPARTS MADE. THERE'S A
FOCUS ON CREATING EQUITY
BEHIND THE SCENES TO FRANKIE
FORTUNATE. IT WAS A POST
PRODUCTION COORDINATOR WHO
STARTED HER CAREER WORKING
LONG DAYS ON THE SETS OF
PRODUCTIONS LIKE THE GREATEST
SHOWMAN AND THE MARVELOUS
MISSES MAISEL AFTER 3 YEARS.
SHE FELT BURNED OUT. I WAS
WORKING.
>> 8090 HOUR WORK WEEKS AND I
WANTED TO CARE FOR MYSELF
GETTING ENOUGH AND ALSO LAKE
TO MY BOYFRIEND, MY PARTNER,
MY FAMILY LIKE BEING ON SET.
THAT WAS AN. POSSIBLE. DO YOU
FEEL LIKE AS A WOMAN IN FILM.
THIS IS A SUSTAINABLE CAREER
PATH FOR YOU RIGHT NOW. YOU
KNOW, I MEAN, I'M NOT PLANNING
ON HAVING KIDS ANY TIME SOON.
AND I THINK I'D HAVE TO HAVE A
REALLY BIG AND COMMENT. I I
HAVE FEMALE BOSS IS RIGHT NOW
TO THAT KID. SOMETIMES THEY'RE
WORKING LATER BECAUSE THEY
HAVE TO BE THERE CAN SOONER.
BUT THE BED BOTH SHE AND SAFER
WOMEN MAKING YOURSELF SEEN AND
HEARD IS KEY.
>> WHAT WOULD IT MEAN TO YOU
TO HAVE THAT OSCAR STATUETTE
TO HOLD THAT AND TO KNOW THAT
YOU ARE NOT YOU KNOW, I REALLY
HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.
ACTUALLY, I JUST NEED TO SAY
TO YOUNG WOMEN, YOU ARE WHO
YOU ARE AND EMBRACE THAT AND
GO FORWARD WITH YOUR PASSION.
>> THAT'S WHAT I I FEEL LIKE
IS THE BEST WIN IS THAT PEOPLE
SEE.
>> THAT WE ARE CONTRIBUTING
AND HEARING OUR VOICES.
>> THAT WAS NBC'S HALLIE
JACKSON REPORTING. BE SURE TO
WATCH HALLE JACKSON NOW
WEEKDAYS ON NBC NEWS NOW.
THANKS FOR MAKING TIME FOR US.
KEEP SENDING US YOUR QUESTIONS
ON THE WAR IN UKRAINE ON
SOCIAL MEDIA BY VOICE MAIL OR
BY EMAIL UNTIL WE MEET AGAIN.
I'M JOSHUA JOHNSON. ENJOY YOUR
WEEKEND AND WE'LL SEE YOU MONDAY TONIGHT.
MONDAY TONIGHT.
♪
>> TONIGHT, BREAKING NEWS