welcome to what the flight review up the walking dead
season 4 episode 12 still
double meaning there I'm Kim horcher and I'm joined by
John I to Rolla and the nerd alert army %uh Andrew focal length: him fresh
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well then should I bring it to people anyway
speaking a blindness a tonight last night that the soda
rivard completely around Beth and Daryl
and Beth simple premise a I need a drink
and of course the becomes one of those great on maybe not great your opinion
a character study episode we learned so much more than we never known before
about both those characters
a so let's start at the top is this
so is this like the fewest characters that have been featured since like
season one like before reading it is here
has very different area have a service that we've seen recently have been like
two characters and then
cutting back to two other characters look at least may show an interest in
car or something like that added to the two
you know it seem like an odd pairing at first but then their own
but I I liked overall because they both have I feel like they both have have a
chip on their shoulder about who they were
up before the turn as they say and
if they are kinda discovering this whole episode have keynote leading are letting
go of who they were in becoming who they are
yeah but I loved um but it didn't
revolve around the premise have Beth wants a drink and she know it sounds
stupid
but they're doing it anyway because I think she needs kinda bike a goal
good at the end of the world what's gonna happen years can be wandering
around they think everyone they know is
dead so maybe it lets let me at the stenciled read a little bit and make her
happy I
a little mission for ourselves yes go to the country club in and get some
cardigans and
think in a few brain bleed arts yeah
yeah I hit long-term you need to find something more fulfilling than just
getting drunk but in the short term at least following like whatever impulse
you have is something to do
something more than just eating a steak for instance and when she said you know
I want to get a drink I thought was in rio another stupid little lecture to go
and get attacked
which sorta did happen but in the end it made yet what for today it did end up
kind of a stupid thing to do
but I I liked a little mission that I i think it worked
there's only so much character developing you can get out of finding
shelter and gathering water and clearinghouses and getting supplies
sometimes you need to do some stupid shit to really like him show the
audience who these characters are or were can be
yeah I think my really like that motivate like stupid little things
because
well first of all bet is growing up so she still like discovering
you know should visit her first drink so she's she's doing the stupid little
things that
you kind of like we do those now we can take it for granted you kinda discover
who you are
when you do know done little things I think they're low resentful
because he talked about his life finally and we discover he didn't get those
opportunities he never had
time to do the stupid little things you never had someone to watch is back for
him
yeah and maybe that's why he was so angry from most of the episode
yes seeing her life post apocalypse being better than his life pre
apocalypse has got to hurt him
not a pretty fundamental level and and
so I thought was interesting that they went with the peach schnapps the fact
that he called her like it was stupid college girl stuff you rebut that should
have been busy as tically drink that
but we were talking before the show is pretty ironic that his choice for a
better first drink is moonshine
it's what I don't know like shows that like
her the like her instinctive I'll go to the country club in fine like a wine
cooler something like that in his life
we're going to a shack in the woods are entering banja gonna so the two
characters like she joined moonshine like it was nothing by the way
she was shocking that all night perfectly fine she's like a hundred
ten-pound non-drinkers
it is also bad okay maybe it was the one who said maybe which is bottled water
and he was just that
like you can convince yourself you're getting drunk even if you're not me and
I think that the Raiders are the show haven't actually tried moonshine I don't
think a lot of people have
now yeah I know I can expect them to be like I do know that they'll just the
smell
well yeah I mean I have right now I have it for backwoods moonshine but I've had
like the kind that you can get a liquor store ended
it's pretty foul it's kinda like yeah he'll dumping a small on punches you in
the face you don't
you don't just take a little Sep and then put it down in like consider next
walking
so I'll like you obviously have a lot of things or talk about but while we're
talking about like falling urges I think all of us expected
that there was the possibility of them hooking up I really why they really
didn't want it to happen I really want to know how it he's too old for her John
he's not that all the other Harrity Cutler got hurt %uh
you look yummy fresh 45 I guess but she's she's 18
me now you guys post apocalyptic you can't wait
I guess that's true but something lol for the Millipore
because I care with my shown are Carol not I would like to be on a shower yes
I mean if you were if your mindset is oh my god I need to have a drink before I
die
it only follows that your second thought I need to have sex with my I made a
specially after playing the game talking about the things they are never done
nothing I thought that was
a first so I thought you want to get drunk so that should be bold enough to
go
jump on him and and the the never have I ever been
or that weird version of it I thought was going to be height never
never actually had sex well maybe the deleted scene
have you ever eg gotten drunk and done some huge progress yeah
flight and that was for bringing up I think so why did he jump on him and
because he's a respectable man unlike you
and his attack should message him that's respectable she is way better at holding
her liquor apparently the hidden I guess which is a little weird
bad drunk by the way Mina let and that was not just me knows well I guess
looking than a semi suicidal mood
but screaming and was wondering outside is that there could possibly be more
than one zombie
that's pretty crazy I'm lucky they didn't get eaten his aim was not
affected by that alcohol
he was head in a corner pockets I all over the place
I guess I don't know I did feel like i won the the zombie that actor in the
country club is the the most ineffectual zombie whatever
lived like he was holding her arm like making holding your skin might like that
one cuz they reminded me of that movie idol hands
arstan green character is out on bail
with a bottle jammed into a school for the whole movie maybe it was what I N
those a fun movie right a young Jessica Alba
yes but get back on track yeah I know but OK and you really fast I did very
much like the first scene where they decide to hide in my
read it right that we got that Dhabi suspense back yet that could have been
there the last decision they made because if the if she made a sound in
the cat they kept going to hurt it look like she was gonna say something
that could have easily kill both of them I like that scene I was good
they could I don't know much too drastic part though and that will be safe here
unless they've learned how to open trunks for mister
what is a clever girl and they didn't find them
what did we think about Siena um
outside the house they're kinda reveals the Met those behind Daryl Dixon who he
was
before the turn and he was nothing
according to him and I think that's really interesting we live shows kind of
how their
their roles and percy perception I've usefulness switched because before bet
everything she wasn't rich
but she had a family and she was telling the story about how she can look forward
to her father getting old
and Maggie and Glenn having a baby and they would have picnics and
that's that's a so sweet that's what he'd makes
wife nice and he and he didn't have any of that but now he's this man
who is indispensable and he will be the last man standing as she says and she
kinda admits I'm going to die
you're going to miss me she seems really good at confronting the truth certainly
yeah well I mean ever she is has had a harder transition some ways that he has
his situation is actually sort of improved since then the world
he's not being bullied his thinking on his own is also he's been at
one point to another surrounded by a group of people who appreciate him and
trust him and stuff like that
and that maybe is why it freaks are not so much when he feels responsible for
them all time by not confronting the governor something like that
he actually lost a family that's unlike anything he's had
where they've all had some other family in the past that they've lost
they've been sorta I guess they don't feel in the same way that he does
but the thing is so she talks about him being how was the last man standing and
I'm sure it makes them feel better and some
and some level feel terrible help a nigga and I think but I don't think he
will be the last man standing and not because he can't deal with the world the
way it is although when he gets drunk he does risky stuff
but I think that he will become connected to another person possibly bet
that they continue this character arc
and he's the sort of guy who dies not because he's not prepared because the
sacrifices himself to save another person
and so that could be this could be for shadowing him either trying to save her
or possibly she dies and he does something stupid thing is they're out
this was for shadowing that she will die
because she can still enter termed come to terms with it
she take seems to say X understand that it's going to happen and that
she sorry bout the wait up her leaving flying
on the show character but development is the most terminal thing you can come
down rather
some I mean we're we're getting a lot of a great episode reno
for the end I think it's also important to remember
that like although we expect all these people to deal with the zombie
apocalypse
that's happening all around them with maturity and and Grayson
bike cool heads and quick-thinking like she's a teenager
her father was just murdered in front over she's allowed to be
a little rebellious and want to get out at a suckass campaign to find and drank
I can't quite for those thoughts but he did say suck at yeah
I get a and and and I get the scene at the end to however stupid it was
yeah it's like that scene with their the blowing up house besides the inaccuracy
if I've learned that
moonshiners every out that way yeah I
moonshine acquire them doing that to do in the morning after use up the house II
yeah
yeah I wanna walk around the dark I guess it's it's about following urges
again just like getting a drink
and again another big metaphor it wasn't exactly subtle
have eat letting go up what's behind you and moving forward and
being unafraid and realizing these harsh truths and getting the Daryl Dixon
salute to everything
but I can't do on the air her okay
can't wait this is the internet it about the house really fast
it is the prep for the zombie apocalypse thing but a
assuming you're not worried about humans why don't they sleep on the roof these
houses
that seems like the safest possible place they can break into a house they
can't climb though
now generally consider that there are interesting
anyway I so overall I I did like it I don't see them doing a lot about besos
like this just because they don't have the time for like there's too many
different groups
although the preview for next week did seem to indicate that they are going to
be featured heavily in that episode
but I wonder like there obviously building towards both
terminus and also the Cure so I like that they're making time to actually
flesh out the characters but I i feel like
we can't expect too much more this for the season what did you see the
foreshadowing in the country club
how bout fines a little spoon says Washington DC on it
and well so I'm you read the spoon it's interesting that they didn't even imply
where they might be headed
other than possibly for saddling but it wasn't like they found the the things
about terminus or anything like that
like they're still just out there somewhere and their places they've
already been
this little shack was a place for him a shot or two thousand they haven't gone
far
from the president they're still in Georgia debt to BS
yeah it's also worth noting i theory that's going around on the internet
right now like a out
and see one universe theory obviously Darrell tells the story about him in his
brother and their
Tweaker I drug dealer friend that they almost got in a lethal argument with and
the way he described them as very
Jesse payment ask they say he says I'm gonna kill you bit shoney's I
skinny white drug dealer sell I mean it if they're talking dog cartoon on that
show
well hit and he laments about you know
his kid that he used to have it could be talk about Brock we don't know who I was
watching cartoons
wired area that someone tried to recreate the blue math
and it caused um a bath salts affect and Kat this whole thing
so and I the only thing to do occurred to solidify the theory is that is on
beef i'd have faced Gus fring walking around in the background somewhere
yeah I love it
ok he's in there what were your out your guys thoughts on the mountain goats song
that ended the I don't know they are willing if it was a song to be honest
it's a it's a I believe it's a retelling out the Romulus and remains stable the
founding a brown
how they were abandoned by their parents and raised by wolves
and went on to do great things when cats that may be a little heavy handed with
the whole you know like forget our password is down here
breyer's now and not lovers in the death song
which is what I like I
yeah I think we have the Bob Sasha
Maggie triangle to flesh out there and up fog fighting
and maybe that trio make more sense like this duo did
this week at be sure to check in next week for
view a episode 13 thanks y'all