ARE OR WHAT AILS HIM.
HIS EVENTS WILL BE RESCHEDULED
INCLUDING A STOP AT THE SITE
OF THE BOMBING OF THE U.S.
EMBASSY IN NAIROBI.
>> IT COULD BE HISTORY IN THE
MAKING AS PRESIDENT TRUMP
AGREES TO MEET WITH NORTH
KOREAN LEADER KIM JONG-UN.
THE STUNNING DEVELOPMENT MARKS
THE POTENTIAL TURNING POINT
AFTER DECADES OF HOSTILITY
BETWEEN THE U.S. AND THE
HERMIT KINGDOM, BUT THE DEVIL
IS IN THE DETAILS FOR THE U.S.
FACES MANY HURDLES AHEAD OF
THIS HISTORIC MEETING.
ASIAN ANALYST DRAINS ME NOW,
HE IS ALSO THE AUTHOR OF
NUCLEAR SHOWDOWN NORTH KOREA
AS THEY TOOK TAKE ON THE
WORLD.
GLAD TO HAVE YOU HERE.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THOSE
HURDLES IN A MINUTE.
FIRST AND WHEN ASKED, WHAT YOU
MAKE OF SARAH SANDERS COMMENTS
THAT THERE WILL NOT BE A
MEETING BETWEEN PRESIDENT
TRUMP AND KIM JONG-UN UNTIL WE
SEE CONCRETE ACTION.
THAT ALSO, WHAT IS THE WHITE
HOUSE POSITION TODAY, IS IT
SMART AND STRATEGIC POSITION
AND IS IN A POSITION OF
STRENGTH.
>> SARAH SANDERS SAID THAT
YESTERDAY, BUT THE WHITE HOUSE
WALKED THAT BACK PRIVATELY IN
COMMENTS TO THE NEW YORK TIMES
AND OTHER PUBLICATIONS.
THE REASON IS SHE HAS HAD A
NEW QUALIFICATION TO A
DECADE-OLD U.S. POLICY.
OUR POLICY HAS ALWAYS BEEN WE
WILL TALK WITH THE NORTH
KOREANS IF, BEFOREHAND THEY
ACKNOWLEDGE THEIR PRIOR
OBLIGATION TO GIVE UP THEIR
NUKES.
THAT'S ALL WE ASK THAT WE
DIDN'T ASK FOR CONCRETE ACTION
WHICH IS WHAT SANDERS THAT WE
WERE NOW REQUIRING.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA THAT
WE TALKED TO THE NORTH KOREANS
JUST WITH THE PLEDGE, EVEN
WITH NO CONCRETE ACTION
BECAUSE WE HOLD A LOT OF HIGH
CARDS IN THIS NEGOTIATION.
ALSO, SOUTH KOREA, OUR MAIN
ALLY WANTS US TO TALK TO NORTH
KOREA.
WE NEED TO KEEP OUR ALLIANCE
STRONG AND THAT INCLUDES
TALKING TO THE NORTH KOREANS
TALKING TO THE NORTH KOREANS.
>> SO MUCH IN THERE.
YOU SAY WE HOLD HIGH CARDS?
LIKE WHAT.
>> THE SANCTIONS BUT THE
REASON THE NORTH KOREANS ARE
WILLING TO TALK TO US IS
BECAUSE THEY ARE REALLY BEING
HURT BY U.S. AND UN
SANCTIONS.
THERE ARE SO MANY REPORTS FOR
INSTANCE THE OFFICE NUMBER 39
WHICH IS THE FAMILY PERSONAL
SLUSH FUND IS RUNNING OUT OF
CASH.
THE SOUTH KOREANS ARE SAYING
NORTH KOREA WILL RUN OUT OF
ITS FOREIGN EXCHANGE RESERVES
BY OCTOBER.
THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF OTHER IN
A TOTAL EVIDENCE IN THAT
DIRECTION AND THAT MEANS KIM
NEEDS A LOT OF SANCTIONS
RELIEF SO YOU'VE GOT TO COME
TO US BECAUSE WE ARE THE ONES
MAINTAINING THOSE SANCTIONS.
>> SO YOU'RE SAYING SANCTIONS
ARE WHAT DRAWING OR FORCING
HIM TO THE TABLE.
DO YOU BELIEVE THE MEETING
WILL ULTIMATELY TAKE PLACE, IF
IT DOES, WHERE WHAT HAPPENED
AND WHAT ARE THE SAYING.
>> THE MEETING PROBABLY WILL
BE IN THE JOINT SECURITY AREA
IN THE DEMILITARIZED OWNS, IT
COULD BE ON THE SOUTH KOREAN
SIDE, THAT'S WHERE HE IS
ACTUALLY GOING TO MEET
PRESIDENT OF SOUTH KOREA IN
APRIL SO IT BE EASY TO HOLD
THE FOLLOW-UP MEETING WITH
PRESIDENT TRUMP BECAUSE A
MEETING WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP
WILL PROBABLY FOLLOW THE ONE
WITH MOON.
THERE'S ONE BAD THING ABOUT
MEETING THIS AND PEOPLE POINT
THIS OUT OF TIME.
THAT IS TRUMP MERELY MEETING
KIM IS ELEVATING HIM, GIVING
HIM LEGITIMACY BUT THAT'S A
VERY SMALL PRICE TO PAY
BECAUSE HE HAS MADE A LOT OF
PLEDGES ACCORDING TO THE SOUTH
KOREANS.
PLEDGES THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO
US INCLUDING COMMITTING TO
GIVING UP HIS NUCLEAR
WEAPONS.
>> TO THOSE, GUARANTY.
>> THERE'S NO GUARANTEE.
THE NORTH KOREANS ARE MODESTLY
LYING BUT NONETHELESS, WE ARE
NOT HAVE AN AGREEMENT WHERE
THEY SAY THEY WILL DO
SOMETHING.
WE WILL HAVE A AGREEMENT THAT
SAYS THEY WILL DO SOMETHING
AND WE ENFORCE IT WITH
INSPECTIONS.
THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY WAY WE
CAN TRUST THEM BECAUSE YOU
CAN'T TRUST THEM.
>> AND YOU BELIEVE WE CAN GET
IN THERE AND FIND THE
NECESSARY AGENTS, IF YOU WILL
IN TERMS OF THEIR NUKES?
CAN WE FIND THEM.
>> IF WE DON'T HAVE AN
INSPECTIONS REGIME THERE WILL
NOT BE AN AGREEMENT AND WHAT
THAT MEANS IS THAT WE WILL
JUST CONTINUE THE SANCTIONS TO
THE POINT WHERE THE REGIME IS
GOING TO FALL APART.
IN SOME.
>> YOU DON'T THINK CHINA, YOU
DON'T THINK THEY WILL KEEP
BACK DURING THEIR MONEY.
>> THEY WILL DO THEIR BEST BUT
THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAS
SIGNALED THAT THEY ARE WILLING
TO IMPOSE COSTS ON THEM AND I
HOPE THAT THE ADMINISTRATION
WILL GO FORWARD WITH THAT
BECAUSE WE KNOW THE CHINESE
AND THE RUSSIANS HAVE BEEN
SANCTIONS BUSTING RECENTLY.
>> GORDON, YOU SAY YOU BELIEVE
THAT SEOUL AND WASHINGTON
SHOULD MAINTAIN A RELATIONSHIP
BUT NOW YOU HAVE SOUTH KOREAN
PRESIDENT IN OFFICE, AND HE IS
A LITTLE BIT OF A SHADY
CHARACTER BECAUSE HIS IDEA
WOULD BE PERHAPS SOMETHING
ELSE.
>> HE IS A KOREAN NATIONALIST
WHICH MEANS HE IS FEELING MUCH
CLOSER TO KIM JONG-UN THAN HE
DOES TO PRESIDENT TRUMP AND HE
ALSO LIKES CHINA A LOT BETTER
THAN HE LIKES US.
THE FORTUNATE THING ABOUT ALL
OF THIS IS THAT THE SOUTH
KOREAN PEOPLE ARE ON OUR SIDE
BECAUSE THEY REALIZE THE U.S.
IS THE ONLY GUARANTOR OF THEIR
SAFETY AND PROSPERITY.
MOON IS BOXED IN AND TRUMP HAS
DONE A GOOD JOB OF PREVENTING
MOON TO DO WHAT HE WOULD
OTHERWISE WANT TO DO.
THIS IS A GOOD STORY FOR THE
U.S.
AS LONG AS WE KEEP THEM ON
SITE WE ARE MORE POWERFUL THAN
THOSE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE
DIVIDE.
ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS MAINTAIN
RELATIONSHIP WITH SOUTH KOREA
AND WE WILL BE OKAY.
ARTHEL: DO YOU THINK PRESIDENT
TRUMP MADE THE RIGHT PLAY OR
ARE THERE PITFALLS.
>> THERE ARE TONS OF PITFALLS
BUT IT WAS THE RIGHT PLAY FOR
A NUMBER OF REASONS.
IF THIS ALL GOES SOUTH WHICH
IT COULD DO BECAUSE OF NORTH
KOREANS ARE GOING TO LIVE
THROUGH THEIR TEETH COME THE
POINT IS WE HAVE SANCTIONS, WE
HAVE THE SUPPORT OF SOUTH
KOREA AND WE CAN MANAGE THIS.
WE'VE MANAGED IT FOR SEVEN
DECADES.
SOMETIMES IT HASN'T LOOKED
PRETTY BUT WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN
ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE PEACE.
>> YOU'VE MANAGED IT BUT IT'S
NOT BEEN MANAGED VERY WELL.
ACCORDING TO HIM.
JUST A YES OR NO, DO YOU FEEL
THAT IF KIM JONG-UN IS