>>I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT THE CONVERSATION WAS IN THAT TRUCK.
I'M SURE NOBODY IN THE TRUCK WAS SCREAMING TO STOP.
>>WE DON'T KNOW, THEY MIGHT HAVE.
>>IT SEEMS WEIRD THAT HE WOULD TAKE THEIR LIFE INTO HIS HANDS.
>> IF THEY HAD DIED, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HIS FAULT.
ALTHOUGH THEY WERE PRESENT THERE, THAT WAS THEIR FAULT.
>>WE SAID THIS WHEN WE FIRST FOUND OUT ABOUT THE SHOOTING,
BUT IT IS UNBELIEVABLY OUTRAGEOUS THAT NOT EVERYONE IN
THOSE CARS IS IN JAIL AND CHARGED WITH FELONY MURDER.
THEY
ARE IN THE COMMISSION OF A CRIME, RUNNING AWAY FROM THE
COPS, THE COPS WANT THEM ON MULTIPLE CHARGES, RIGHT?
AND IN THE COMMISSION OF THAT CRIME, SOMEONE DIED.
THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF FELONY MURDER.
SO IF YOU ARE IN THE COMMISSION OF A CRIME, LIKE ROBBING A
BANK, AND YOUR PARTNER GETS SHOT BY THE COPS, YOU GO AWAY
FOR LIFE, YOU MIGHT EVEN BE EXECUTED.
THAT IS FELONY MURDER.
>>THEY COULD DO THAT.
THEY COULD STILL HOLD IT AGAINST THEM.
THEY WOULD BE MASSIVELY UNDERCUT BY THE FACT HE WAS DRIVING.
>>NO, NOT UNDERCUT AT ALL.
FELONY MURDER COULD BE I DROPPED A GUY OFF AT THE BANK AND I LEFT.
YOU DROPPED HIM OFF, HE COMMITTED A CRIME, AND THEN
HE DIED?
>>HE'S SAYING THEY WERE AT THE MERCY OF THAT GUY.
>> BUT THERE IS AN ARGUMENT A LAWYER COULD MAKE, IT IS EQUALLY
PERSUASIVE.
BUT THEY COULD.
>>AGAIN, I WAS JUST ABOUT TO AGREE WITH YOU -- THEY VERY
FREQUENTLY CHARGE THEM WITH FELONY MURDER, ALL THE TIME,
PARTLY TO GET A DEAL, BUT OFTENTIMES IF YOU DON'T DO THE
DEAL, THEY WILL FOLLOW THROUGH.
>>I HAVE COVERED CASES WHERE THEY HAVEN'T, LITERALLY THOSE
CASES.
IT HONESTLY DEPENDS.
AND THE PEOPLE IN THE CAR ARE AT THE
MERCY, AND ALSO SOME OF THEM ARE TEENAGERS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WILL DO.
>> AND THE BODYGUARDS WERE NOT IN THIS CAR, THEY WERE IN THE
OTHER CAR OF AMMON BUNDY.
BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT
FELONY MURDER BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T EVEN ARRESTED.
THEY WERE
IMMEDIATELY RELEASED.
CAN YOU IMAGINE, THERE ARE TWO CARS
FILLED WITH BLACK GUYS WITH GUNS.
ONE OF THEM ALMOST RUNS
OVER A COP, ALMOST SHOOTS A COP WITH A GUN IT TURNS OUT HE
DOES HAVE, AND THEY ARE LIKE, YOU WEREN'T IN THAT CAR AND YOU
WERE JUST THE BODYGUARDS WITH WEAPONS SO YOU ARE FREE TO GO.
>>I WOULD HAVE ASKED HIM THE QUESTION, IF WE HAD TRIED TO
ARREST AMMON BUNDY AT THE ACTUAL REFUGE, IF WE HAD GONE IN TO
ARREST HIM, YOU ARE HIS BODYGUARD, WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE
DONE?
WOULD YOU HAVE BEGUN SHOOTING AT US?
>>WOULD YOU HAVE BODYGUARDED HIM?
>>YOU ARE APPARENTLY BEING PAID TO MURDER US COPS.
>>IT IS TOO EASY.
A BUNCH OF MUSLIM RADICALS, TWO CARS, THEY
ALL HAVE WEAPONS, AND IT IS OKAY BECAUSE TWO OF THEM ARE
BODYGUARDS FOR THE MAIN SHEIK.
AND ONE OF THE CARS GETS INTO
THE SHOOT OUT WITH THE COPS, ALMOST RUNS A COP OVER, AND THEY
ARE LIKE, OH, ABDULLAH ABDULLAH, YOU WERE JUST THE BODYGUARD?
YOU
ARE FREE TO GO.
AND THEN THERE IS AN 18-YEAR-OLD GIRL AND SHE
SAYS, NO, I JUST CAME TO READ THEM MUSLIM POETRY.
YOU ARE FREE TO GO.
>>LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION, CENK.
IF YOU ARE IN CHARGE OF
CHARGING THOSE PEOPLE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS, BUT
LET'S SAY BECAUSE OF HOW THE CULTURE IS, BECAUSE OF THE
ENVIRONMENT, YOU DECIDE TO NOT CHARGE THEM, BECAUSE IF YOU DO
IT WOULD CAUSE BIGGER PROBLEMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE GOT THE
GUY, AND THIS THING IS OVER, LET'S JUST TRY TO GET ON WITH
OUR LIVES, SO YOU DON'T CHARGE THEM.
BUT LET'S SAY THEN YOU DO
CHARGE THEM, AND IT CREATES ALL THIS PROBLEM POLITICALLY --
>>THAT IS THE EASIEST QUESTION OF ALL-TIME.
ON THE SPOT, I WANT
THEM TO SHOW AS MUCH RESTRAINT AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN SO PEOPLE
DON'T GET UNNECESSARILY KILLED.
IT TURNS OUT BECAUSE HE DID WIND
UP HAVING A GUN, WHICH WE DIDN'T KNOW FOR SURE, IT WASN'T
UNNECESSARY AT ALL.
HE WAS GOING TO PULL A GUN, WE KNOW THAT NOW.
I WANT THEM TO SHOW RESTRAINT NONETHELESS.
AFTERWARDS, I WILL
THROW THE BOOK AT THEM.
I WILL PUNISH THEM TO THE MAXIMUM
DEGREE.
FELONY MURDER FOR ALL OF THEM.
AND BECAUSE -- YOU DON'T
GET TO TAKE OVER A FEDERAL BUILDING WITH GUNS AND TELL ME
ABOUT HOW YOU WILL KILL COPS AND GET AWAY WITH IT.
FUCK NO, YOU
DON'T.
LIFE FUCKING SENTENCES.
WE KNOW PEOPLE SERVING LIFE
SENTENCES IN THIS COUNTRY FOR SMOKING POT.
YOU ARE TELLING ME
WE WILL GO LIGHT ON THESE GUYS BECAUSE OF POLITICAL ISSUES?
CAN
YOU IMAGINE?
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF MUSLIM VOTERS IN
DEARBORN, MICHIGAN, SO FOR POLITICAL REASONS WE WILL GO
LIGHT ON SOME JIHADISTS WHO DECIDED TO TAKE OVER FEDERAL
BUILDINGS WHILE ARMED.
WE'D HAVE THAT CONVERSATION?
FUCK NO, WE AREN'T GOING LIGHT ON THEM.
AS HEAVY AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE.
>>I KNOW BERNIE SANDERS WOULDN'T HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
>>I AGREE WITH EVERYBODY GETTING ARRESTED.
REGARDING FELONY
MURDER, BECAUSE IT IS OPEN TO SOME INTERESTING
INTERPRETATIONS, DEPENDING ON WHO IS PROSECUTING.
YOU HAVE TO
BE INVOLVED IN AN INHERENTLY DANGEROUS OFFENSE AT THE TIME,
AND YOU COULD ARGUE THAT INHERENTLY DRIVING THE CAR AWAY
WAS NOT THE DANGEROUS OFFENSE AT THE TIME FOR THE OTHER PEOPLE,
AND NO ONE --
>>I WOULD SAY RAMMING THE POLICE BLOCKADE WOULD BE THE
DANGEROUS OFFENSE.
>>OTHER THAN THE 18-YEAR-OLD GIRL.
>>JIMMY IS ASKING ME WHAT YOU WOULD DO AS THE PROSECUTOR.
YOU ARE FREE TO MAKE THAT DEFENSE, I WILL SEE YOU AT
TRIAL WHEN I CHARGE YOU WITH FELONY MURDER.
>>I WOULD ARGUE THAT THERE ARE PLENTY OF JUDGES -- AND YOU
WOULD LOSE.
>>OH, I GOT THEM ON SECOND-DEGREE HOMICIDE OR
MANSLAUGHTER OR WHATEVER.
SORRY, THAT IS ONLY 28 YEARS.
>>BUT YOU ARE GOING TO KEEP GOING AFTER THEM.
>> UNTIL THE END OF THE EARTH, UNTIL THE MESSAGE IS OUT TO
AMERICANS, WHETHER THEY ARE WHITE, BLACK, MUSLIM, CHRISTIAN,
IT DOESN'T MATTER -- YOU DON'T COME WITH WEAPONS, TAKE OVER
BUILDINGS, AND TELL PEOPLE YOU WILL SHOOT COPS WHO COME TO TAKE
THEM BACK.
THAT IS A FUCKING MESSAGE I WOULD DELIVER AS LOUDLY AS
I POSSIBLY CAN.