>>> GOOD MORNING. WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.
I’M MEGYN KELLY.
DID YOU HAVE A GOOD FOURTH OF
JULY?
JULY? IN THE NORTHEAST IT WAS HOT AND
HUMID.
HUMID. IT WAS LIKE A STEAM ROOM.
IT WAS A GREAT TIME TO BE WITH
FAMILY OR FOR SOME ON NATIONAL
TV, HOSTING AN INDEPENDENCE DAY
SPECTACULAR LIKE TWO OF MY
PANELISTS TODAY.
PANELISTS TODAY. THE GUYS FROM --
>> AMERICAN NINJA WARRIOR.
>> HOW YOU DOING?
GOOD TO SEE YOU.
HI.
HI. IT’S A TESTOSTERONE-FILLED ROOM
THIS MORNING.
THIS MORNING. >> THEY MAKE A NORMAL-SIZED MAN
FEEL SMALL.
FEEL SMALL. >> FOURTH OF JULY.
YOU DID THE BIG SPECTACULAR.
HOW DID IT GO?
>> IT WAS AMAZING.
WE GOT TO GIVE YOU CREDIT.
YOU HAD US ON YESTERDAY WITH
MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES AND
THE MEMBERS OF THE COAST GUARD
WERE KIND ENOUGH TO OFFER US A
RIDE.
RIDE. SO WE STARTED OFF THE SHOW ON A
BOAT.
BOAT. WE WERE ON THE BOAT GOING ACROSS
THE EAST RIVER.
IT WAS INCREDIBLE.
>> THE COAST GUARD, THEY WERE
PICKING UP PRETTY GOOD SPEED.
WE WERE TRYING TO KEEP OUR
BALANCE.
BALANCE. I TRIED TO TAKE THE VEST AFTER
BUT THEY WERE LIKE NO, YOU
CAN’T.
CAN’T. >> THEY DIDN’T SHOW HIM AT THE
FRONT OF THE BOAT GOING I’M KING
OF THE WORLD.
>> I ACTUALLY --
>> LOOK AT YOU TWO GUYS.
>> YOU KNOW, IN THAT CREW THERE
WAS A FERRY GOING BY.
I SAID STOP DRINKING.
I’M WITH THE UNITED STATES COAST
GUARD, AND HE SAID I DON’T THINK
YOU CAN DO THAT.
THAT’S A FELONY.
>> AREN’T THOSE THE GUYS FROM
AMERICAN NINJA WARRIOR?
NO.
NO. >> NO JURISDICTION ON THE EAST
RIVER.
RIVER. >> HOW ABOUT YOU, CRAIG?
>> I HUNG OUT WITH MY FAMILY.
I WORKED YESTERDAY AND AFTER WE
GOT TOGETHER WITH FRIENDS.
I DID NOT GRILL, BUT I ENJOYED
THE WORK OF PEOPLE WHO GRILLED.
>> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. >> AND LOOK AT THAT PICTURE.
>> HOW OLD ARE YOUR BABIES NOW?
>> FOUR AND A YEAR AND A HALF.
MY SON HAD QUITE THE TIME.
VERY EXCITED ABOUT AMERICA’S
INDEPENDENCE.
INDEPENDENCE. >> HOW DID YOU SPEND YOURS?
>> I WENT DOWN TO THE BEACH WITH
MY FAMILY WHERE WE GO EVERY
YEAR.
YEAR. EVERY YEAR THEY HAVE A PARADE
WHERE THEY DECORATE THEIR BIKES
AND THEY CALL THEIR NAMES AND
THEY GO THROUGH A PARADE.
IT WAS SUPER FUN.
I HAVE AN 8 AND 7 AND
4-YEAR-OLD.
4-YEAR-OLD. MY LITTLE GUY IS JUST LEARNING
HOW TO RIDE A TWO-WHEELER.
DOUG’S BEEN WORKING WITH HIM.
DOUG SAID I’M GOING TO GET HIM
STARTED ALONG THE TINY LITTLE
PARADE AREA AND THEN YOU GET HIM
AT THE END.
I SAID FINE, BUT I’M A MOTHER.
I WANTED TO VIDEOTAPE HIS FIRST
TIME.
TIME. SO I -- I HAVE THIS ON CAMERA
FOR YOU.
FOR YOU. HERE’S WHAT HAPPENED.
>> UH-OH.
>> UH-OH. HERE’S THE LITTLE GUY.
>> HE’S DOING WELL.
>> UH-OH.
>> UH-OH. >> LIKE A LITTLE EVIL KNIEVEL.
>> I FORGET THAT I WAS SUPPOSED
TO -- LIKE OH, HE’S SO CUTE.
HE CAN’T STOP.
COULD HAVE GONE RIGHT INTO THE
BAY.
BAY. >> HOW ARE THE ZELER INS?
WE KNOW THEY WERE ABOUT THREE
HOURS AFTER THAT.
YOU SAID THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE
TO WAIT THE WHOLE PARADE.
>> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. THEY WAITED AND IT WAS TERRIBLE.
IT WAS ONLY 08 DEGREES80 DEGREES
FELT LIKE 200.
THE HUMIDITY.
THE HUMIDITY. NO MATTER HOW BADLY THE ZELNERS,
THEY’RE IN THE BACK BECAUSE IT’S
ALPHA LET
ALPHA LET ALPHABETICAL
ALPHABETICAL ALPHABETICAL, BUT NO ONE HAD IT
WORSE THAN THIS WOMAN IN SOUTH
AFRICA.
AFRICA. SHE WAS DECLARED DEAD AND SHE
WASN’T DEAD.
WASN’T DEAD. SHE WOKE UP IN THE MORGUE, IN
THE MORGUE IN THE FREEZER WHERE
SHE’D BEEN DECLARED DEAD AND ONE
OF THE DOCTORS CAME TO CHECK HER
OUT, AND NOTICED THAT THIS DEAD
PERSON WAS BREATHING.
>> THE DOCTOR PROBABLY -- THAT
WAS HIS LAST DAY.
>> SHE CAME BACK TO LIFE.
>> PEOPLE ASK ME WHY I LEFT
MEDICINE THAT WAS NOT THE
REASON.
REASON. BUT I HAVE A FEELING IN SOUTH
AFRICA, HE’S NOT GOING TO HAVE A
DOCTOR ANYMORE.
DOCTOR ANYMORE. >> IT WASN’T DOCTORS.
APPARENTLY IN SOUTH AFRICA YOU
CAN GET TREATED BY PRIVATE EMTs
WHO SHOW UP.
IT WAS THE PRIVATE EMTs WHO
DECLARED HER DEAD.
ONLY, SHE WAS NOT DEAD.
AND APPARENTLY THIS IS NOT -- I
DON’T WANT TO SAY IT’S COMMON,
BUT IT’S NOT UNHEARD OF.
OUR RESEARCHERS WENT THROUGH AND
FOUND ALL THESE CASES.
FIRST, IT’S CALLED TAPAPHOBIA,
THE FEAR OF BEING BURIED ALIVE.
>> THAT’S A PRETTY NORMAL FEAR.
I DON’T KNOW WHY THAT’S A NAME.
>> 2014 A 91-YEAR-OLD WOMAN IN
POLAND WHO WAS DECLARED DEAD AND
WOKE UP IN THE MORGUE AND ASKED
FOR HOT TEA AND PANCAKES.
GET ME A LAWYER.
>> THIS REMIND ME OF PONTE
PYTHON.
PYTHON. BRING OUT YOUR DEAD, AND THEY’RE
LIKE I’M NOT DEAD YET.
YES, YOU ARE.
>> THIS WOMAN, AS I UNDERSTAND
IT, SHE WAS IN A CAR ACCIDENT
WAS LYING THERE WITH OTHER
PEOPLE WHO WERE OBVIOUSLY DEAD.
MAYBE THEY ASSUMED BECAUSE SHE
WASN’T MOVING?
WASN’T MOVING? >> NO.
>> NO. THERE’S A CONDITION.
THEY CHECK YOU.
I’M TRYING TO READ MY SCIENCE.
IT’S CALLED PRESUMED DEAD PEOPLE
HAVE HEART BEAT AND BREATHING
SLOW DOWN TO ALMOST
IMPERCEPTIBLE LEVELS.
IMPERCEPTIBLE LEVELS. MY HUSBAND DOUG, HE LIVES IN
FEAR SOMEBODY IS GOING TO SAY
THIS HAS HAPPENED TO HIM.
IT’S WHY HE WANTS TO BE BURIED
IN AN ABOVEGROUND MOS KEY YUM
WITH CELL PHONES THAT ARE
LARGING.
LARGING. >> THERE’S SUPPOSED TO BE A
CHECK.
CHECK. THE ARTERIES AND THE BLOOD
PRESSURE.
PRESSURE. YOU’D THINK IF THIS IS A PRIVATE
EMT GOING IN TO SERVICE THEM,
DIDN’T THEY GO THROUGH THE
PROPER CHECKS.
PROPER CHECKS. >> IN THE FIELD, IT’S DIFFICULT.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS IN
MEDICINE IS ONCE A DIAGNOSIS IS
MADE, THE HARDEST THING IS TO
REVERSE IT.
REVERSE IT. >> EVEN DEATH?
EVEN IF YOU’RE DECLARED DEAD?
>> I’M TELLING YOU, THEY’RE
DEAD.
DEAD. THEY’RE SPEAKING.
THEY’RE SPEAKING. I DON’T KNOW WHAT’S GOING ON,
BUT I SAID IT.
THEY’RE DEAD.
THEY’RE DEAD. >> MAN.
>> MAN. >> THAT’S TERRIFYING TO ME.
I CAN’T IMAGINE WAKING UP AND
UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU’RE IN A
MORGUE.
MORGUE. YOU’RE IN A FREEZER AND THERE’S
SOMEBODY TALKING TO YOU.
ANYWAY, GOOD LUCK IN THE
RECOVERY.
RECOVERY. WE DON’T KNOW THE IDENTITY OR
HER CONDITION, BUT SHE’S
DECLINING TO MAKE HERSELF
PUBLIC.
PUBLIC. HOPEFULLY THAT’S A GOOD SIGN
THAT SHE’S MAKING DECISIONS.
>>> ON THE SUBJECT OF DECISIONS,
SCARLET JOHANSSON HAS MADE ONE.
IT’S CAUSED CONTROVERSY.
SHE’S GOING TO BE STARRING IN A
NEW FILM CALLED "RUB AND TUG".
SHE’S GOING TO BE PLAYING --
>> WAIT.
>> WAIT. WHAT’S IT CALLED?
>> STOP THAT.
I KNOW.
I KNOW. I MEAN, IT’S -- YOU KNOW, HAVE
YOU EVER HEARD THAT?
YEAH.
YEAH. HERE IN NEW YORK IT’S A TERM FOR
A DIRTY MASSAGE.
IF YOU WANT THE X-RATED MASSAGE.
I’M SORRY.
I’M SORRY. THAT’S WHAT THEY SAY.
>> I THOUGHT IT WAS LIKE FIELD
DAY.
DAY. NO.
NO. OKAY.
OKAY. >> I DON’T KNOW WHAT CIRCLES
I’VE BEEN HANGING OUT IN.
I APOLOGIZE.
I APOLOGIZE. THAT’S THE NAME OF THE MOVIE
SHE’S GOING TO BE PLAYING A
PERSON WHO IS A TRANSGENDER
WOMAN WHO IDENTIFIED AS -- I’M
SORRY.
SORRY. TRANSGENDER MAN IDENTIFIED AS A
MAN BUT WAS ASSIGNED FEMALE AT
BIRTH.
BIRTH. SOME OF THE TRANSGENDER
COMMUNITY ARE UPSET SAYING WHY
CAN’T YOU GET A TRANS PERSON TO
PLAY A TRANS ROLE?
ARE THEY ONTO SOMETHING?
>> NO.
>> NO. YOU HAVE TO FIRST DEFIND ACTING.
ACTING IS CREATING A REAL
BEHAVIOR IN THE IMAGINARY WORLD
OF SCRIPT.
OF SCRIPT. AND YOU CAN GET OTHER PEOPLE TO
PLAY CERTAIN ROLES.
WE’VE SEEN IT WITH COMING TO
AMERICA.
AMERICA. EDDIE MURPHY PLAYED A WHITE MAN.
THE
THE >> THEY ALSO PLAYED BLACK
CHARACTERS IN THE SAME FILM.
>> YES, BUT I GUESS MY POINT IS
WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, THAT’S THE
FLEXIBILITY OF IT.
AND SO TO SAY THAT ALL OF A
SUDDEN THAT A WOMAN COULDN’T
PLAY IN AN IMAGINARY WORLD OF
SCRIPT COULDN’T PLAY A TRANS
TRANSGENDER TAKES FROM THE
CREATIVITY OF HOLLYWOOD.
LOOK AT LAVERN COX WITH "ORANGE
IS THE BLUE BLACK" BUT THERE
AREN’T ENOUGH TRANSGENDERS LIKE
HER.
HER. >> THEIR RESPONSE IS IF WE GET
CAST IN MORE ROLES, THERE MIGHT
BE MORE SUPERSTAR TRANSGENDER
ACTORS.
ACTORS. >> SHE JUST HAD THIS EXACT THING
HAPPEN WITH THE LAST MOVIE WHICH
WAS THE SAME DIRECTOR.
IT WAS BASED ON A COMIC THAT WAS
AN ASIAN CHARACTER THAT SHE
PLAYED.
PLAYED. SHE WAS ACCUSED OF WHITEWASHING
IT.
IT. SHE’S GOING THROUGH IT ONCE
AGAIN.
AGAIN. THAT MOVIE DIDN’T DO
PARTICULARLY WELL.
PARTICULARLY WELL. I THINK IT’S REALLY HARD.
AS AN ACTOR TO TURN DOWN A ROLE.
PEOPLE ARE SAYING SHE’S
FINANCIALLY SET, BUT I THINK
CREATIVELY YOU WANT TO BE
CHALLENGED, AND YOU THINK BACK
TO TOM HANKS WHERE HE DID
"PHILADELPHIA" "FOREST GUMP", HE
WASN’T ANY OF THOSE CHARACTERS.
HE WAS ACTING.
>> THAT’S A GOOD POINT.
THE TOM HANKS EXAMPLE IS A GOOD
ONE.
ONE. HE PLAYED A GAY MAN, AND HE’S
NOT A GAY MAN, BUT HE DREW SO
MUCH ATTENTION IN THE ROLE.
HE WAS AN OSCAR WINNER AND THE
MOVIE DID SO MUCH GOOD FOR THE
COMMUNITY.
COMMUNITY. DID THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT MORE
OR SUFFER MORE?
HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD HAVE GONE
IF THEY CAST SOMEBODY LESSER
KNOWN THAN HANKS.
>> AND FELICITY HUFFMAN DID IT?
>> -- TRANSPARENT, WHEN THEY WON
THE EMMY, HE SAID I HOPE I’M THE
LAST SIS GENDER PERSON IN A
TRANSGENDER ROLE.
TRANSGENDER ROLE. SCARLET JOHANSSON IS A BANKABLE
NAME.
NAME. THEIR ARGUMENT IS HOW DO WE GET
BANKABLE IF WE DON’T GET THE
ROLES.
ROLES. >> IT ALSO IS A POTENTIAL
PROBLEM IF YOU SAY YOU CAN ONLY
PLAY WHAT YOU ARE.
THEN CAN --
>> WE CAN ONLY PLAY INCREDIBLY
HANDSOME MEN.
HANDSOME MEN. >> BUT YOU DON’T WANT THE
TRANS COMMUNITY TO BE TOLD THEY
CAN’T PLAY SIS GENDER ROLES.
>> IT’S A COMPLICATED QUESTION.
>> IT IS.
>> IT IS. >> WE’VE HAD A NUMBER OF
CONVERSATIONS ON THIS SHOW ABOUT
LGBT ISSUES AND THE TRANSGENDER
COMMUNITY.
COMMUNITY. THESE ARE ONLY QUESTIONS ASKED
IN VARIOUS FORMS OVER THE NEXT
FEW YEARS.
FEW YEARS. I DON’T KNOW THE ANSWER.
>> THE GOOD THING IS IT IS
PROMPTING A DISCUSSION AND
TRANSGENDER PEOPLE ARE --
>> I FORGOT YOU WERE AN ACTOR IN
ADDITION TO YOUR MANY ROLES.
>> I WAS ON "GENERAL HOSPITAL"
WHERE I’M A -- I’M A DOCTOR.
WAIT UNTIL YOU HERE THIS.
I’M THE DOCTOR ON "GENERAL
HOSPITAL".
HOSPITAL". THEY’RE LIKE NO, WE DON’T
BELIEVE YOU AS A DOCTOR.
>> HE’S AN ACTUAL DOCTOR.
HE WENT TO PRINCETON.
>> THEY DID BELIEVE ME AS A DATE
RAPING KIDNAPPER.
RAPING KIDNAPPER. >> WOW.
>> WOW. >> TALK ABOUT STEREO TYPE.
>> I WAS RECOGNIZED BY WOMEN FOR
THAT.
THAT. YOU WERE ON "GENERAL HOSPITAL".
I’LL GET MY OWN DRINK.
>> SCARLET JOHANSSON’S PUBLICIST
GAVE A RESPONSE SAYING TELL THEM
THAT THEY ARE, MEANING THE
CRITICS CAN BE DIRECTED TO REPS
FOR COMMENT.
FOR COMMENT. THAT ALSO GET BLOWBACK.
THIS IS A WORLD IN WHICH
BLOWBACK RESULTS IN BLOWBACK AND
MORE.
MORE. AND WHEN WE COME BACK, WE’RE
GOING TO TALK ABOUT A TROPHY FOR
EVERYONE.
EVERYONE. OUR COUNTRY’S LATEST STEP TOWARD
THE EVERYONE’S A WINNER