PAST. >> I WANT TO GET GENE AND COME
BACK. I WANT TO SAY IN THREE THREE HO
FROM NOW THE MAN ACCUSED OF RAMMING HIS CAR INTO A CROWD IS
EXPECTED TO BE ARRAIGNED. JAMES ALEX FIELDS FACES SEVERAL
CHARGES INCLUDING HIT AND RUN AND SECOND DEGREE MURDER FOR THE
DEATH OF A 32-YEAR-OLD HEATHER HEYER.
AT LEAST 19 MORE WERE INJURED. ALL HAVE BEEN RELEASED FROM
HOSPITAL OR LISTED IN GOOD CONDITION.
WE ALSO HAVE THIS VIDEO OF THE SUSPECT DIVING AWAY FROM THE
SCENE OF THE CRASH. LIVES IN OHIO.
>> HE JUST KILLED SOMEONE. >> YES, AND HE'S JUST PULLING
AWAY FROM THE SCENE. HE TRAVELED TO CHARLOTTESVILLE
TO ATTEND THIS RALLY. HIS HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER SAYS
FIELDS SYMPATHIZED WITH NAZIISM AND IDOLIZED IE ADOLPH HITLER.
HEATHER HEYER HAD A GOOD GROUP OF FRIENDS.
>> HER ENTIRE LIFE HAS BEEN PASSIONATE ABOUT JUSTICE FOR
EVERYONE, AND FAIRNESS. AND FAIR TREATMENT, AND YOU'D
BETTER BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN TO HER WHY SOMETHING WAS TRUE OR NOT
TRUE, WHY IT HAD TO BE THAT WAY AS A CHILD THAT COULD BE
MADDENING. AND AS A PARENT, THAT COULD BE
DIFFICULT AND CHALLENGING, BUT NEVERTHELESS, I ENCOURAGED AND
ALLOWED HER TO BE STRONG-WILLED, NOT THAT I PROBABLY COULD HAVE
CHANGED HER EVEN IF I'D WANTED. >> THE OTHER SAD ELEMENT OF THIS
STORY, THE DEATH OF TWO VIRGINIA STATE TROOPERS WHOSE HELICOPTER
WENT DOWN WHILE MONITORING THE RALLY.
ONE OF THEM WHOSE BIRTHDAY WAS THE FOLLOWING DAY.
>> GENE, I'LL LET YOU TAKE IT AWAY.
DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN TWEETING THIS MORNING.
HE HAS THREE TWEETS. ONE ANNOUNCING HE'S GOING BACK
TO WASHINGTON TO TALK TRADE AND MILITARY.
ANOTHER HIS ENDORSEMENT OF LUTHER STRANGE IN THE PRIMARY IN
ALABAMA. AND THEN THE MOST RECENT ONE,
THE OBSTRUCTIONIST DEMOCRATS HAVE GIVEN US SOME OF THE WORST
TRADE DEALS IN HISTORY. I'M CHANGING THAT FAST.
NOTHING TODAY, AND PERHAPS NOTHING AGAIN DIRECTLY AT LEAST
FROM THE PRESIDENT ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN CHARLOTTESVILLE.
>> YEAH. I MEAN, AT SOME POINT TODAY
MAYBE THEY'LL GET HIM TO ISSUE SOMETHING, SOMETHING MORE, BUT
REMEMBER, DONALD TRUMP DID NOT JUST RECEIVE THE SUPPORT OF
WHITE SUPREMACISTS. HE INVITED IT.
HE WELCOMED IT. HE LED THE BIRTHER MOVEMENT,
WHICH HAS VERY CLEAR NOT JUST RACIAL OVERTONES BUT RACIAL
CONTENT. HE TWEETED IN 2014 THAT
PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS DOING SUCH A BAD JOB THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE
ANOTHER BLACK PRESIDENT FOR DECADES.
THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT HOW HE SAW RACE AND HOW HE SAW BLACKNESS
AND WHITENESS. SO THIS IS NOT A NEW DONALD
TRUMP. THIS IS WHO DONALD TRUMP IS.
>> WHAT THIS DOES IN BUILDING IT, WHAT IT SAYS TO JUNG PEOPLE
AND YOUNG PEOPLE ASPIRING TO GO INTO POLITICS AND EVEN LUTHER
STRANGE BEING ENDORSED BY THIS PRESIDENT, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE
TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS. SOMETHING WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT
AS A COUNTRY, DONALD TRUMP ACHIEVED A HIGHER VOTE OF
AFRICAN AMERICANS THAN McCAIN AND ROMNEY.
HE ALSO ACHIEVED A HIGHER VOTE GET OF LATINA VOTERS THAN McCAIN
AND ROMNEY. AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO STEP
BACK. WE HAVE TO WONDER WHO ARE WE AND
WHAT WERE WE THINKING AS A COUNTRY.
AFRICAN AMERICANS AND LATINA VOTERS, WHAT WERE WE THINKING WE
WERE GOING TO GET OUT OF THIS GUY THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN THE
WAY HE CAMPAIGNED. I'M NOT ASKING FOR AN ANSWER,
BUT IT'S INTERESTING IN PROPER CONTEXT.
>> I THINK THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
WE ARE CALLED DURING THE CAMPAIGN, THERE WAS A LOT OF
CRITICISM OF HILLARY CLINTON'S OR BILL CLINTON'S ROLE IN MASS
INCARCERATION, AND THERE HAD BEEN ATTEMPTS TO SORT OF COOL
OFF ANY SORT OF AFRICAN AMERICAN ARDOR FOR HER CANDIDACY.
I THINK THAT WAS AT LEAST PARTLY SUCCESSFUL.
BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. WE SHOULD LOOK AT WHY IN THE
WORLD DID PEOPLE -- DID BLACK FOLKS AND LATINOS VOTE FOR
DONALD TRUMP AND WHAT DID THEY EXPECT?
I CAN TELL YOU WHAT THEY'RE GETTING.
>> BOB, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT MANY OF THE REPUBLICANS ON
CAPITOL HILL THAT YOU COVER BREAKING WITH THE PRESIDENT ON
THE RHETORIC OF SATURDAY, AND COMING UP FORCELY WHETHER IT'S
RUBIO OR CRUZ OR KASICH OR LINDSEY GRAHAM.
CONDEMNING IN CLEAR TERMS. RUBIO CALLING IT AN ACT OF
TERRORISM. WHETHER THIS IS A BREAKING POINT
BETWEEN CONGRESSIONAL REPUBLICANS AND THE PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES. BUT I WOULD JUST GO BACK TIME
AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN WHEN WE'VE ASKED THIS QUESTION IS
THIS A BRIDGE TOO FAR FOR REPUBLICANS GOING BACK TO THE
COMMENTS ABOUT JOHN McCAIN AT THE OUTSET OF THE PRESIDENTIAL
CAMPAIGN, THEY'VE ALWAYS FOUND A WAY BACK TO DONALD TRUMP.
DO YOU THINK IT'S DIFFERENT THIS TIME?
>> IT'S HARD TO SAY IF IT'S DIFFERENT.
THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY TIMES WHERE PRESIDENT TRUMP OR
CANDIDATE TRUMP HAD CONTROVERSIAL SITUATIONS
INFLAMED, DIFFERENT NATIONAL MOMENTS AND THE REPUBLICANS
ISSUED DENUNCIATIONS OF THE STATEMENTS OR CONDEMNATIONS EVEN
BUT THEY'VE ALWAYS COME BACK TO HIM.
THEY VOTED MOST OF THEM DID, IN INVOLVE FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP TRU.
VERY QUICKLY, I JUST -- ALL THIS REMIND ME OF A CONVERSATION I
HAD WITH THEN CANDIDATE TRUMP IN 2015.
I ASKED HIM ABOUT RACE IN 1968 CAMPAIGN OF NIXON.
IT WAS TELLING BACK THEN LIKE NOW.
HE SHRUGGED OFF THOSE KINDS OF QUESTIONS.
THERE'S A REAL GAP BETWEEN HOW PRESIDENT TRUMP THINKS THROUGH
THE ISSUES AND HOW WE IN THE PRESS AND OTHERS IN THE PARTY
DO. HE KEPT COMING BACK TO A POINT,
I'M THE LEAST RACIST PERSON YOU'VE MET.
I'M GOING TO DO BETTER WITH BLACK AND HISPANIC VOTERS THAN
YOU CAN IMAGINE. HE HAS A BELIEF THE WAY WE COVER
AND TALK ABOUT THESE ISSUES IS OFF TO HIM, AND HE DOES NOT WANT
TO ENGAGE. SO THERE SEEMS TO BE DAY TODAY,
THIS CLAMOR FOR HIM TO RESPOND IN A NEW WAY, AND HE CONTINUES
TO RESIST IT, EVEN AS HIS PARTY SAYS PLEASE, BEHIND THE SCENES,
RESPOND IN A DIFFERENT WAY. HE REFUSES TO ENGAGE, BECAUSE HE
DOES NOT LIKE THE CONTEXT OF THIS ENTIRE NATIONAL DISCUSSION.
>> IF YOU LOOK AT THAT STATEMENT THE WHITE HOUSE PUT OUT
YESTERDAY, NOT SIGNED FROM THE PRESIDENT.
IT WAS NOT DIRECTLY FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP.
IT WAS ALMOST LIKE OKAY, FINE, YOU GUYS WIN.
WE'LL SAY WHAT YOU WANT US TO SAY.
RELUCTANTLY PUTTING OUT A STATEMENT AND SAYING THIS IS
WHAT HE MENTAL. HE CONDEMNED ALL RACISM.
OF COURSE THAT INCLUDES WHITE SUPREMACISTS, AND ALL EXTREMIST
GROUPS. DO YOU THINK THE WHITE HOUSE
FEELS LIKE IT'S TURNED THE PAGE ON THIS AND THEY CAN WALK AWAY
FROM IT? >> IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME.
I THINK THERE'S PEOPLE IN THE WHITE HOUSE WHO ARE PUSHING FOR
THAT STATEMENT AND PULLING THEIR HAIR OUT, AND I ALSO THINK THAT
THE PRESIDENT SAYS SEEINGS THES DISCUSSIONS IN TERMS OF WHAT IT
TAKES AWAY FROM HIM. TO SAY THIS IS BAD IS GIVING
INTO HIS CRITICS. THAT'S A NARROW PRIZM.
HE DOESN'T START WITH THE THOUGHT THAT THOSE PEOPLE ARE
BAD, I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE BAD. HE SAYS IF I PUT OUT A
STATEMENT, THEN I'M GIVING INTO MY CRITICS WHO SAY I'M NOT DOING
ENOUGH. IT'S STRANGE TO ME THAT THAT IS
HIS DRIVING OR SEEMS TO BE HIS DRIVING MOTIVATION IN THE
ENCOUNTERS INSTEAD OF WHAT'S RIGHT AND WRONG.
>> I THINK WE HAVE TO STOP THE CALCULUS OF HE'S PLAYING TO HIS
BASE. AND I'D LOVE EVERYBODY'S
OPINION. I HAD ALWAYS EARLY ON FELT HE'S
NOT A RACIST. HE'S HORRIBLY MANIPULATIVE, BUT
HE'S PLAYING THE GAME TO GET WHERE HE NEEDS TO GET.
WE HAVE TO STOP THAT. HE'S BEING POLITICAL AND JUST A
RACIST. YOU COULDN'T AS A HUMAN RESPOND
ANY OTHER WAY. WE HAVE TO STOP GIVING HIM AIR
COVER OF A POLITICAL DISCUSSION OR STRATEGY VERSUS CORE HUMAN
VALUES OF RACISM. GENE, TO YOUR POINT, THIS IS NOT
NEW, BUT THERE WAS ALWAYS THAT LITTLE OUT, WELL, THE ENDS
JUSTIFY THE MEANS. IT'S DISGUSTING BUT, AND THERE'S
NO BUT ANYMORE. >> I DON'T SEE THE BUT.
I'M REMINDED OF SOMETHING MAYA ANG AN JA LIEU ONCE SAID TO
OPRAH WINFREY. WHEN SOMEBODY TELLS YOU WHO THEY
ARE, WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BE TOLD 17 TIMES BEFORE YOU BELIEVE HIM?
INCIDENT AFTER STATEMENT AFTER CONTROVERSY OVER THE YEARS, WHY
DON'T WE BELIEVE DONALD TRUMP? WHY DON'T WE BELIEVE HE MEANS
WHAT HE SEEMS TO MEAN? WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY BLATANT
RACISM AS FAR AS I CAN SEE. >> RICHARD, IN THE BACKGROUND OF
THIS, BEFORE THIS BUBBLED UP, WE HAD THE PROSPECT OF A NUCLEAR
EXCHANGE WITH NORTH KOREA IN THE HEADLINES, AND THEN AS WE PLAYED
A MINUTE AGO, THE PRESIDENT RAISED THE POSSIBILITY OF A
MILITARY STRIKE AGAINST VENEZUELA.
OUT OF THE CLEAR BLUE SKY. WHAT IS THE EFFECT OF THE
PRESIDENT APPEARING THE WAY HE DID THIS WEEKEND AT HOME ABROAD?
WHAT DOES THE WORLD SEE WHEN IT WATCHES THIS?
>> IT DIMINISHES THE AUTHORITY OF THIS PRESIDENT.
IT DIMINISHES THE AUTHORITY OF THE UNITED STATES.
BY DEFINITION, IF YOU'RE AN AMERICAN ALLY, YOU'VE
ESSENTIALLY PUT YOUR EGGS IN OUR BASKET.
YOU'VE GIVEN US THE TRUST FOR YOUR SECURITY.
OVER TIME, THIS WILL UNDERMINE THAT TRUST.
AND EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, I THINK THAT'S AN AMERICAN ALLY
NOW HAS A LITTLE FILE CALLED HEDGING AGAINST THE UNITED
STATES. THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS
PRESIDENT IS GOING TO DO. THEY DON'T KNOW HOW LONG HE'S
GOING TO BE PRESIDENT. THEY DON'T KNOW IF HE'S AN
ABERRATION OR NOW THE FUTURE. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT SUCCEEDS HIM.
IS THIS THE NEW UNITED STATES. I THINK THE POST AMERICAN WORLD
IS COMING ABOUT IN PART BECAUSE WE SET IT IN MOTION.
WE HAVE CREATED DOUBTS ABOUT THE UNITED STATES AND OUR
WILLINGNESS AND ABILITY TO BE THERE.
>> DOES THE WORLD HEAR HIM UP THERE SAYING WE MIGHT WANT A
MILITARY STRIKE ON VENEZUELA AND SAY THAT'S JUST HIM RUNNING HIS
MOUTH, OR DO THEY HAVE TO BECAUSE IT'S THE UNITED STATES
SAYING WE NEED TO PREPARE FOR THAT POSSIBILITY NOW.
>> THE ANSWER IS THEY DO HAVE TO TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S SERIOUS AND WHAT'S NOT.
WHAT HE SAID ON KOREA. THE ONLY IRONIC THING ON NORTH
KOREA IS IT'S PUSHED IT A LITTLE BIT BACK.
AND YOU SEE THE MARKETS TAKING A BREATH.
YOU HAVE COMMENTS ABOUT POMPEO SAYING WAR IS NOT IMMINENT.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE NORTH KOREA WAS LAST WEEK, NOW IT'S
CHARLOTTESVILLE. THERE'S A SENSE OF WHIPLASH
WHERE W THIS PRESIDENCY. >> THE PROSPECT OF NUCLEAR WAR
WAS PUSHED TO THE SIDE. ONLY THIS PRESIDENT COULD
ACCOMPLISH THAT. >> IT'S NOT THE KIND OF THING WE
STUDIED WITH INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS IN COLLEGE.
>> INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS, THE THREAT IN VENEZUELA BECAUSE OF
THEIR PROXIMITY, CANADA BETTER KEEP THEIR ACT TOGETHER.
TRUDEAU BETTER KEEP