Former President Donald Trump could be facing additional criminal
indictments this summer.
That's news coming from the Fulton County District Attorney,
Fani Willis, who has sent a letter to a top law enforcement official in
the state of Georgia to essentially set a timeline in regard to when they
can expect criminal charges if she files criminal charges against Trump.
Now, this particular investigation has to do with Trump's efforts to overturn
the results of the 2020 election in Georgia.
In her letter, Willis, again, the District Attorney in Fulton County,
Georgia, said that any charges would come during the court term
that runs between July 11 and September 1 of this year.
Her office has spent more than two years investigating whether Trump and
his cronies illegally meddled in Georgia's 2020 election.
Trump did lose that state to Biden, and after he did,
he hit up the election officials in the state to basically demand that they find
ballots that would overturn the results of the election from Biden to Trump.
In fact, there's some evidence to that point, and here it is.
>> I just want to find 11,780 votes,
which is one more that we have because we won the state.
The people of Georgia are angry, the people of the country are angry.
And there's nothing wrong with saying that you've recalculated.
>> CBS News has confirmed that this was one of at least 18 attempted calls from
the White House to Secretary Raffensperger.
>> Now, Willis has a tough case ahead of her because there's just really a lack of
evidence here.
What is she going to do?
How would she bring these charges, considering the lack of evidence?
Cenk. >> Yeah.
So this has a ton of political implications, obviously, right?
And I think that there might be a tipping point issue in terms of this beginning to
finally hurt Donald Trump.
We'll get to that in a second.
In terms of the substance of it, look,
I'm not of the same mind as a lot of other pundits, so
I think that the Stormy Daniels case is actually the most open and shut.
He definitely did it.
His co-conspirator went to prison for three years.
People say, we just got him on hush money to a porn star.
I don't care what it's about.
Did he break the law?
Didn't he? And how much evidence do you have?
On that case, we have overwhelming evidence.
In this case in Georgia, it should be a lot tougher to prove,
because you have to prove that he didn't just ask for
votes to be found that were legitimately his, but votes to be found that
were not legitimately his, and rigged the election, right?.
So it's super easy to get away with this crime by just being a little vague, right?
The problem for Trump is he's an idiot and he can't be a little vague.
>> Actually, the specificity in the number of ballots he wanted Raffensperger
to find is pretty incredible.
>> No, guys, the only way that you could get convicted for
this crime is to do exactly what Trump just did.
>> It's amazing.
>> He's like, I need 11,780 votes.
No, you're supposed to say, hey, are you sure the recount is right, right?
Now, first of all, you're not supposed to do any of that.
You're supposed to accept the democratic elections as they actually are,
not as you wish them to be, right?
But, by the way, asking Georgia election officials or
any state officials, are you sure?
I have a legal right to recount.
A hand recount.
No problem.
>> There's nothing wrong with that.
>> Zero.
And in fact, Georgia did several of those recounts, including a hand recount.
So Trump asking for those is not remotely illegal, right?
But when after all that is done, he calls and
says, give me 11,780 votes, one more than I need to win.
And then he says, why don't you recalculate, instead of saying,
hey, are you sure that you got the count right?
Are you sure that you don't have any missing ballots?
He's being as brazenly illegal as he could possibly be.
You know how he likes to say, I had a perfect call in his first impeachment.
I had a perfect call with the leader of Ukraine.
This kind of was a perfect call in the opposite direction.
>> It's a perfect call for the prosecution.
>> Exactly. >> Right.
So, obviously, I was being sarcastic when I noted that there was a lack of evidence.
There's clearly some pretty significant evidence.
You just heard it.
Now, let's rewind a little bit to kind of give you the background on this
investigation and this case.
Because prior to the possibility of criminal indictments being brought
forth to a jury, a grand jury, there was a special jury involved, right?
So what happened with this special jury?
Special jury that heard evidence in the case for
roughly seven months, recommended more than a dozen people for
indictments, and its forewomen strongly hinted in an interview
with The New York Times in February that Trump was among them.
So I actually went back to read that piece from back in February by
The New York Times to see what the actual statement was.
The forewoman that they're referring to as Emily Kohrs asked
whether the jurors had recommended indicting Trump,
Kohrs would not answer directly, but said, you're not going to be shocked.
It's not rocket science.
It's not going to be some giant plot twist.
You probably have a fair idea of what may be in there.
I'm trying very hard to say that delicately.
So that was the provocative statement that she gave to The Times back in February.
Real quick before I go to you, Cenk, but keep in mind that ultimately it is up
to Fani Willis, the prosecutor, to make the decision as to who gets charged,
what the charges might be, and she will bring those charges to a grand jury
to move forward with this case if she chooses to.
But it does seem as though she intends to move forward with this case.
>> So, Ana is giving you the facts, I'll give you the analysis.
Two things.
Number one, yeah, they're definitely indicting Trump.
And number two, meaning that he's among the twelve.
And number two, they're definitely going to go forward with it.
And so why do I say that?
Especially given that there's a lot of talk about Trump indictments and it's
taken forever and ever and ever, and most of the time it's just a lot of baloney and
just Democrats trying to grab headlines.
In this case, in her letter, she talks over and
over again about the need for security.
>> Yes.
>> They don't need security for eleven other bozos, okay?
So it's like, my God, they have indicted Jim Jablonski,
who was helping Trump at the local level.
That guy is under a bus already, right?
He's under a tank.
Trump is not going to give him a dime.
No one cares.
His voters don't care.
No, the only reason you need that kind of massive security is because Trump is
among the names, and you're definitely going to indict him, okay?
>> Right, in her letter, just to give you even more context,
was sent to Sheriff Patrick Labat, I actually want to read excerpts from
the letter to kind of buttress what Cenk is saying here in regard to the calls for
additional security when these indictments are announced.
She writes, quote, in the near future, I will announce charging decisions resulting
from the investigation my office has been conducting into possible criminal
interference in the administration of Georgia's 2020 General Election.
I am providing this letter to bring to your attention the need for heightened
security and preparedness in coming months due to this pending announcement.
>> Yes, they're definitely indicting him.
>> By the way, she has some members of her staff wear bulletproof vests.
>> I know, yeah. >> Which is crazy.
>> It is, but on the other hand, right wingers are violent.
And so-. >> No,
I'm not saying it's crazy that she's having them wear the vest,
it's crazy that we live in this era where political violence has become normalized.
>> Yeah, it's so normal that we have to prepare for it ahead of time, etc.
All right, so let's get to the beef, which is how does this affect the election and
politics and stuff?
So, look, I always believe that first, when everybody said,
after the midterms, Trump is done, you saw us here say that's not remotely true.
Trump not only still has a great chance, but
he wavers from a 50 50 election to being the overwhelming favorite.
He was never, ever the underdog.
So there was too much hype about the demise of Donald Trump that was
never true.
Now they're in reverse and they say, my God, he got indicted.
That only helps him in the polling.
It's over. Trump's
definitely going to be the candidate, that's also not true.
And so one indictment is one thing, but three or four of them,
it starts to pile up and people get tired, right?
Even hardcore MAGA never gets tired.
But the rest of the Republican electorate,
as much as you can make a distinction between hardcore MAGA and
93% of Republicans that voted for Trump last time.
So when this one comes in, as it looks like it's definitely gonna come in, and
probably at least a third one comes in,
I think that Republican voters are gonna start to get really worried, right?
And by the way, a huge point in my favor in that kind of prediction, or
whatever you wanna call it, is that after he got the initial bump from
the first indictment in the last couple of weeks, he's lost ten points.
So it went up and then now it's coming back down.
The thing is, he needs someone who's really good at this to knock his
ass out in the midst of all of these legal troubles, etc.
Not necessarily now, but as the indictments pile up.
Well, I don't know that we got that, guys, you'll see in the later in the show,
DeSantis is weak and Trump is pummeling him.
>> Trump is pummeling him and has now put out one of the most vicious and
I would argue effective ads against DeSantis.
I can't wait to show that to you guys and talk about that in more detail.
But I think, I don't know, my prediction on this is a little different, Cenk,
I think that Trump is inevitably going to win the Republican nomination, and when
it really comes down to it, the election will be decided by independent voters.
So is this gonna turn independent voters off?
Are they willing to overlook some of Biden's flaws and vote for
him, considering all the chaos that comes along with Trump?
That's the real question, and we'll see how it plays out.
>> Yeah, look, this election could be the most boring and
worst election of our lifetimes as it's a Biden and Trump rematch.
Literally nobody in the country wants that except hardcore MAGA and
hardcore establishment knuckleheads Democrats in DC.
But those are like 14 guys, right?
The rest of the Democratic Party doesn't want it either.
But, yeah, it certainly could be that, or you got wild cards galore.
I mean, this guy, if he's indicted three, four times, really,
he's gonna run in the midst of all those court cases.
Remember, Trump might make a deal and to get out of the race, but
to get rescued from all these indictments.
So, who knows, right?
And then on the Democratic side, Biden's gonna make it all the way to the election?
I don't know.