Ok so Venom Let There Be Carnage has a pretty big post credits scene that sets up a lot
of things not only for the sony verse but also the MCU.
Throughout this video we're gonna be breaking down the entire thing and also talking about
how it lines up with the comics, what we think it means for the future and hopefully answering
your questions before you even ask them.
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chance to check out the movie then I highly recommend you check out now. There'll be carnage
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With that out the way, Welcome to the Heavy Spoilers show now let's get into Venom Let
There Be Carnage.
Ok so info on this scene has been floating around online for about the last two weeks.
Earlier in the month a Fan Screening was held in London and though Tom Hardy told people
not to tell anyone, peeps just can't keep leaks to themselves.
Now the movie was already ruined for me when I found out that Eminem hadn't made a song
for the soundtrack called 'Carnage' but still this scene is a pretty big one. It's arguably
one of the most ones that's ever been in a marvel movie as not only does it tease a showdown
between venom and Spider-man but it also hints towards how other franchises will be pulled
into the MCU.
We pick up with Eddie in a hotel room watching a Spanish Novela at night. After battling
it out with Carnage, Eddie Brock has taken a different stance on Venom and he is now
fully embracing his role as the Lethal Protector. Venom has always been somewhat of an Anti-Hero
but it seems like no matter the universe he's still gonna have his darkside.
The pair seem to be better than they ever have been and Venom asks Eddie if he wants
to see a fraction of what his species have done. Little is known about the symbiotes
still and this just seems like something that will be fun for the character. Well not fun
cos it's enough to break the multiverse but you know.
Anyway upon doing this the room starts to transform around them and not only does it
switch from night to day but Eddie actually arrives in a completely different universe,
namely the MCU. Everything is a slight alteration to the room that he's just been in but clearly
things have changed and Eddie is now in a completely different place.
All of a sudden we hear the voice of JK Simmons as J Jonah Jameson. There is a report from
the Daily Bugle.Net which in this universe is an Info Wars esque channel. In the Venom
verse it's a news paper but here it's been changed up to the MCU one.
J Jonah is announcing that Peter Parker has killed Mysterio and it's then that we realise
that this is very similar to the news report that was shown at the end of Far From Home.
However there is some additional footage including a video of Spidey with the mask off standing
in what I believe is New York due to the yellow cabs around him.
He also calls Spider-Man the Spider-menace and talks about his web of lies.
We can also catch a sign that says PENN1 which I'm guessing is short for pennsylvania. If
you cast your mind back to the end of Far From Home, you'll remember that this is where
the news report took place so potentially Spidey unmasked there and people at the scene
blasted it all over the internet which allowed it to be in this report.
It's enough to make even the most hardcore DC Head start smashing up the room with excitement
and Venom licks the screen and makes it pretty clear that he wants to stick his tongue down
his...sorry eat him.
The scene ends with the guy who's hotel room it is in this universe walking out and he
asks him who he is and how he got there.
At this point Venom has turned back into Eddie and he says he doesn't know. Venom in the
scene denies doing anything so it is possible that he's either been brought across by another
character, potentially Madame Web or venom doesn't know the true height of his powers.
Now
this clearly is something big for the universe. Not only does it cement that characters can
now cross into other universes but it also hints towards how Marvel Studios will be bringing
in things like the X-men and more.
When Disney bought Fox they got the rights to use the characters but outside of a hiiiiilarious
Bohner joke, they haven't really done much with them yet. I'll never forgive you for
this Feige....neeeever.
Now during the Morbius trailer, the living vampire was seen walking in front of an image
of Tobey Maguire's Spider-man. It's unknown whether he's in the MCU or not because of
this, however he did meet Michael Keatons Vulture at the end of the first look. So we
do know that at some point he will probably be coming into the MCU and if he's not already
then this will be a way to bring him across.
Now originally in the comics, Spider-man fight encountered the symbiote during the events
of Secret Wars. After travelling to an alien planet, he bonded with the creature and this
formed his iconic black suit. Upon returning to earth he ran into some....eh issues with
it that did more than give him a terrible haircut and some bad dance moves.
Peter was eventually able to free himself from it's control and it ended up bonding
with Eddie Brock before going onto infect Cletus Casady during a prison break which
allowed him to become Carnage.
When Infinity War was first announced and we saw the trailers of Tom Holland's Spider-man
in space it was thought that this would be the point at which he would end up encountering
the creature and that he'd then bring it to earth. That of course didn't happen and at
the time Marvel Studios were very much about distancing themselves from Sony outside of
their usage of Spider-man. However when it looked like the latter were going to take
back full control of the character, they both came to an agreement and are now allowing
the Sony owned characters to interact with their ones from Marvel Studios.
This is why we didn't get the classic rivalry from the comics as the rights issue made Sony
basically start their own separate universe which is now having to be brought across into
this one.
Now with this being a post credits stinger, the movie doesn't really have to answer to
us exactly what has happened. I actually think someone in Sony studios is probably sat right
now on reddit reading through fan theories to be like 'right get this in the script for
the next one.' I kinda get the feeling that Sony just did it and said 'figure it out later'
much like when Stryker's eyes glowed yellow at the end of Days Of Future Past which yeah...still
makes no sense.
It's difficult to know exactly when this scene happens in term of the MCU timeline but judging
by the news report it clearly happens before Peter and Doctor Strange cast the spell. In
the trailer this breaks the multiverse wide open and it allows for characters like Doctor
Octopus to come across into the MCU.
However with this potentially happening before then it is possible that it's caused due to
the events of Loki which have allowed reality to bend and shift apart.
The potential magnitude of Venom showing Eddie things that he's done might have been enough
to shift not only his conscious but also his physical body into another reality and this
is what has allowed him to travel. According to theoretical science, if the multiverse
exists then these other universes are simply on other vibrational frequencies that we are
able to perceive or interact with.
Thus Venom attempting to do this has completely altered the way he percieves reality and it's
allowed him to travel into a brand new one.
It's still unsure whether Venom will be in No Way Home but according to super dooper
scooper Daniel RPK, the character won't actually meet with Spider-man until Venom 3.
Now why this could be is because Venom is clearly in not only an unknown country but
also an unknown universe.
It would be a huge shock to the system to be transported into another reality and without
a passport or even knowing anyone from this universe he's gonna have difficulty getting
to New York.
I very much feel like No Way Home will centre around Spidey fighting the Sinister Six and
then we might get Venom showing up in a post credits scene.
For the future it is possible that some of the symbiote ends up interacting with Peter
and then this creates his black suit. Eddie could then return home but Venom would now
be in the MCU and it could lead to Peter forming a rivalry against it which would allow it
to then bond to either the MCU's Eddie or it'll return home and be able to shift between
the universes.
Personally I'd like to see him stay in the MCU and possibly even take on the Agent Venom
mantle that the character has in the comics. I think his next film will be about him clashing
with the web head but then he'll see he's just a good kid and not the murderer that
the reports are making him out to be.
It's also impossible to know whether the memory spell will affect him or not as he's not from
this universe but if he has landed in the MCU before that's carried out then he might
genuinely end up forgetting like everyone else does.
As mentioned earlier The Madam Web movie could also hold the key and it is possible that
she brought the pair across into the universe once they reached a certain height of consciouness
and symbiosis together.
Either way I had a lot of fun with Venom Let There Be Carnage and I didn't wanna do a full
breakdown on it just yet as there's some countries, including the UK that it's not gonna be released
in for another couple of weeks.
I think once the film is out digitally that I'll probably do a big breakdown on all the
easter eggs in it as there's some really cool ones and lots of things for hardcore Marvel
heads.
Anyway I'd love to hear your thoughts so make sure you comment below and let me know. No
doubt there will be lots of theories for this and it does mean a lot for the universe overall.
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checking out if you wanna know more.
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