- So I am in week 3 of self quarantining,
and now we're in week
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47!
Last spring, we talked with a bunch of experts
about what was then a new coronavirus.
A virus that since then has killed almost 500,000 people
in the U.S. and over 2 million people globally.
So today, we're checking back in with some of those experts
and asking what do we know now that we didn't know then?
And how is that information gonna help us
in the coming months or years?
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At the start of the pandemic, we were all wondering
when we were gonna get a vaccine so that
life could return to normal.
I called up virologist Dr. Ben Neuman,
who has studied coronaviruses for decades.
And I asked him what do scientists need to know
to create a vaccine?
He said it's critical to have an in-depth understanding
of the proteins that allow the virus into our cells.
Fortunately, we already knew
a couple of key things about this coronavirus
because a similar one caused the 2003 SARS outbreak.
- [Dr. Neuman] All right, so the SARS coronavirus
has a protein on the outside called the spike protein.
And that is going to bump into the ACE2
on the outside of a lung cell.
- [Sam] Researchers also knew that SARS-CoV-2
wouldn't be able to infect cells without
a co-receptor in addition to ACE2.
The co-receptor modifies the spike,
essentially activating it
so that once it does bind to ACE2,
it can then go on to infect the cell.
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At the time, they suspected that the co-receptor
was probably a protein called TMPRSS2.
- [Dr. Neuman] Since then, we have learned about
all the other TMPRSS proteins because, you know,
if there's a two, there're a bunch more,
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I think they go up to 11 or 12, and it turns out that
at least half of these are able to support infection.
- [Sam] SARS-CoV-2 can use a bunch of these
TMPRSS proteins which are all over the place.
Brain cells, lung cells, heart cells, cells in your stomach.
So you would think that all of these cell types
would be able to get infected.
- [Dr. Neuman] People were expecting a lot more
direct infection of the heart,
a lot more direct infection of the brain.
Evidence for both of those is still not particularly strong.
- [Sam] There have been some reports of patients
with heart inflammation or symptoms in other parts
of the body, but actual direct infection
by the virus seems pretty rare.
After a year, it's clear that it's mainly infecting
our lungs, but it's not clear as to why.
So why does figuring that out matter?
Why should we care about this?
We already have a couple of vaccines against SARS-CoV-2.
Well, you've seen the news.
There are other variants of SARS-CoV-2 that are emerging,
and if this virus mutates to the point
where current vaccines are no longer effective,
we're going to need to re-engineer them.
And if we wanna do that, it's critical that we have
as in depth an understanding of this virus as possible.
In the meantime, some of these emerging variants
could be more transmissible. Which means wearing a mask
is more important than ever.
Early info on masks, at least in the U.S. was confusing.
So back in April, we talked with an expert
to try to get a straight answer.
- N-95 better than surgical mask, better than cloth mask.
But when you set that against what your actual risk
and needs are by population,
a cloth mask is perfectly fine for the general public.
- [Sam] And it turns out, well?
- [Dr. Soe-Lin] I've always said that the three, my three
favorite words in the English language,
are not like, 'I love you', it's 'you were right'.
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- [Sam] There are now dozens of studies showing that
cloth masks work, but that's not to say that
all cloth masks are created equal.
Here's what we've learned so far:
multilayer high thread count cloth masks
block upwards of 80% of all respiratory droplets
coming from the person wearing the mask,
and more than half
of the really small droplets and particles.
Even those tiny particles that do get through,
don't travel as far.
The effectiveness of some cloth masks
even seems to be on par with surgical masks.
And we've learned that masks
don't just protect other people,
they protect the person wearing the mask too.
It may seem obvious now,
but early in the pandemic, we didn't know that.
- [Dr. Soe-Lin] I didn't think
it was gonna be this effective.
I just, at the beginning was feeling somewhat desperate
that we didn't have anything.
So I thought, you know, all of the primary literature had
shown that maybe it was going to be a 20% effect.
I thought, well, 20% is better than nothing.
You should take that.
I didn't think it was going to be this sweeping.
- With these new variants of SARS-CoV-2,
that could be more transmissible,
some European countries are requiring
that people wear medical grade masks when in public.
This is a quickly changing situation.
So keep an eye on CDC guidelines.
We left a link in the video description.
Either way, it's clear that masks work
Social distancing works.
But there was another recommendation
that we were getting early on.
- [Dr. Soe-Lin] Remember they were still saying,
"wash your hands"?
- [Sam] Yeah.
- [Dr. Soe-Lin] I mean like wash your hands is important,
you should wash your hands anyway
but I wish we could wash our hands out of this epidemic.
I mean, it wasn't even fully appreciated
how aerosolized this virus was.
- [Sam] Soap was the thing at the start of the pandemic.
Our first COVIDeo,
Get it? COVID E O.
Our first COVIDeo was about the chemistry
behind how soap kills SARS-CoV-2.
- These surfactants can actually wedge their way
into the lipid bilayer, lipophilic end first,
and when they do, the virus will break apart.
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- [Sam] Soap does kill the virus. That hasn't changed.
It's just that at the time, we didn't realize
that we were almost exclusively spreading this virus
through the air.
- [Sam] Dr. Soe-Lin was right.
Masks are a great way to help prevent infection.
But what do we do for someone who does get infected?
Last May, we looked into drugs
that have the potential to block SARS-CoV-2 infection,
or stop it before it gets really bad.
Those drugs are called antivirals.
- Whenever you take a drug so far as to be in people,
there's always a hope that you can revive it
for something else.
And sometimes drugs can affect more than one virus
even if you developed it for Ebola.
So people said, let's test it.
- He's talking about a drug
that you might actually have heard of.
It's called Remdesivir.
- [Sam] In the fall of last year,
the NIH concluded that Remdesivir works,
kinda.
It seems to shorten recovery time and it may help
prevent progression to more severe versions of COVID-19.
But here's the problem.
- [Vincent Racaniello] It's main effect is to
block virus reproduction.
And that is not your problem once you're in the hospital.
Your problem is you have an over exuberant immune response
that is causing all these problems
in your lungs and other organs as well.
That's one of the things we have learned that, you know,
this disease, you initially have a viral infection
of your upper tract, which lasts maybe 10 days,
but then you have this immune response
that causes incredible disease.
And so they were giving Remdesivir
to people who were hospitalized.
And by then, an antiviral is not what you need.
It's too late.
At that point, you don't need an anti-viral,
you need to dampen down your immune response.
- [Sam] Once you're at the point where you need
to go to the hospital, SARS-CoV-2 has had
a lot of time to replicate and spread.
And most of it's been cleared up by your immune system,
which is now in overdrive.
You don't die from SARS-CoV-2,
you die from your immune system's response to it.
So yes, Remdesivir can help stop the virus from replicating,
but in severe cases of COVID,
the virus is really not the problem anymore.
- [Dr. Neuman] Say the virus is like a stick of dynamite
and say the disease is like the avalanche.
The stick of dynamite starts it.
But you know, what the antivirals do
is they try to put out the little fuse on the dynamite.
Once that has blown, the avalanche is coming,
whether you like it or not.
And you know, you can pour all the water you want
on the remains of the dynamite
but it is not going to stop the avalanche, yeah.
And so we don't really have anything that can slow
- ...down the immune response. - [Sam] That is such a great metaphor.
Andrew, did you catch that?
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- Sorry.