FAR-RIGHT OPPONENT DURING THE RECENT ELECTION THERE.
MATT AND SAVANNAH, BACK TO YOU. >>> AS MENTIONED, DONALD
RUMSFELD SERVED IN THE WHITE HOUSE FOR FOUR PRESIDENTS, HE
WAS DEFENSE SECRETARY TWICE, DONALD RUMSFELD, WE HAVE GIVEN
YOUR RESUMÉ, NICE TO HAVE YOU HERE, SIR.
LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH RICHARD AND
KRISTEN, BUT THE BRITISH ARE FURIOUS WITH THE U.S. ABOUT
LEAKING INFORMATION ABOUT THE BOMBING AND THE TERROR
INVESTIGATION. HOW CONCERNING IS THAT IF A
MAJOR ALLY OF THE U.S. FEELS IT CAN'T SHARE INFORMATION WITH THE
U.S.? >> WELL, THAT WAS JUST A REPORT.
I DON'T KNOW PRECISELY WHAT THE U.K. IS THINKING ABOUT ALL OF
THIS, BUT OBVIOUSLY INTELLIGENCE IS NOT TO BE SHARED OUTSIDE OF
CLOSE ALLIES. ON THE OTHER HAND, THE PRESIDENT
MAKES DECISIONS ALL THE TIME AND HAS THE ABILITY TO DECLASSIFY
INFORMATION. AND I THINK IT IS JUST A MATTER
OF SORTING THROUGH WHAT IS TAKING PLACE.
I WAS AMBASSADOR TO NATO ABOUT 40 YEARS AGO, AND WHEN YOU DEAL
WITH THE NATO COUNTRIES, THEY DO HAVE INTERESTS.
AND THEY DO SHARE A GREAT DEAL OF INTELLIGENCE.
AND IT IS IMPORTANT THAT IT BE HANDLED CAREFULLY.
>> ONE OF THE MOST TALKED ABOUT INSTANCES OF SHARING
INTELLIGENCE, NOT WITH CLOSE ALLIES BUT WITH RUSSIA, WHEN
PRESIDENT TRUMP SHARED SENSITIVE INFORMATION WE GOT ABOUT THE
RUSSIAN OFFICIALS, THERE WAS ANOTHER CONVERSATION HE HAD WITH
THE PRESIDENT OF THE PHILIPPINES AND SAID, I HAVE TWO NUCLEAR
SUBMARINES OFF THE KOREAN PENINSULA.
AS A FORMER DEFENSE SECRETARY, IS THAT THE KIND OF INFORMATION
YOU WANT TO BE SHARING WITH OTHERS AROUND THE WORLD?
>> THERE ARE TIMES YOU DON'T WANT TO SHARE THAT KIND OF
INFORMATION AND THERE ARE TIMES YOU DO.
WERE IT AS A DETERRENT, YOU CONSCIOUSLY WANT TO LET PEOPLE
KNOW WHAT YOUR CAPABILITIES ARE. MOST COUNTRIES DON'T HAVE THE
ABILITY TO KNOW WHERE OUR NUCLEAR SUBS ARE OR AIRCRAFT
CARRIERS ARE. AND WHAT WE DO ON OCCASION IS TO
PURPOSELY LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE'VE DEPLOYED CAPABILITIES IN
CERTAIN PARTS OF THE WORLD SO THEY WILL BE CAREFUL.
>> YOU WERE HERE DURING THE CAMPAIGN AND I ASKED YOU ABOUT
TRUMP AND YOU SAID, HE TOUCHED A NERVE.
WHEN I ASKED YOU, DID HE HAVE THE GRAVITAS TO BE COMMANDER IN
CHIEF -- >> I DIDN'T KNOW HIM.
>> NOW THAT YOU HAVE SEEN HIM IN OFFICE, WHAT DO YOU THIS I?
>> IF I DON'T KNOW SOMEONE, I'M NOT INCLINED TO SAY I DO.
IN THIS CASE, WHAT IS THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE'S MOST IMPORTANT TASK?
IT'S TO SELECT GOOD PEOPLE. AND I LOOK AT HIS SUPREME COURT
NOMINEE, HIS VICE PRESIDENT, HIS SECRETARY OF STATE, HIS
SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, I THINK HIS NATIONAL SECURITY TEAM IS
REALLY FIRST RATE. AS YOU SAY, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED
WITH SOME CABINETS OVER THE YEARS, AND I WOULD RANK THIS ONE
PRETTY HIGH. THE OTHER THING A CHIEF
EXECUTIVE HAS TO DO IS WHEN YOU MAKE A MISTAKE ON PERSONNEL, FIX
IT. THEY DON'T GET BETTER WITH TIME.
AND HE DID. AND THE NATIONAL SECURITY
ADVISER WAS CHANGED. >> FAST ENOUGH IN YOUR VIEW?
>> I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT THERE.
BUT I GIVE HIM PRETTY GOOD MARKS ON PICKING PEOPLE, WHICH I THINK
IS WHAT A SENIOR EXECUTIVE HAS TO DO.
>> OBVIOUSLY, LOOMING OVER THIS ADMINISTRATION IS THE RUSSIA
INVESTIGATION. ALL THE NATION'S INTELLIGENCE
AGENCIES AGREE RUSSIA TRIED TO MEDDLE IN THE ELECTION.
>> THAT'S NO SURPRISE. WE KNOW THEY DO.
YEAH. >> EXACTLY.
NOW THE ISSUE IS, DID ANY TRUMP CAMPAIGN OFFICIAL COLLUDE
WILLINGLY OR UNWILLINGLY WITH THE INQUIRY.
THE PRESIDENT CALLS IT A WITCHHUNT, DO YOU AGREE?
IS SIT A WITCH HUNT OR A PROPER INVESTIGATION?
>> WE KNOW THAT OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE AN INQUIRY AND MAKE
MISCHIEF, ATTEMPT TO DO THINGS IN THEIR INTEREST.
THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE AND NO SURPRISE.
IT SEEMS TO ME THE QUESTION I CAN'T FIGURE OUT IS IF THERE'S
ANY THEIR THERE, I CERTAINLY DON'T KNOW THE FACTS.
IT IS PROPER TO INVESTIGATE THINGS AND TAKE A GOOD LOOK AND
TRY TO UNDERSTAND MORE THAN YOU KNOW.
BUT WHETHER THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL PROVE TO BE IMPORTANT,
I JUST HAVE NO IDEA. >> FORMER SECRETARY OF DEFENSE,