So, the fallout from the Dobbs decision is proving to be
a legal policy ethical nightmare for everyone.
Obviously, patients and pregnant people.
Number one but second in line is and our doctors,
who are left scratching their heads and consulting lawyers
before they do lifesaving treatment on their patients.
That is happening across the country.
And specifically, we're gonna look at a case in New Orleans where a doctor
Valerie, Williams is joining a lawsuit to contest Louisiana's abortion trigger ban
which went into effect.
Obviously, when the decision came down overturning Roe v Wade.
Williams in an affidavit recounts a recent experience that she had with a patient
that I just wanna warn is incredibly upsetting.
And yet somehow we have to understand this is the world that we're now in.
So she writes, when the trigger bands went into effect over the weekend,
I experienced first hand and got brief insight into how these laws would harm
Louisiana patients and cause unnecessary trauma and pain.
I saw a patient whose water broke at 16 weeks which is far below before viability.
There was no way for
the pregnancy to continue without putting the patient's health at risk.
And the fetus was already starting to deliver.
I originally offered to perform a medical procedure called the DNA.
Dilation evacuation to quickly and safely and
the pregnancy a DNA would have lasted approximately 15 minutes.
After a consultation, the patient expressed that this was her preferred
option since she was already traumatized from experience and felt that an induction
which would require labor and delivery of the fetus would be too much for her.
Once I left the room, however, I heard from my hospital's lawyer that I could no
longer perform the requested procedure because the trigger bands had gone into
effect going back into the hospital room and
telling the patient she would have to be induced.
And push out the fetus was one of the hardest conversations I ever had.
She then describes a little bit of the labor.
She was forced to go through the painful hours long labor to deliver a non-viable
fetus despite her wishes and best medical advice quote, she was screaming
not from the pain but from the emotional trauma she was experiencing.
The doctor wrote.
The woman then hemorrhaged nearly a leader of blood according to the affidavit.
But she survived so cool.
Finally, this doctor writes the trigger bands have turned a hospital room and
a medical procedure into a legal consultation.
All while patients, health and safety are at risk.
She writes, this was the first time in my 15 year career,
I could not give a patient the care they needed.
This is a travesty.
So, right, doctors are being put in these positions.
Doctors are having to consult lawyers on in like,
in the middle of these decision making processes.
An attorney Joanna Wright for the abortion providers in Louisiana said the state's
abortion ban is putting doctors in incredibly difficult situations.
Under the new law, doctors and
other providing abortions are subject to a 10 ro 15 year jail terms.
With exceptions only for medically futile pregnancies and abortions done to
quote prevent the death or substantial risk of death to the pregnant woman.
In other words, how much hemorrhaging is too much hemorrhaging?
I don't know, they don't know.
There was there's multiple other cases on this.
Another doctor, in Wisconsin saying that a physician in her practice contacted her
the week after the Supreme Court decision and
as she treated a patient with a ruptured ectopic pregnancy.
Again, one in 50 pregnancies, she knew exactly what she had to do because
the woman was bleeding and was clearly gonna die if nothing was done, Zeal said.
But she wasn't sure what she needed to do to document,
to be sure she wouldn't be charged with a felony.
So then, to protect herself from criminal prosecution, Zael's colleague,
Elana Wistrom turned to an emergency room physician who treated the patient and
a radiologist who reviewed the ultrasound,
showing the rupture a process that took more than an hour.
It turned my attention away from the bedside of the critical care
patient toward documentation, Wistrom said.
So in other words, Zeal is there, this is the doctor in Wisconsin,
she's gotta make this decision.
There's a ruptured ectopic pregnancy.
But am I gonna get sent to jail for doing this procedure?
Instead of doing it and helping this patient, she goes and
gets two different signatures from two different
other doctors because of the lawyer in the hospital told her to do so.
And one of those doctors Wistrom said,
yeah I was in a critical care moment helping another patient and
I had to turn and sign off on this thing that three weeks ago was
the most normal decision that is in Wisconsin.
We started off talking about what was happening in new Orleans but
it's around the country.
>> Yeah, so, they're literally letting women bleed out and
this is the theoretically pro life party,
if a Republican is talking, that means he's lying.
No when they say probably you know what here?
One of our viewers wrote in a super chat.
Really good comment on YouTube Grandma Sunshine Dragon wrote in Republicans
are pro-life only when it's pre life.
I'm gonna amend that a little bit and I'm gonna use that from now on.
They're not pro life.
They're pre life, okay?
But even then it's like there's in the fallopian tubes,
it has no chance of survival.
You can't possibly have a baby delivered from the fallopian tubes and the uterus.
I have to explain these things to Republicans.
And they're like yeah, don't care.
It's not alive.
It has no chance of being alive.
Yes, but does it oppress the woman?
Good check.
No problem.
As long as the woman is impressed.
And big government controls her body and takes away your freedom.
If you're a Republican, you love government tyranny.
And so, you're in for it.
You're in for it.
She's bleeding out on the table and
we've told the doctor that they can't save her life.
Yes, that's how a Republican reacts.
These are facts.
>> Yeah. >> That's not law.
>> I would even go further.
>> All across the country bleeding out on surgery tables.
Because the Republicans want them too.
Don't tell me you're not in favor of it if you pass the law in favor of it.
>> Yeah, and I would even go further and say, they're not just pre-life,
they're pro-death, they're pro-rape and their pro-incest.
They're pro-death, pro-rape and
pro-incest cuz when you take abortion rights away, even in those cases and
once again, the carve outs mean nothing in practice, right?
Because how many times have like, yeah,
rapists been caught and just in time to have an abortion.
Wait a minute.
What?
Yeah, our legal system works real quick like that.
So you get that carve out for abortion when you've got a three year old child.
Like, so, what I'm saying they are making excuses for
their disgusting misogynist like, per vicious self straight
up their incestuous rapee party, that's what they want.
And if women have to die, so they can get like sort of a pass for
rape or incest then that's cool too.
They want that.
The second thing I wanna say,
is I guess I'm tired of doctors consulting lawyers to be honest with you.
Since when and like why are we this?
And this is the problem with our medical system generally, is how in every step of
the way hospitals, they are so, so, so worried about being sued.
There's all our country is insanely litigious and now you have that being
applied to women in the most basic reproductive health situations.
And I'm just tired of all of these.
Should we, I think the moral thing is to do it.
Look, I understand that people's licenses might be at risk.
I understand that you might, someone might sue you.
So what?
Do it just do it.
Because you are saving a life and that is what the job is there to do.
Obviously, everyone else, lawmakers, activists,
everyone has our role to play in terms of changing these laws,
in terms of expanding the court, in terms of standing up to these bands.
But my God, in the immediate, can we just say that you just go ahead and
do the procedure you know will save these people's lives?
>> Look man, I don't know what we're gonna do and how we're gonna do it?
But we're not gonna let any doctors go to China.
>> No.
>> If Oklahoma Texas Alabama Mississippi wherever
you're in Taliban state in America.
And they try to put a doctor in jail,
we're gonna come surround the goddamn building, okay?
>> No, we're doctors who save lives are heroes.
They're not villains, you monsters, okay?
And to Francesca's point about helping rapists, you so come on guys,
you guys are being outraged.
So we let women die on the surgery table because we're pro-life.
But you guys are being outrageous with your rhetoric.
No, you're being outrageous by causing the deaths of so
many women that is gonna happen now.
You're being outrageous by not letting a ten year old get an abortion after she's
been raped, okay?
So, but this Francesca is being literal because think about this guys.
If some guy have hates a particular woman in a Taliban state in America,
that's the red states.
And says, you know what?
Not only am I gonna rape her, but I'm gonna try to get her pregnant.
So she has to have my baby and take care of it for the rest of her life.
The Republican Party will help him do that.
That's a fact.
>> Yep. >> They won't help him rape her, okay?
But they'll help his dream of making that poor woman carry his child and
take care of his child.
So don't tell me Republicans don't help rapists, that's what's happening.
So I'm not the one that passed laws, they're saying, hey,
if you get raped, we're gonna help the rapist so that you carried the child.
I didn't pass those laws.
If you're a Republican, look at yourself in the mirror, you pass those laws.
If you're uncomfortable with it didn't change it.
If you're comfortable with it, then own it and
know that you're the party that helps rapists and helps kill women.
>> Helps pedophiles.
Hey, let's just addendum to that, cuz incest by nature is rape.
Also, familial rape.
Pretty bad.
Pretty terrible.
Also pedophilia.
So there you go.
All in one, you got the anti pedophile party now defending pedophiles,
allowing them to get away with doing disgusting acts to their family members.
You guys did that.
Republicans did that.