A zoo director in Mexico has been fired after it was discovered that he killed and
served four of the zoo's pygmy goats at a holiday banquet.
Let me show you what a pygmy goat looks like.
>> Okay, by the way, Ray, if you think that's bad,
wait till I tell you my circumcision story.
>> [LAUGH] >> Okay, but keep going, keep going.
>> [LAUGH] >> Okay,
back to the big pigmy goat with little baby goats, four of them.
Can we pull the picture up one more time?
Four of them, he killed and served as food, which you killed this animal.
Apparently, Jose Ruben Nava Noriega would.
So, insider reported on the story, Noriega who has been removed from his
post as the director of Zoochilpan, a zoo and the city of Chilpancingo,
put the male pygmy goat on the menu for a December banquet at the zoo.
The State Environment and
Natural Resources Department said in a video statement.
So yes, he fed this or these baby pygmy goats to other
people who worked at the zoo or zoo benefactors.
And if that wasn't enough, it gets worse because wildlife
officials noted that this put the health of the banquet guests at
risk because obviously zoo animals are not fit for human consumption.
And I really wish that that was the end of this, but
it's really just the beginning because his goat feast wasn't
the only thing that got him fired as the zoo director.
So again, Insider reported that a subsequent investigation into
Nava Noriega found that apart from the ill advised meal he gave the staffers,
he had also illegally traded a zebra and
four Watusi cattle with private individuals, the department added.
So let's take a look at what the cattle looked like.
Just a beautiful, beautiful animal.
This man was using his position as zoo director to trade these zoo animals,
I'm assuming to private parties for money and that he was pocketing the money.
He's literally just dealing these zoo animals like it's a damn pet store.
I mean, how did this guy get this job and it gets worse.
But I'll save that for later first, I wanna get you guys in here on this.
I mean, how did he get hired here?
>> Well, it happens, so, I have a lot of different takes on this story.
So first off, I'm amused by this guy.
I know he did bad things, right?
But he's like, the Watusi cattle which looks super badass.
And the zebra he traded, he said, well, I got three red deer's out of it and
bubblegum or something.
[LAUGH] they are like the red dears are like a nickel,
they're not that interesting.
These are [INAUDIBLE] bunch much more, and they're like, wait a minute, wait,
where are the red deers?
And he's like, I don't know, [LAUGH] he didn't even get him,
he's just making it up.
Okay, one of the things you're gonna tell us later is that he sold,
first I thought maybe just selling a random rich people, right.
And they want a cattle, they want the thing, whatever, right?
Zebra in their backyard because it's kind of badass, right?
And then when I found out he sold a jaguar, I was like,
there's some chance he's selling to some cartels, okay?
Because that's come on, let's keep it real, right?
So whatever he's doing it ain't right, okay.
And you can tell he's a really bad guy because it's not just, hey, listen, look,
I hate to do it but I'm gonna do it for the money.
No, he's like, look, those are the cutest animals we have at the zoo,
let's eat them.
[LAUGH] So I just, pure bad guy.
You wanna hear the circumcision story now or later?
Now, let's hear [INAUDIBLE] first.
Give it to us now.
>> No, no, no, no, no way.
There's no way I'm going behind the [INAUDIBLE], let's go.
>> [LAUGH] okay, so this is my mild defense of eating the goats and
it is an ironic defense, okay.
So, in Muslim culture and by the way,
there is no such thing as just Muslim culture, there's different
cultures in the wide variety of countries that Islam is predominant.
And in Indonesian culture is very different than Turkish culture, but
at least in Turkish Muslim culture, you get circumcised, not at birth, but
as kind of a rite of passage when you get older.
So for me, it was just six years old, okay.
So there's a much longer story where there's like we did
it in a backyard with a doctor and everybody watching, okay.
But, hey, it's tradition, okay.
And then they dress you up like a clown, etc.
It's supposed to say that I did not do that for my kids, okay.
In some parts of culture, wonderful other parts, not so much.
But anyway, they wanna make it up to you.
They wanna say like this is a wonderful thing, hey rite of passage, and
you got the hat on, and got a robe and stuff, and so
they took my meat at my parents' hometown in Southeastern Turkey.
And they introduced me to a little sheep and I named him Ali, and I'm like ali.
Okay, all right, here we go.
And they're like, this is in your honor.
I'm like, okay, great, slice his throat.
No, >> They are like what?
>> [LAUGH] Okay.
>> Right infront of you?
>> Yeah.
>> After you named it.
>> And then they hung him up in the back and we took a picture.
And then we ate Ali for dinner.
And okay,
[LAUGH].
By the way, I have literally never eaten chunks of lamb ever again.
I didn't eat them that night, and I never eat it again.
So I eat other kinds of lamb but I [INAUDIBLE], but look guys,
I tell that as the most ironic defense ever, okay.
Because so I saw, and I was six years old and I named him or whatever, right.
And so it was obviously traumatic and you could see here, right.
By the reactions, but the fact is we do eat lambs and we do eat goats,
and in a sense what's worse is that we don't see them, right.
Out of sight, out of mind.
So you see a cute little goat, you don't wanna eat it.
You see a cute little lamb, you don't want to eat it, right?
But when you're not looking, they stuff them into factories and
treat them in the most cruel ways imaginable and then we eat them.
So look, I'm not a vegan.
And so you can call me a hypocrite on it and, and well earned, okay.
But at the same time I admire vegans because even if you don't see it,
that's exactly what's happening.
>> I'm a vegetarian, so that evils on you guys, it's not on me [LAUGH].
Fair, hashtag fair.
>> I'm too Southern to be a vegetarian actually if I was a vegetarian I wouldn't
be elected.
So that's out.
>> [LAUGH] >> I will say this,
all of a sudden I feel so much closer to you Genk,
I wanna offer my therapist phone number for you off the air.
So, we could deal with this circumcision situation whenever you're ready.
>> [LAUGH] >> Some deep conversations about Ali and
the trauma associated with Lucy.
>> Genk, do you still hear Ali at night?
>> [LAUGH] >> You do not like to sleep
[INAUDIBLE] different commercials?
By the way, I look, I don't know if this speaks well of me or
poorly of me, but I'm not at all traumatized by it.
Because honestly, we eat those animals all the time, and
they cut it in a Halal way, etc.
Does that make it better?
Not really, but at least they're trying and it's a celebration, and
by the way to give credit to Muslims and this is really important,
t when they do a sacrifice like that, they give most of the meat to the poor, okay?
And so they teach you, hey, although we're celebrating your rite of passage,
we're celebrating by giving most of the food to the poor.
>> Someone who is not giving things away to the poor.
I'm sure was the now fired director of this zoo, in the case of further,
[LAUGH] in the case of the further missing animals.
And Genk hinted that one of them is a jaguar, but
there's some other animals that are missing.
Let's get into this Insider again reported that Juarez,
the Secretary of Environment and Natural Resources in Guerrero also said his
department found that several animal births weren't recorded at the zoo.
And that it falsely logged the deaths of some specimen,
at least 14 animals including a coyote, a baby macaw and
a jaguar are still missing from the premises and you know, they didn't escape.
Let's be clear, this man was dealing exotic animals to private buyers.
I'm sorry, that jaguars not just roaming the streets of Mexico,
it's in someone's house where in 100% should never be.
And I really hate like there's this whole genre of TikTok where
it's people who own big cats, so like lions and tigers, jaguars,
larger cat animals, and they'll just be chilling on their couch,
like bro, that jaguar should not be on your couch.
It shouldn't be in your house.
It doesn't wanna be there [LAUGH].
It doesn't wanna be with the country that you're in at all.
It should be in the wild or
I mean, I'm not a big fan of zoos, but at the very least it should be in a zoo.
Although apparently, not this zoo.
>> Well, Raven have been good news for you because first of all, and one of our shows
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You would have all ready heard that circumcision story earlier.
Anyway, I talked about a movie by Quentin Tarantino coming out next,
Vegan Vengeance, okay, I made that up.
But so the guy ate the goats, but
that jaguar is probably gonna eat some drug dealer.
So vegan vengeance.
>> Vegan vengeance, subtitle justice Ali [LAUGH].
>> Justice for Ali.
>> [INAUDIBLE] some kind of black rotation letters at the bottom.
Can you imagine that jaguar is a pimp,
like just running around beating up old zoo directors.
Well, whoever bought I'll tell you right now they better
be careful because Jaguar ain't not laugh with.
>> Coz it's a jaguar.
>> Yeah.
>> This is nothing, here's, what's truly at the root of the story is human and
how sick we are as humans, right?
We will exploit any resource for financial gain.
The idea that this person who is charged with protecting these animals
from wonder wildlife, maybe for whatever reason, but also from other humans.
And he's on the worst of things with this.
This is, this is indicative of the sickness of being human and our,
our idea that we own everything at our fingertips.
So it is absolutely a disgusting story.
>> Yeah, absolutely, I do quickly though want you both to imagine
you are that sick human, and you're going to go to the zoo.
You're gonna buy one of the animals from this Zoo director, Cast aside your morals,
what animal are you buying because I'm buying a [INAUDIBLE] immediately.
I might do it anyway.
Is he still in business?
I would love to have a pet [INAUDIBLE].
Okay.
>> I need a kangaroo.
>> Okay.
No, no, I'm buying Ali, I could at least save one,
save just one and it'll be worth it.
>> [LAUGH] >> No people in any bank would say this
zoo are gonna be eating fully any time soon.
>> No way.
>> I am curious, I wonder if he went into this job knowing he was
gonna be doing some messed up stuff like it was a plan.
He was like, I'm gonna go to school, and, I don't know what you major in?
Zoology, I'm gonna get my degree so I can go and
sell these animals for profit and keep a few to eat for myself.
>> No way. >> Or like,
if he was just working there and then people reached out to him, they're like,
hey, we kind of think these animals are cool and
we're willing to slide you some cash under the table for him.
Now that goes to Mondale's point.
Us, humans were unpleasant creatures.
And so when, when offered money or
power, we take it 98% of the time.
>> So the minute somebody made the first offer, he's like, I'm in business.
I mean, who would think, if I really wanna make money,
I'll go run a zoo and I'll sell the animals one by one illicitly,
like the world's worst plan for making lots of money.
But he's more likely he came to the zoo and he doesn't, he doesn't care.
I mean, look at the animals as food more than anything else.
And he's like, somebody's willing to offer money, I was just about to eat him,
yeah sure, come on, let's do it.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and that's the nature of humans.
>> I wish it wasn't so, >> Yeah.
>> Yeah, unfortunately it is.
I also heard that is director of the zoo was related to George sent, no,
I just made that up, I made that up.
>> [INAUDIBLE] Anthony Devolder.
>> Antony devolder yeah, actually, he's actually the director.
>> [LAUGH]