>> Harris: FORMER NATIONAL
SECURITY ADVISOR JOHN BOLTON
ANNOUNCING HE WILL TESTIFY IN
PRESIDENT TRUMP'S UPCOMING
SENATE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL IF HE
RECEIVES A SUBPOENA.
LAWMAKERS ARE RETURNING TO
CAPITOL HILL WITH BOTH SIDES OF
THE AISLE STILL DIVIDED ON THE
RULES FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP'S
SENATE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL.
SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE
CHAIRMAN LINDSEY GRAHAM SAYS "OF
HOUSES BEAKER NANCY PELOSI DOES
NOT HAND OVER THOSE ARTICLES OF
IMPEACHMENT TO THE UPPER CHAMBER
SOON, HE WILL FIND A WAY TO
START THE SENATE TRIAL WITHOUT
THEM."
>> WHAT I WILL DO IF SHE
CONTINUES TO REFUSE TO SEND THE
ARTICLES AS REQUIRED BY THE
CONSTITUTION, I WOULD WORK WITH
SENATOR McCONNELL TO CHANGE
THE RULES IN THE SENATE SO WE
COULD START THE TRIAL WITHOUT
HER IF NECESSARY.
IF WE DON'T GET THE ARTICLES
THIS WEEK, THEN WE NEED TO TAKE
METALS INTO OUR OWN HANDS AND
CHANGE THE RULES, SO WE CAN
START THE TRIAL INVITE THE
HOUSE SO THEY CAN PARTICIPATE.
>> OKAY, KELLY, I WANT TO START
WITH YOU.
PREVIOUSLY, JOHN BOLTON SAID HE
WAS UNDECIDED AS TO WHETHER HE
WOULD TESTIFY OR NOT.
THAT WAS WHEN IT WAS BACK IN THE
HOUSE.
THEY CHOSE NOT TO SUBPOENA HIM
AS THEY SAID THEY WOULD WAIT FOR
THE COURTS TO DECIDE.
NOW HE IS SAYING HE WAS LOOKING
FOR A FINAL JUDICIAL RESOLUTION.
I HAVE CONCLUDED THAT IF THE
SENATE ISSUE SUBPOENA FOR MY
TESTIMONY, I AM PREPARED TO
TESTIFY BECAUSE A FINAL JUDICIAL
ROGER LUTHERAN APPEARS UNLIKELY
BEFORE THE SENATE TRIAL.
THE COURTS ARE WAITING TO DECIDE
TO COMPEL HIM.
NOW HE SAYS IF I GET A SUBPOENA
I WILL GO.
WHAT KIND OF RELEVANT
INFORMATION DO YOU THINK HE HAS?
>> Cully: NO IDEA, BUT I CAN
TELL YOU ONE THING.
JOHN BOLTON IS A REALLY SMART.
CLARENCE THOMAS, WHEN HE GAVE A
SPEECH AT MY ORGANIZATION YEARS
AGO SAID THAT JOHN BOLTON WAS
THE SMARTEST GUY IN LAW SCHOOL
AND HAD THE HIGHEST GPA AT YALE
LAW SCHOOL EVER.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT'S TRUE
TO THIS DAY, BUT HE IS A SAVVY
CHARACTER.
I THINK HE ALSO FEELS THAT IT IS
PROBABLY HIS PATRIOTIC DUTY THAT
IF THE SENATE SOUNDS I'M A
SUBPOENA HE'S JUST GOING TO
COMPLY WITH IT.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO
COME OUT OF JOHN BOLTON'S MOUTH,
WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES HE
WAS AT THE PRESIDENT SIDE.
WE DO KNOW FROM PUBLISHED
REPORTS THAT OVER TIME, HE
STARTED LOSING THE PRESIDENTS
HERE, ESPECIALLY NEAR THE END.
SO, WHETHER HE WAS THERE FOR THE
KEY UKRAINE STUFF, WE DON'T
KNOW.
>> Harris: KENNEDY, THAT IS IN
FACT WHAT HE SAID IS THAT "I
HAVE TRIED TO MEET MY
OBLIGATIONS BOTH AS A CITIZEN
AND AS A FORMAL NATIONAL
SECURITY ADVISOR."
THAT EIGHT IS HIS DUTY TO GO
TESTIFY, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
>> HE KNOWS HOW SMART HE IS,
JOHN BOLTON HAS THE JOHN BOLTON
WORLDVIEW, HE ALSO HAS A BOOK
COMING OUT, NO MATTER WHAT
HAPPENS, I DO THINK HE IS GOING
TO TELL THE TRUTH, HE'S GOING TO
LAY OUT THE CARDS AS HE SEES IT.
HE WANTS TO SET HIS OWN RECORD
STRAIGHT IN PRINTS AND VERBALLY
IN FRONT OF THE SENATE DURING
THIS TRIAL.
SO, I THINK THE NEWS OF IRAN AND
A POTENTIAL INVASION IN HIS
BRAIN HAS GOT HIM SO EXCITED
THAT HE NEEDS TO REINSERT
HIMSELF AND ADD HIS TWO CENTS AT
THIS CRITICAL STAGE.
>> SO, JEANNIE, THIS IS A VERY
INTERESTING CROSSROADS WHERE
LINDSEY GRAHAM SAYS THAT MAYBE
WE WILL TAKE THEM UP IF
NANCY PELOSI DOESN'T TAKE THEM
OVER AND DELIVER THEM.
SHE IS BEEN SITTING ON THESE
ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT, A LOT
OF PEOPLE ARE HYPOTHESES SAYING
THE REASON WHY SHE IS DOING THAT
IS BECAUSE SHE'S TRYING TO
NEGOTIATE WITH THE SENATE IN
ORDER TO HAVE A TRIAL AND BRING
THESE WITNESSES FORTH.
BUT SHE WAS NOT WILLING TO WAIT
ON THOSE WITNESSES IN THE HOUSE,
AND SUBPOENAING THEM AS JOHN
BOLTON SIDE, HE NEVER DID
RECEIVE A SUBPOENA.
SHE WASN'T WILLING TO WAIT ON
THE COURTS THEY ARE, BUT NOW,
SHE IS WAITING, AND TRYING TO
FORCE THE SENATE TO DO WHAT SHE
HERSELF DID NOT HAVE THE
PATIENCE TO DO.
HOW DOES THAT LOOK POLITICALLY?
>> I THINK POLITICALLY IT LOOKS
VERY BAD FOR THE DEMOCRATS.
I REALLY HAVE ALWAYS HAD A
PROBLEM WITH THE CALENDAR ON
THIS.
WHICH WAS A CALENDAR DRIVEN BY
THE POLITICS, CLEARLY.
I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THE
DEMOCRATS SHOULD HAVE WAITED TO
HEAR FROM THE COURTS, OR, FOR
BURTON TO CHANGE HIS MIND AND TO
AGREE TO A SUBPOENA REGARDLESS
OF WHAT THE COURTS ESSAY TO
GET ALL THE INFORMATION THAT
THEY HAD AND THEN, IF THEY ARE
GOING TO PUT SOME THING
TOGETHER --
>> Harris: SO IS IT HELPFUL
THAT BOLTS AND OTHERS ARE
WILLING TO SPEED UP THE
SITUATION FOR THE DEMOCRATS
WESTERN MARK THEY ARE NOT DOING
IT FOR THEM BUT --
THIS BEFORE I THINK IT IS SUCH A
SHAME THAT THESE ARTICLES HAVE
NOW GONE OUT.
ARE THEY GOING TO GO BACK
DEPENDING ON WHAT BOLTON HAS TO
SAY AND REWRITE AS ARTICLES OF
IMPEACHMENT?
I SUPPOSE THEY COULD.
YOU ARE THE LEGAL EXPERT, HERE,
BUT YOU KNOW, TO ME, THIS
SCREAMS A POLITICAL MESS FOR THE
DEMOCRATS IN THE HOUSE, AND I
THINK THEY HAVE SHOT THEMSELVES
IN THE FOOT ON THIS.
>> Harris: CULLY CAN ASK YOU,
DO YOU MIND IF I JUST ASKED BETA
QUICK QUESTION.
WHAT LEGALLY CAN SOMEONE LIKE A
JOHN BOLTON DO ON THE STAND?
IT'S NOT REALLY THE STAND, BUT
IN THE HEARING, CAN HE PLEAD THE
FIFTH, CAN HEEM HAVE ANY KIND OF
EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE, CAN HE DOES
NOT ANSWER QUESTIONS, WHAT HERS
OPTIONS?
>> Cully: REMEMBER, THIS IS
NOT A CRIMINAL TRIAL.
THIS IS A POLITICAL PROCESS,
THAT IS WHAT IMPEACHMENT IS ALL
ABOUT.
THE CRIMINAL PROCEDURES AND
RULES DO NOT APPLY.
BUT EVERYONE STILL ENJOYS A FOR
THE AMENDMENT RIGHT.
NOT TO SAY SOMETHING AGAINST
THEIR OWN INTEREST.
SO HE COULD COME ON A QUESTION
BY QUESTION BASIS, NOT ON A
BLANKET BASIS, AND I SUSPECT, I
WOULD HAVE TO THINK MORE ABOUT
IT, HE COULD PROBABLY ASSERT
EXECUTIVE -- IF THE PRESIDENT
EXERTS EXECUTIVE POINT ROAD LODZ
ON THAT QUESTION BY QUESTION
BASIS HE MIGHT THEN BE ABLE TO
TESTIFY ABOUT THESE THINGS BUT
NOT TESTIFY ABOUT THESE THINGS.
I THINK JOHN BOLTON USUALLY
PLAYS TRANCE WHEN MOST PEOPLE