Two videos back I did a bunch of tests on whether resin or filament prints were stronger.
Basically, the resins we use, at least that’s the common impression, they are much more
brittle than the plastics we use as filaments, but on the other hand, resin prints have no
layers adhesion issues, so I wanted to find out if that would actually make resin prints
weaker or stronger in the end.
Turns out that “it depends” really is the only answer here, and we saw the prints
from Elegoo ABS-like resin slightly beat out PETG in almost every discipline, while the
Prusa resin was considerable weaker in many use cases.
But I hadn’t tested whether the direction my samples were printed had actually mattered,
so I started working on testing that as a follow-up, but that only created more questions
than it answered.
So let’s dig through those today and see where that rabbit hole takes us.
[intro] Okay, let’s cut right to the chase.
Originally, I had only printed the impact and bend tests for the resin prints in only
one orientation to speed up printing and to save a bit of resin.
Remember, unlike the filament tests, these samples are 100% infill, so they do use up
quite a bit of material.
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To test whether orientation mattered, I reprinted all the parts for the bend test and the impact
test in all orientations - twice.
I wanted to make sure these parts would be consistent and not dependent on where exactly
they were sitting in the CW1 for curing where they would maybe get a slightly different
dose of UV light, because I had already suspected that curing actually had some sort of an impact
on my results in the last round.
But in this round, it didn’t get better.
In fact, the results were massively all over the place.
So first off I was reprinting the bend tests at 75% scale - again, saving some material
- but I got totally different results compared to the last time I printed them even though
I was using the exact same print settings, same material, in this case, the Elegoo ABS-like,
and the same curing cycle, which is even temperature-controlled.
The first time I tested this part in resin, I was able to load it with 8.1kg before it
failed, but on this new second run, I got 2.5 and 4.3kg for the part printed flat and
5 and 6.3kg for the ones printed upright.
So, ok, first off, every single one of these prints was way weaker than the one I printed
the first time around.
But also, if you look at the numbers again, not only were they scattered all over the
place, but also, the parts printed flat ended up significantly weaker than the ones standing
up, so the ones that were printed in a way that would peel the layers apart in the test
were actually stronger than the ones printed flat.
For reference, with filament prints there’s usually a 4x difference that the ones printed
flat were stronger, not weaker.
Now I realize my test setup isn’t perfect by any means.
After all for most of these tests, it’s me, a human, putting my body weight onto a
bar that pulls down on a scale, there are a lot of factors that could deviate here,
but I’ve done a few tests with filament on how repeatable my results are, and I get
within 5-10% percent or so for each individual discipline, and of course that also includes
deviations in the filament or the print itself, and even though I rarely did multiple samples
for a single material, the overall scores are always an average of multiple separate
tests, so it does average out and give an overall good look at what a material will
do.
If two materials are within 5 or 10% in the final score, I doubt many people will notice
a difference in real use anyway.
But this was different.
Not only are we seeing deviations by a factor of almost 4, we’re also seeing differences
in exactly the opposite direction we would expect.
And I checked, I didn’t mix up my results.
Instead, what I think was happening here, is that the two parts were cured differently.
You see, the one printed standing up had that brim on the bottom that also allowed it to
be cured standing up in the CW1, while the other ones had to lay down flat on the rotating
platform, which is perforated in a large area, but the exposure to the UV light is probably
still different enough to cause a significant difference in how cured the parts actually
end up.
Interestingly, though, I didn’t see that same difference in how the other tests performed,
those were printed at the same time and maybe just cured with less deviation - I don’t
know, I could start interpreting the results, but I’m just not comfortable doing that
before I’ve got a bit more data… data.
So the only logical thing to do was to print everything again and then do curing a bit
differently.
And that’s what I did!
Same resin, same print files, but this time I cured each set of parts four separate times
and I shuffled them around on the rotating platter before I started each cure cycle.
The CW1’s default is set to 3 minutes drying and heating and then another 3 minutes of
UV exposure, I had already cranked that up to 5 minutes drying, 5 minutes curing, so
overall, this second set has a total of 20 minutes of UV exposure for each part.
I don’t believe you can overcure these, but yeah, just let me know in the comments
if that’s something you’d be interested in and I can maybe look into that in the future.
So did that improve things?
I guess, yeah?
There was still a more variation in these results than what I’m used to and what I’m
comfortable with, but at least we can look at what trends we’re seeing, because those
are undeniably there.
So the bend tests that were pretty horrible before are now back at a comparable level
of what I saw in the first round of tests.
I got 7.1 and 6.8kg for layer strength, and 7.5 and 9.9 kg for layer adhesion, which is
in line with the first round of prints I tested.
But it’s still striking that the layer adhesion parts were stronger in this case than the
layer strength ones, not by much, but again, the opposite of what I’d expect.
The impact tests stayed roughly the same, the numbers say the parts that were cured
four times are in total about 10% more impact resistant, but there was still a lot of variation,
for example the specimen with the notch printed on the side went from 750 and 850 mJ to 700
and 1130-ish mJ, which on average is higher, but then one is lower, the other is higher,
so yeah…
What we can definitely see, though, is that there seems to be the same dependency on part
orientation for the impact test that we’re used to seeing on filament prints.
Let’s take the part that’s been printed flat with the notch up, so that we get those
interrupted layers on either sides of the notch, let’s take that as reference, that
was 675mJ absorbed on average, the parts printed flat with the notch on the side were 27% stronger
on average, my thinking is that’s because the layers are uninterrupted in that orientation.
And looking at the parts printed standing up, those were about 18% weaker than our reference.
Now, granted, that is much less of a difference than with filament prints, which, in the impact
tests, usually turn out 3 to 5 times as strong printed flat vs printed standing up, but the
most impact resistant resin orientation is still about 50% better than the worst one.
So yes, in this case, we do see a very noticeable difference that would suggest that resin does
care about orientation.
But as we jump into the last test I did, the pull test with these rings, I don’t think
the results here are usable at all, since, first of all, just like in the bend test,
I saw one part that was printed to test layer adhesion outperform another that was printed
flat, and then when I quad-cured the second set of part, I completely ran out of capacity
on my luggage scale; I did get the parts to break, but I don’t have a reading to tell
me how far past 40 kg they made it.
So are resin prints actually isotropic parts, meaning they have the same mechanical properties
in all orientations?
Definitely no.
Of course, this can depend on print settings, resins etc, but from what I’ve seen, on
the Prusa SL1 using the Elegoo ABS-like resin, there definitely are differences.
But while the impact tests have very similar trends to how filament prints behave, the
bend and pull tests seem to be slightly contradicting that by performing better on average when
printed in a way that would separate the layers.
Now, I do script most of my videos, this one included, so I’ve had some time to think
about why this might be happening and the only good explanation, or speculation that
I can come up with is that resin prints end up with, I don’t want to say layers, but
plies, or a gradient within one layer, with varying hardness, maybe like how a spine has
rigid vertebrae and elastic discs between them.
In the load case that we pull on the entire thing, the softer plies stretch and conform,
and just like in for example PETG, help distribute the load across the entire cross-section that
the part has, but in bending or sideways load, the entire stress is taken up by just the
plies that are harder, while the softer ones just flex away and conform without actually
helping support the load.
In my mind, that makes a lot of sense right now, and I think is even consistent with what
the bend test was doing, but I could be completely wrong.
If you have a different explanation for what I’ve seen or have made entirely different
observations, please do let me know in the comments below, I’m finding these details
quite fascinating, but I also wouldn’t have expected that the resin prints would end up
performing so inconsistently.
Even in the impact tests, which remove me as the human element for the performing the
tests, there still seems to be enough leeway in the entire resin printing process to create
some quite unpredictable results.
In either case, I hope you found this just as interesting as I did, but I think I’ll
take it easy on resin printing tests for a bit, especially since I’m already feeling
my nose and throat getting reactions to that resin smell again when I walk into a room
that just has a resin machine in it.
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