>> JEFF, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
THAT REPORTING.
WE DO APPRECIATE IT.
>> WHAT EFFORTS WERE MADE TO TRY
TO BREAK THROUGH THAT DOOR.
WHAT EFFORTS WERE THEY MAKING TO
TRY TO BREAK THROUGH THAT DOOR
OR ANOTHER DOOR AND GET INSIDE
THAT CLASSROOM?
>> NONE AT THAT TIME.
HOW MANY STUDENTS DIED IN THAT
48 MINUTES?
GAVIN HAVE THAT ANSWER.
>> JOINING ME NOW IS CHRIS
WELKER, FORMER ASSISTANT FBI
DIRECTOR IN AN ACTION PACK IS A
RETIRED SERGEANT FROM THE LOS
ANGELES TO POLICE DEPARTMENT IT
WAS ALSO ONE OF THE RESPONDERS
TO THE 20 17TH SHOOTING AT THE
LOS ANGELES OR LAS VEGAS CONCERT
.
CHRIS, I WANT TO START WITH YOU.
EVIDENTLY NO EFFORTS WERE MADE
TO OPEN THAT DOOR EARLY ON IN
THE PROCESS.
AND WE HAVE NO IDEA HOW MANY
LIVES COULD HAVE BEEN SAVED
DURING THAT TIME.
YOU’RE A PROFESSIONAL, YOU STUDY
THIS, YOU TRAIN FOR THIS, WHAT
IS YOUR REACTION?
>> A LOT OF THINGS WENT WRONG
HERE.
RIGHT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING
FOR THE SECURITY OF THE SCHOOL,
ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT SECURITY
FLAWS THEY ARE.
THEY HAD THE PROCEDURES IN PLACE
, THEY CERTAINLY DIDN’T
PRACTICE THEM SO THAT IS THE
FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE.
THE RESPONSE IS A DIFFERENT
MATTER.
AS WE NOW KNOW, IN LISTENING TO
THEIR COLONEL DO HIS PRESS
CONFERENCE AS WE NOW KNOW, THEY
GATHERED TWO OFFICERS WENT DOWN
OUTSIDE THE DOOR, 19 OFFICERS
GATHERED OUTSIDE IN THE DECISION
WAS MADE TO WAIT.
NOW, WHAT WE DON’T KNOW IS
WHETHER THEY WERE IN TOUCH WITH
DISPATCH, THE 911 CENTER BECAUSE
IF THERE WERE AWARE THAT THESE
PEOPLE FROM INSIDE, THE CHILDREN
WERE CALLING FROM INSIDE THAT
ROOM, THEN THERE IS ABSOLUTELY
NO EXCUSE.
IT SHOULD’VE BEEN THE CHARGE OF
THE LIGHT REGGAE THEY SHOULD’VE
KEPT ON GOING UNTIL THEY
NEUTRALIZE THAT SHOOTER BECAUSE
YOU KNOW THERE ARE SURVIVORS
INSIDE AND HE IS STILL IN THERE.
YOU HATE TO MAKE HARSH JUDGMENTS
, BUT I THINK HE LAID
IT ON THE LINE TODAY.
I KNOW HIM AND HE HAS GREAT
INTEGRITY, WE KNOW ALSO THAT DPS
WAS NOT THE RESPONDING AGENCY.
THEY ARE THE INVESTIGATING
AGENCY, SO THEY TOOK WHAT THEY
WERE TOLD AND THEN RAN WITH THAT
FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS.
I THINK FINALLY AFTER TWO DAYS
THE TRUTH COMES OUT.
SO A LOT OF THINGS WENT WRONG
HERE, BUT CLEARLY THEY SHOULD
HAVE GONE IN.
>> SERGEANTS, YOU HAVE HAD A
LONG CAREER.
YOU STUDIED AND LOOKED AT THESE
THINGS IS ONE OF THE MOST
TERRIFIC SHOOTINGS WE’VE EVER
HAD IN THIS COUNTRY.
AS YOU SEE IT UNFOLDING WITH THE
LIMITED INFORMATION YOU HAVE,
WHAT IS YOUR REACTION?
>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
I AGREE WITH A SPECIAL AGENT AND
HONESTLY I WANT EVERYONE TO LOOK
AT THIS THREE TO LENSES, DON’T
PAINT ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT WITH A
BROAD BRUSH RIGHT NOW.
THERE ARE HEROES IN THAT
COMMUNITY, HEROES AND THAT
POLICE DEPARTMENT WHO RUSHED TO
GUNFIRE AND RUSHED INTO TRY TO
SAVE LIVES.
I THINK ULTIMATELY WHAT WE NEED
TO FIND OUT IS WHAT WAS THE
IDEAS IN THE THOUGHTS BEHIND THE
DECISION OF THE INCIDENT
COMMANDER ON THE SCENE TO TREAT
THIS AS A HOSTAGE SITUATION.
ITS BEST PRACTICES IN OUR
COUNTRY, AND WE TRAIN AND LAW
ENFORCEMENT, AND I TRAINED WHEN
I WAS A POLICE OFFICER, THE
OFFICERS UNDER MY PURVIEW THAT
ANYONE WHO IS SHOWING HOMICIDAL
INTENT, ESPECIALLY ON THE
HALLOWED GROUND THAT ARE THE
SCHOOLS HERE IN THIS COUNTRY IN
OUR CHILDREN BEING OUR MOST
PRECIOUS RESOURCE THAT WE HAVE,
WE HAVE TO RUSH IN AND WE HAVE
TO ASSUME THAT DEADLY FORCE MAY
BE WARRANTED.
WE CAN’T TREAT THIS AS A HOSTAGE
SITUATION.
YOU WERE SHOWING MURDEROUS
INTENT, IT WAS VERY EVIDENT FROM
THE SHOTS HE FIRED AT THE TWO
FOLKS WHO WERE WORKING AT I
BELIEVE A CEMETERY OR A FUNERAL
HOME.
THERE WAS A COLLAPSE AND
BREAKDOWN OF THE SCHOOL BEING
SECURED.
LEAVING A DOOR OPEN, HOW
HEARTBREAKING THAT IS, IT IS
SOMETHING WE HAVE ALL DONE, BUT
AS SCHOOL EMPLOYEES, PEOPLE THAT
ARE TRAINED TO SAFEGUARD OUR
CHILDREN, THIS IS SOMETHING WE
HAVE TO THINK ABOUT JUST THE
SIMPLE ACT OF WALKING A DOOR AND
HAVING THE ENTIRE CAMPUS ON THE
WALK DOWN THE MINUTE ANYTHING
FLIPS THAT RADAR OUTSIDE THAT
COULD BE AN ARMED ASSAILANT.
>> CHRIS, OBVIOUSLY THE
COMMUNICATION WILL BE SOMETHING
THEY CAN GO BACK IN HAVE SOME
FORENSICS ON THAT.
THE ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE, WITH
19 OFFICERS INSIDE WHICH WAS NEW
INFORMATION WE DIDN’T HEAR
BEFORE, AND THE IDEA THAT A
TEACHER LEFT A DOOR OPEN AND
THERE IS A SCHOOL LOCKDOWN IN
PLACE.
AT WHAT POINT DO YOU JUST SAY MY
GOODNESS, THIS COULD HAVE BEEN
PREVENTED?
>> IT WAS PREVENTABLE.
I DO SCHOOL SECURITY ASSESSMENTS
AND I SEE THIS A LOT.
WHERE, THEY UNDERSTAND THE RULES
, THEIR ON THE BOOKS, THE
PROTOCOLS ARE THERE, THEY’RE IN
A BOOK GATHERING DUST ON THE
CORNER OF THE DESK, BUT NOBODY
PUTS THEM IN PRACTICE.
YOU SEE TIME AND TIME AGAIN THAT
TEACHERS WILL PROP DOORS OPEN.
ALL I CAN SAY IS YOU HAVE TO
TRUST BUT VERIFY IN THIS
SITUATION.
SOMEONE HAS TO COME AROUND AND
DO A PERIODIC ASSESSMENT OF THE
SCHOOL SECURITY.
IN THINK THERE’S ONLY A MIDDLE
SCHOOL, HIGH SCHOOL AND IN THE
COUNTY I DON’T THINK IT’S A LOT
TO ASK THAT SOMEONE COME AROUND
PERIODICALLY AND DO A
THIRD-PARTY ASSESSMENT TO MAKE
SURE THAT THEY ARE FOLLOWING
THEIR OWN PROTOCOLS.
IT WAS IN THE BOOKS TO KEEP
EVERYTHING LOCKED, ONE POINT OF
ENTRY DURING SCHOOL HOURS, HOW
TO LOCK THINGS DONE WHEN THERE
IS TROUBLE, HOW TO COMMUNICATE
THE LOCKDOWN WHICH IS ALWAYS A
PROBLEM.
ONE TEACHER KNOWS TO DO IT, BUT
HOW DO YOU GET EVERYBODY KNOWING
WHAT TO DO.
I CAN’T TELL YOU HOW MANY
BREAKDOWNS THERE WERE ON THE