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- We gotta talk about Deadpool's inner voices,
Superman's birthday,
and comic book origin stories of supervillains.
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On the video we did about Deadpool's inner voices,
which you can check out right over there,
I think the number one comment thread
we had was about how the character
of Dr. Bong relates into all of this.
So to summarize this all really quickly:
So if Madcap was one of the voices in Deadpool's head,
who was the other one?
You instinctually think,
oh it's just Deadpool's inner monologue,
but a lot of people were insisting
that the other one was a character
called Dr. Bong.
Not only that,
I said Madcap was the white boxes
when really a lot of commenters
were saying Madcap was the yellow boxes
and Dr. Bong was the white boxes.
Now as far as I can tell, this is not true.
I asked you guys for some sources to this,
and you guys did not disappoint.
You hit me up with a ton
of comic books to check out
that apparently explained this,
but as I read them,
this information about Dr. Bong
being a voice in Deadpool's head
is nowhere in the sources
that everyone led me to believe
that they would be in.
And interestingly enough,
one of the comics that was brought up a lot
that I should check out for this source
is Deadpool annual #13,
which is literally the comic book
that I talked about in the video
and mentions nothing about Dr. Bong,
and in fact, in that comic book,
we see very clearly that Madcap is the white boxes
not the yellow boxes
as a lot of people were insisting.
I don't know where this information comes from.
I don't know why people are insisting that it's true,
because I keep checking sources,
I can't find anything about it.
But the fact that so many people
are insisting that it's true
makes me think that I'm missing something.
So if I am, please let me know,
please tell me more sources in the comments.
I'll put right down here, we'll show all the ones
that I've already checked out and found nothing in,
that way we won't get repeated sources.
If you can actually take a screenshot of it
and send it to me on Twitter,
that would be amazing
so I can stop, you know,
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frantically looking and wasting time.
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But in summary, as far as I can tell,
Dr. Bong has nothing to do with anything.
Speaking of Twitter, jakeriv16 tweeted at me
a picture from a comic that I think is Teen Titans,
about showcasing very explicitly
three characters who represent the id, ego, and superego,
that's Impulse, Superboy, and Robin.
And I wonder how many other comic books
explicitly state their characters as representing
the Freudian model of personality.
If you have more screenshots of this stuff,
please send it to me,
I find this stuff fascinating.
But my favorite comment on the Deadpool video
has to go to Jordan D. White,
a person who is actually working on Deadpool comics
right now, which is super exciting.
Thank you so much for watching the video!
He tells this amazing story about his original pitch
for the original idea of why
Deadpool has two inner monologues.
In his pitch, he had this idea
that every single comic book monologue voice box
was actually not the character,
but rather a symbiotic, psychic creature
that I guess lives in their brain,
which is so fascinating to me
and really, really, it's really interesting.
And apparently the idea was that
having two of these creatures
inside your head would be deadly,
but Deadpool has the healing factor,
so he can allow for those two fighting voices,
wheras other people couldn't.
Unfortunately, this never came to fruition
and they went with the Madcap idea.
Still, though, I think that is
just so cool, and I'm going to adopt it
into my head canon.
Every single comic book caption box
is a psychic creature.
So Jordan D. White, you are winning this week's
Nerd Sync no prize, congratulations, sir.
It means nothing.
It's nothing.
In the video we did about Superman's birthday,
Norman Miller and a few other people brought up
the Man of Steel mini-series
which shows that the rocket
that Superman traveled to Earth in
was actually a gestation pod of sorts,
so he actually wasn't born on Krypton,
he was born when he was taken out of the rocket
on Earth, so he is a citizen of Earth,
and so the day that he crash-landed
is the exact same day he was born, technically,
which is really interesting to think about.
Yeah, I don't really know,
I'm kinda trying it out,
maybe give it a little bit more time, might grow on you.
What do the rest of you guys think, though?
I don't know, still playing with it.
In the video we did about comic book origin stories,
which was a lot of fun,
you guys really liked that one,
MrDariox555 leaves a really great comment
talking about his take on origin stories
saying that they're a way to make
a very powerful character relatable
to us people who are, most likely,
not super powerful like them,
which is a really good point
that I didn't even think about.
Yosi Berman brings up origin story fatigue
which is something I very briefly touched on in the video.
I had a big section written about it,
but I ended up cutting it out.
But yeah, I think the idea
of origin story fatigue,
to kind of restate something that Kevin Fiege said
is that people aren't really tired of seeing origin stories,
they're just tired of seeing the same origin story, right?
Like how many times do we need
to see Batman's parents get killed?
I think we get it.
Same with Spider-Man.
If they make a new Spider-Man movie,
we don't need to see his origin again.
And this was something that was brought up
with the rumor that the Doctor Strange movie
might not have an origin,
but Kevin Fiege was saying,
no, of course, we're gonna do an origin,
he has a crazy awesome origin,
which I agree with, Doctor Strange has a great origin.
Yeah, so I don't really know
how I stand on this idea of origin story fatigue,
I will say that a movie like Deadpool, for example,
did it very well and told the origin
in a very different way
than a lot of comic book movies tell their origins
and I think it really paid off.
I think, yeah, I would say,
maybe we're not sick of origins,
we're just sick of the same origins,
and also origins being told in the same way
if that makes sense.
Ben Meade says a really fantastic question
that I actually struggled while writing that video,
which is how long does an origin story last?
or what point does it end, essentially?
Cause we had gathered all that data about superhero movies,
and this is something that
I still don't really know the answer to.
Take Captain America for example.
I have a really hard time trying to figure out
what point of that movie does the origin story end.
Is it after he gets injected with super soldier serum,
is after he fights the first Hydra agent he encounters,
is it after he goes on his first mission,
maybe the whole movie is an origin story
and it stops when he wakes up in the present,
I don't know, and it's hard to determine
precisely when an origin stops.
Is it just like, are we constantly having,
is this a part of my origin right now?
I don't know, when does it stop?
I would love to know you guys' thoughts on this, though.
I've been thinking about it a lot lately
and I don't have an answer for it.
The last comment we're gonna take
comes from Comics Amino
from a user The Comic Issue who asks
if the three types of origin stories apply to super villains
as well as superheroes,
and yeah, they absolutely do.
Something that Rosenberg points out is that
with supervillains, a lot of it is a matter of perspective.
So Magneto could be considered a super villain
to a lot of people,
but to him, he's a hero,
because what he's doing,
he's doing for the right thing,
he's doing for the right cause in his own mind
from his own perspective
and a lot of people can actually see that as well.
You can take a character like Poison Ivy
who Rosenberg says would kind of be equivalent
to an eco-terrorist
where we might say she's going way too far,
she's obviously a villain,
but to her it's completely selfless
and she believes wholeheartedly
that she's doing the right thing,
and from her own perspective, she's not a villain.
Well then you get characters who are pure evil,
like Joker, who just care about chaos and destruction
and having fun.
I had this tangent at the end of the video
that talked about how
a same tragic experience could happen
between a hero and villain
but they would react in different ways,
like Batman could take a tragedy that happened
when he was a kid and turn it into a fulfilling life,
turn it into, this is a lesson,
this is a thing that happened for a reason,
so I'm going to try and make the world a better place.
Whereas you get a character,
I can't think of any examples right now,
but you know, like, the classic villain
where you see something bad happens to them,
and they immediately go clearly the world sucks
it's not doing me any favors,
I'm just gonna be reckless and be greedy
and do whatever I want
cause that's the lesson that I learned
from this traumatic experience.
So it's all about how certain people react
to trauma
or the accidents that happen, things like that
that turn a character into a hero or a villain effectively.
Boy, I hope that makes sense,
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