Shawn, most people don't have the ability to change things
although they think they have. You can hire a man
for so much money, he's out to repair your roof
or it might leak, depending
his competence. So we don't have
chance takers so to speak
we don't take chances, we have technical
competence. That means the ability
to deal with the problems your assigned.
But its not technical elitism
its not technical elitism
Jacque: No its not technical elitism
They're assigned duties if you come into the
Venus Project, they say, "What is your training?"
say interior design, that means designing a house
with the easy access with safety devices
thats what you'd be doing, designing a house
so there's no fires no short circuits
and the kids can't stick a screwdriver in an electrical circuit
if they did nothing would happen. In other words,
you would be into what children are apt to do without training
without sufficient training. So you try to block the occurrence from
happening
you don't try to treat it after it happens. Today we make laws
after a man kills somebody, we make a law
Thou shalt not kill. We don't do it before
Shawn: Right, we are reactive instead of proactive.
Yes, exactly. Is it perfect? No,
just a lot better than the present-day system
and as time goes on it'll become shorter
better and and improve communication
in each discipline, there is no ideal
discipline as you can train a person in. say, "That's it!"
forever. It isn't, it undergoes
change as innovation comes in.
Alright, and, move on to the next question. This one is:
what are the conditions required to perform experiments in the first city
to prove or refute
whether whether the theory works or not?
The first city would take students that have studied The Venus Project
That have been trained in how to react
in relation to accomplishing a given task
and if they are trained appropriately, they do the task appropriately
if they're not, they don't even get to that position
the first city itself... is to test the validity
of The Venus Project's proposals. We also see it as a research center.
a large research center to develop
the next city, more efficiently.
test out some more construction techniques, more manufacturing techniques more
or who to call if you don't know the answer you know who to call
and I imagine the place having a massive amount of tours
and showing people in and out of the city maybe even
staying for a period of time to take classes and be orientated
When you get a subway train today its operated there's a machine operator
a conductor but they're being done away with
machines are taking the place the train operator
especially on airports today, there's nobody
that operates the transportation system, it's automated.
But before the train stops, it tells you
at Station 2d we have music
restaurants, etc. Your informed
before you get out of the train or the plane.
And I never see anybody protesting that. I never see people protesting stoplights, or stop signs.
These are all things that existed prior to them
they can make recommendations, and it goes to the recommendation center.
And they can respond with a person making the recommendations.
They ask further questions. Right And you want to eventually eliminate
stop signs and the stop lights, and just have transportation that's efficient.
There's nobody accusing
the local board of people that, of engineers that put up the plumbing throughout the city
or the electrical systems, of technological elitism.
Nobody's accusing them of that. It's simply taking care of
the necessities of life for humans
and even doing it on a much larger scale. And naturally, if a competent person is ill,
he is replaced by another competent person.
We don't have a problem then,
if there's lots of technicians lined up for each job
and most people no need to work
they can go to centers where they learn
how to write, or they learn how to communicate better
or they teach communication, or take up any course
that you feel, not so much that you feel,
that the nation feels is needed.
Not the nation, the globe. Yes. The world right?
No nations, the global
interpretation is what we use. OK
What is needed globally.
And your trained in that area.
If you come up with a new field, we train people in that new field
right away, because you can't rely on
the others, everybody is updated
on what to expect.
That would be one of the interesting values in a Resource Based Economy is to know that
when you go through this education, when you do this work
when you do this contribution, your contributing to global society.
Which is...And you know where to go, to find the answers
you don't get into conflict with people
There's no debates, there's dialogue. You know the difference?
You talk with a person, they talk back. Debate is out to win.
We're not out to win. We're out to accomplish
a given task with a minimum expenditure energy
and temperament. And that is the reinforcement
because your standard living goes up continuously as well
and that you know that you're participating in that.
That's the reinforcement. And even with all that, you might only have to contribute
a couple hours a week, if any at all. Because less than ten percent of
the world population, maybe closer to six-percent
would ever need to work to sustain such a system.
That's the estimates, I don't know how it will work out.
Even if machines do all the work man is still
going to do creative work. He's going to
look at things, make a recommendations
but there'd be people that are specialized in how to make
recommendation. Gotcha.
I have a weird question here, maybe it's not a weird question. I'll go ahead and ask it
It's been asked before. What will happen to the bodies of
the deceased in a Resource Based Economy?
I would have to leave that up to the Resourced Based Economy.
Those people that are trained
in the new social development, leave their bodies to science.
But they wouldn't be embalmed
and put in the ground because even today they have embalming
fluid that's going in the drinking water of every city
because of that, those practices.
And yeah, the purpose of embalming fluid is to allow their skin to remain
for the viewing, which is also another discussion alltogether
whether that's relevant or not
Like you said, it's polluting the underwater ground system, so it's
polluting our food, polluting our drinking water and just
so we can preserve the body for a couple of days
for funeral procession. All the laws will be changed
so they become functional. But you know all those are really old
rituals. To look at the dead, and preserve them
Cultures from a long time ago have all those
old myths about. I wouldn't say
that the majority can make the switch right away.
Those that can't make the switch, they will be taken care of
and we'll keep things as they know them
until they have watched enough TV's and radio shows
in the future, to know the difference.
Taken care in the sense of... You can't shove people into the future
you can expose them to it. Those that wish to live in the new cities, will.
Those that can't, won't.
Makes sense.
I think it will become obvious over time.
Over time, not by military means
torture or imprisonment. There will be no prisons,
no police. Since people have access
to the necessities of life, they do not steal.
Keep what works, shed what does not.
Let the things that don't work, the inneficient
things fall off to the wayside. Over time.
I try to tell people, when we talk about this to the public.
There's no need to stop or prevent
or remove anything you don't have to use these words
we will just start working on relevant things, and irrelevant things will fade away.
They don't use the old telephone anymore
There may be 150 people in an airliner
only two operate the airliner. The navigater
and the pilot. 150 people do not
participate in the operation of that airliner.
So when you say, "What will people do?"
They sit around in an airliner, they just enjoy the view
But they don't have to do anything. That's not to say that they can't participate. Of course they can.
Well very few of them would be an airline pilot, that can walk in
in an emergency. In an emergency
if the pilot has, say a heart attack
the plane takes over. Otherwise we have two pilots.
Until we have it automated that way,
we will use redundancy.
You know they say what will people do, most people don't do today what they want to do
they really restricted in terms of what they can do financially.
Many people don't even know what they want to do, they've never been
given an opportunity even think about it.
They're told or directed into certain areas of their life.
Oh my god. So what you're saying, in this culture, you don't even dare to dream cause of pain.
That's right, they say you live in quiet desperation even when you are interested in something when
you're younger you shoved
out of that to do something that makes a living.
Most people are convinced by
the new television systems of the profession
their studying. In other words, their professions
that they study will be what's needed at the time.
You don't become a plumber in the future,
when plumbing becomes automated.
So you can't pick your field. (today) The fields that are available are listed
and you can pick from that list, which are hundreds of different things to do.
but that's up to you. If you find that working on human factors
being of interest to you, you can look up
anything you want to and pick whatever is
needed, we don't train people in professions that are not needed.
Like sales people. You can get specifications
of a product. The durability
whatever you want to know is available, but you don't need a salesman.
How much mental capacity on Earth today is wasted?
In irrelevant professions
or never even come into fruition because of no education or... for many reasons
Well if you took a person from this culture
and put them in the future, they'd say,
"I don't understand this, I don't understand it at all!" And that's true.
Like I say, if you took your grandmother to Miami Beach
and she saw the girls walking around in bikinis, she might say, "They've gone to far!"
Because of her background.
But you understand it's her background, not that she's stupid.
Her background. Now most of those backgrounds will be eliminated
in the future by education out of it.
And that's what the trends show already, the trends are already showing these things.
If you can't make the adjustment, other nations
will pass you by. But they are still teaching
so many professions that are... obsolete...
pushing money around sales people insurance people advertising
bankers lawyers so many things that people learn
they just take advantage one another
they don't really contribute very much, they're parasites in this system
I just had visual when I was in the military,
we use to have to sweep dust in the parking lots all the time
just ridiculous, one of our things. All I was doing was pushing dirt from one place to another.
The Earth is covered in dirt, so what am I doing?
So I liken that to... sorry Jacque
I liken that to the money people, they are just pushing it in different areas.
Shawn, instead of a Pentagon, you have
a lot of people trained in bridging the difference between nations
the Pentagon would serve as an organization
as an intermediate organization
to bridge the different between cultures.
There's hundreds of thousands, if not millions of soldiers on the planet,
if they were retrained into being scientists, engineers, mathemeticians
all these things, medical people, a how much
would all of our standards of living be higher, just by that alone?
You get people who get their kicks out of
helping one another in learning things and doing something constructive.
Instead of getting their kicks out of beating somebody. Oh I thought...
Shawn, do you feel there is any question I didn't answer?
No no, I was just trying to answer some questions from the community
and trying to get you to respond to their questions.
I think they value that a lot from you, and it is nice of you to do that
and to come on the show obviously. Anything else?
I have one more thing it's probably more
for Joel and Roxanne and it has to do with their documentary
updates on that and how's it going? You guys raised the money
for it... "What documentary?"
Joel's entire life right now right?
All day every day working on that thing, also you right?
On top of all The Venus Project management and that type of stuff. Well we both do all that management, we split that job too
because it is just too much for two people. Well you often have like ten jobs at the same time, it's really, it's amazing.
But the documentary is coming along well
We're getting a lot of people
We're getting interviews from people and Joel has been running around the country...
And this wasn't something that we put in, that we had in the original
plans but because we did reach those... a degree of the stretch goals
we decided to do it, and spend the money on getting these interviews.
And they are very, we think they will enrich the whole... film.
The interviews are something we thought of
afterwards, we did reach
that goal. So Joel has been running around the country getting the
interviews and we are really having them describe the conditions of
society today. And then reinforcing
a lot of the clips he already has within the film.
We think it will... Yes one person is an
environmental specialist in how we can transition over to
how it's totally possible and he explains and gives hard data
of how you can convert the whole United States in 20 years
to renewable resources, no fossil fuel burning.
Most people don't even know what the problems are today
They don't even know what question to ask.
But in the future they will, they'll be shown how our system works.
Children will be taken on tours to every industry
so they see how things are made and they understand where it comes from.
And they understand different production methods.
They understand the meaning of automation.
They don't argue about what will people do.
I imagine how people go about, what do I want to do with my life.
And they have their heroes, they have their sports heroes their super heroes, their comic book heroes
Their father or mother wants to push them into a certain direction.
So the decision they make with their life, their future and their profession
is based on environment.
And in the future I imagine a child, a relatively young child
who at least has access to information says, "I wanna become an astronaut."
and the computer displays the entire path
of becoming an astronaut, and that child has much more information almost immediately
then our current people today have over a 20-year period.
So I think that's going to be an awesome advantage in the future too.
And they probably wouldn't be aspiring to just one thing.
Because being an astronaut means learning about many different things.
Right, and it can branch off very easily into many other aspects. Because that's a pretty broad field also.
When they say, "What will motivate people, if they have access to things?"
Just say the end of war, poverty, starvation in the world.
Arguments between husband-and-wife, all that will disappear.
Fist fights will disappear. The common things that we've been
conditioned to want to watch, prize fights, will disappear.
Because it harms the brain people not because
Fresco doesn't like fights.
There's really nothing, at no time will we reach a plateau where there's
no other inquiry. Things will always be changing.
It's like when you get T.V.
then people start thinking of 3-dimensional T.V.
Or when you get cameras or computers that are faster, then they get
faster and smaller and more efficient and don't heat up.
We haven't even finished exploring Earth yet.
We're far from that, we haven't been to the depths of the ocean, we haven't really
explored all aspects of Earth.
And that's not even including later on after, much in the future when we are dealing with space
That's nearly limitless exploration and endeavors.
And if they ask more questions you can write them down.
Remember, The Venus Project is a very different system.
That's why you can't use comparisons with today's system.
That's all the referent that people have at this point though. Of course.
That's why we stress education, it gives a person more tools,
more capabilities to understand more things. That's why semantics doesn't mean anything
in a monetary system because it doesn't change the system
You can't exceed the system with language.
You can only exceed the system with events.
Recommended procedures that are better.
You can't exceed the system by telling people to be good,
be kind be considerate. You have to take away the conditions
that makes it necessary for you to be kind.
And to be kind, you design highways that aren't slippery
where no accidents, or less accidents occur.
In the future, everybody becomes an innovator
A CREATOR.
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