- Oh.
- (laughs) Sorbet died.
- You know what? - No!
- Maybe Sorbet's in the Order!
'Cause Sorbet be popping out in Order stuff.
- Yeah.
- Maybe Sorbet's part of the Order of X.
- I think Sorbet's having babies somewhere.
- That is the question, though, with Sorbet.
- Sorbet has not reunited with its owner
and that's really stressful to viewers because--
- Maybe Sorbet wanted his freedom.
- Yeah Sorbet wanted, is Sorbet a him?
- He wanted freedom.
- Sorbet wanted his independence.
- Kelsie loved that dog.
- He didn't want to be put in those little outfits anymore.
He wanted freedom. That's it.
So, that's where he is.
- And then maybe he'll come back.
- Being free.
- The answer is we don't know.
(laughs)
We have no idea.
- Well, I remember filming that
and the pictures on the wall
were actually our crew members so,
we were like "Justin, who are we gawking at?",
and he was like, "Just, you know,
"the most famous Black people you can think of like
"Michelle Obama and I don't know, Oprah--
- Barack Obama! - just there on the wall."
So that's kind of who we're supposed to think is in it.
And it's all of the most elite people in the world,
basically.
- I feel like we put it out in the Universe.
Like when they were asking us what we really wanted to see
and I was like I really want to see Coco's relationship
with her mother.
And then when they cut to
oh Coco's mom is coming to Winchester,
I was just like, please have Yvette Nicole Brown
please have Yvette Nicole Brown.
And they asked me who I wanted
and I was like I don't want to jinx
it so I didn't say anything.
So when I saw her name on the trailer,
I did the illest happy dance you've ever seen in your life
because I think she's brilliant
and I felt like the energy would have been unreal
and it was unreal.
She has, like, such a warmth to her and spirit to her
that I felt like
yes, the comedy was gonna be there,
but the heart was gonna be there more
and I thought that was just gonna be
the most important part of it.
And she's hilarious!
Like, I can't wait til people see that dinner party.
I think, for Coco, the fact that
she's so used to presenting this idea of perfection
and people not having any idea
of what her background is like
and then, cut to, we bring her mother.
And her mother's the exact opposite
of what people believe she is.
Then she's kind of hit with the reality
of where she came from,
where she wants to be,
and where she is at this moment
and has to have, you know,
some real conversations with herself.
- Joelle is-- loves Moses as well.
She thinks Moses is amazing.
She thinks what he's doing on campus is fantastic
and she's completely behind him.
I think she's a little irked, obviously, that, like,
her boyfriend is so consumed in this man,
but she's okay with it because she kind of understands why
and wants him to have a mentor that's wonderful.
But it leads to kind of a big blowup because
unfortunately, Reggie is not able to see him in any light
other than being magnificent and without any fault.
And Joelle believes that people can make mistakes.
People can do bad things
and we have to take that for what it is
and she does that in a way
that I think is completely unapologetic.
And I think the drama of it all is that
they're in a new relationship
and the whole season she's
trying to tread on water,
doesn't want to say this, doesn't want to say that
and it's kind of holding--
she's actually kind of holding back part of her true self,
but when it comes to how she feels about this issue
concerning another woman on campus,
she's unable to do that.
The relationship doesn't-- it almost doesn't really matter
because if someone that is in this
close proximity with my partner,
with her partner has hurt someone in this way,
then we have to talk about it
and that's not okay
and we cannot just assume
that because they're wonderful
and he's helping me with this
and he's helping me with that,
that he couldn't have also been the same person
that did something very heinous.
So I love that Joelle sticks up for her,
not only for herself, but for women and for Muffy
and says if you can't get this through your head,
then that's on you, but I can't sit by
and take on your viewpoint on this.
I disagree.
And I hope that it encourages other women
to do the same.
I think that Joelle and Reggie,
they were just completely apprehensive
going in to their relationship to begin with.
They gave it a shot because
I think that they know that
they had the potential to be a power couple
and fantastic and really care about each other,
but they're coming from so much hurt
and confusion and, like, love triangles
that I think that there was always, like,
"Should we do this?
"Is this gonna work?
"Shouldn't we?"
And so, I think seeing them give it a shot in season three
and seeing how rocky it is,
I wonder, in season four, if they're gonna keep it going
because there's also the juxtaposition of Rashid
in this season.
I don't know that Reggie has always given Joelle
everything she needs or deserves,
even in this season.
And every relationship isn't perfect,
but I think that Joelle, for me,
I think she's heading into a place of
more independence, like I mentioned earlier.
Like, I don't know that she'll
go into that independence still with a boyfriend on her arm,
maybe she will, maybe they'll work it out,
maybe they'll go to couples therapy.
I'm not sure, but where they're at now,
I think they need a little bit of help.
- When we're talking about
the evolution of these characters,
it's so nice to see that growth.
I think in yesteryear,
it would just be like well, whatever I want,
I don't really care how it affects other people.
And now, its like,
well I see a friend of mine that's hurting
and regardless of the fact that she may have
done a few things in her past that hurt me,
it didn't matter.
I felt like it was really nice to see that she was saying
I don't care what he did to you,
I don't care who's hero he is,
if he hurt you, let's handle this, you know?
It's weird because I thought Muffy and Coco wouldn't talk
after what happened with Muffy and Troy,
but it's interesting for us to see
that, like, everybody wants love and
they're gonna search out love in any way, shape, or form
that they want to.
And sometimes when people are hurting,
they have a tendency to do things to hurt other people.
So it's nice to see that relationship heal
and to see them grow back together
and then also to see Coco have her friend's back
and have her friend have her back in return.
It was really nice to see that.
- Well I think Troy,
I am so proud of Troy as a character,
like, he's come a long way--
- Yeah. - Yeah.
- And watching him with his dad,
like their relationship blossom,
and him with Pastiche,
and being like, "You know what,
"I have been literally, like on my knees
"trying to like--
- He's speaking up.
- "get you guys to love me.
"I'm gonna go do this on my own."
And I feel like there's a lot of allusions to that
in the series, you know.
Sam mentions it to Coco with Queensfield,
like maybe you need to be the first one to do it,
Joelle with the radio station ,
there's so much of that.
Troy's dad bringing him into the fold is very interesting,
like is Dean Fairbanks gonna be in the Scooby-Doo
mystery van?
- He's totally Scooby.
- He is a Scooby.
- He's not Velma.
He's totally Scooby.
- Coco, you want Dear White People?
(laughs) - Well--
- Girls, I can't do this girls.
It was hard girl.
I can't do it.
(laughs) - You have a theory?
- I think that Dear White People goes away.
The catalyst for Dear White People isn't the same
and the way in which Sam used Dear White People
to express herself, she's choosing a different way.
And we're all choosing different ways,
which is why this season is so brilliant.
So I think that it's almost like the radio show is becoming
a thing of the past a little bit
and I think we're evolving into something bigger,
something greater,
something's that's gonna reach even more people.
But what's brilliant about Justin in the show is that
we don't need the radio show for the show
to still be brilliant and great
and continue and break more stories.
- I have a theory that the radio station doesn't leave
because it reminds me of the show in the sense that
every season, well this season in particular,
Justin has really taken something that already exists
and changed the format.
So I'm wondering if the radio station exists
and maybe it's not called Dear White People.
Maybe it's called something else--
- Well that's what I meant.
It's just a different-- it's not Dear White People.
- We're still in the station--
- But it's still, yeah.
We're still in the station,
because that station is like--
it's iconic. - It's a heartbeat.
- It's the heartbeat of everything
and I wonder, like, maybe everyone is in the radio station,
you know, maybe it's everyone's voices.
- Maybe do our caucus meetings there.
We start--
- Our caucuses are live on the radio station.
- Yes.
And Armstrong-Parker and their radio station.
- Yeah.
I definitely feel like that's a very important part.
- Maybe it becomes a vlog, I don't know.
I don't know what they're gonna do.