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>>> WERE BACK WITH CHIEF DEPUTY GARY BRANNAN, JUDGE JOHN TYSONY
GARY BRANNAN, JUDGE JOHN TYSON AND PAIGE RUIZ.
SHE WAS THE ONLY WITNESS TO THE
MURDER OF HER AUNT YEARS AGO.
THE CASE WAS COLD UNTIL A KNIFE
WAS FOUND ON THE MURDER SCENE IN
WISCONSIN.
WISCONSIN.
YOU ARE TRYING THAT CASE.
YOU HAVE THE KNIFE. IT HAS THE DNA OF HIS MOM ON IT.
BUT THERES A MYSTERY DNA OF TWO
OTHER WOMEN.
OTHER WOMEN. YOU WIND UP LOSING THE CASE.
>> I DO.
>> I DO. >> IS IT TRUE THAT YOU WALKED
AROUND FEELING GUILTY?
>> IM GOING TO TAKE FULL
RESPONSIBILITY FOR LOSING THE
CASE.
CASE.
THE SEARCH WARRANT, THERE WERE ISSUES, BUT IT WAS MY FAULT.RE
ISSUES, BUT IT WAS MY FAULT. I FELT TERRIBLE.
I LET MY COMMUNITY DOWN.
I FEEL FOR THE PEOPLE WHO HAD
ELECTED ME, MY FAMILY.
AND I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED
THAT MY JOB WAS IN JEOPARDY.
>> A LOT OF PROSECUTORS HAVE HAD
THAT DISAPPOINTMENT AND MOVED ON
WITH THEIR LIVES.
YOU STAYED ON IT.
YOU SEARCHED DATABASES.
YOU USED GOOGLE.
YOU USED EVERY RESEARCH TOOL TO
THINK OF FOR WHAT?
WHAT WERE YOU LOOKING FOR?
>> I KNEW I HAD UNIDENTIFIED DNA
ON A KNIFE.
IT BELONGED TO TWO WOMEN WHO
WERE RELATED TO ONE ANOTHER.
AND I JUST, I GUESS THE ASSUMES
ASSUMPTION WAS, HAD TO BE
RELATED TO A VIOLENT CRIME AND
PROBABLY A HOMICIDE.
I TRIED TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND
WHERE GOOD LAW ENFORCEMENT HAD
ALREADY LOOKED.
ALREADY LOOKED. AND I WENT TO THINGS THAT
PROBABLY, MAYBE WHERE THE
POSTING MIGHT HAVE HAD AN ERROR
IN IT.
IN IT. WENT BEYOND THE NORMAL SEARCH.
AND STARTED TO FIND SOME HITS.
I REMEMBER PRINTING OFF A SMALL
PILE OF PAPERS, WHERE WERE
MISSING THIS PERSON OR UNSOLVED
INSIDE IN THIS STATE.
>> AND THERE WAS A MOMENT WHEN
YOU FOUND A PAGE THAT HAD YOUR
GRANDMOTHER AND YOUR AUNT ON
THEM.
THEM. TWO RELATED RIM EDD WOMEN WHO HA
MURDERED THE SAME MONTH AS YOUR
VICTIM HAD IN MARCH OF 2000.
AND A FATEFUL PHONE CALL WAS
PLACED FROM JOHN TO GARY, WHO
HAD BEEN DEALING WITH THIS CASE
FOR SO LONG.
AND WHAT DID YOU FEEL WHEN JOHN CALLED YOU UP AND TELL YOU ABOUT
THIS CASE?
THIS CASE?
>> HONESTLY, I THOUGHT SOMEBODY
WAS TELLING A JOKE ON ME.
IT MADE ME MAD.
THE MORE I TALKED TO JOHN, HE
STARTED TO CONVINCE ME HE WAS A REAL PROSECUTOR AND A REALWAS A
REAL PROSECUTOR AND A REAL PERSON AND THIS WASNT A JOKE
BECAUSE WE HAD BEEN SO ANXIOUS
WITH THIS, SO HOPEFUL SO MANY
TIMES BEFORE AND IT DIDNT WORK
OUT.
OUT.
>> HE KNEW THINGS HE COULDNT POSSIBLY KNOW.NGS HE COULDNT
POSSIBLY KNOW.
>> THE MORE HE TOLD ME ABOUT IT, THERE WERE OTHER DETECTIVES INT,
THERE WERE OTHER DETECTIVES IN THE ROOM LISTENING.
AND THE CONSENSUS WAS, IF THIS
ISNT IT, IT IS NEVER GOING TO BE IT.T, IT IS NEVER GOING TO
BE IT. AND WITHIN 24 HOURS OF US
GETTING THE WISCONSIN LAB AND
THE FLORIDA LAB TALKING TO EACH
OTHER, WE KNEW WE HAD A POSITIVE
MATCH OF DNA OFF THE KNIFE.
AND IT WAS LIKE YOU HAD TAKEN A
TON OF BRICKS OFF OF ME.
>> THAT JUST GAVE ME THE CHILLS.
THE SHOE LEATHER DETECTIVE AND
INVESTIGATIVE WORK THAT IT TOOK,
THE CROSS JURISDICTIONS.
YOU, WITH YOUR THERAPY, YOUR
HYPNOSIS, DIRECTING THE RECORD
AND HELP SET THEM DOWN THE RIGHT
PATH.
PATH.
I WANT TO BRING IN THE HOST OF THIS SHOW, A FORMER PROSECUTOR.
NEVER LOST A CASE, BY THE WAY.
HEADED UP THE HOMICIDE UNIT.
SHES THE HOST OF "TRUE
CONVICTION."
CONVICTION."
SHES HERE WITH US NOW. HES A HERO.ITH US NOW.
HES A HERO. JOHNS UNWILLINGNESS TO LET GO
AND GARYS SHOE LEATHER,
COMMITMENT TO THE CASE.
TALK ABOUT THAT.
>> ITS EVERYTHING I WANT TO
HIGHLIGHT IN THIS SHOW.
YOU HAVE THE OBVIOUS KEEPING
MEMORIES ALIVE HERE OF THE
VICTIMS.
VICTIMS. AND IT SHOWS THE TIRELESS WORK
OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.
THIS STORY SPOKE TO ME.
WERE DOING IT FROM THE
PROSECUTORS LENS, THAT WE WANT
TO SHOW IT ALL.
HERE, IN A MOMENT OF REAL LOW,
HE DIDNT JUST PUSH IT OFF HIS
DESK AND SAY, LETS GO TO THE
NEXT THING.
NEXT THING.
HE SAID, IM GOING TO WORK FOR JUSTICE, IN SUCH A WAY WE WOULD
NEVER IMAGINE.
NEVER IMAGINE.
HE GOT ON THE INTERNET AND
ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
HE GAVE SOME CLOSURE TO ANOTHER
FAMILY.
>> AND JUSTICE WAS BROUGHT. THE DEFENDANT REPRESENTEDT.
THE DEFENDANT REPRESENTED HIMSELF AT TRIAL.
AND THAT WOUND UP AS YOU MIGHT
EXPECT.
EXPECT.
HE WAS CONVICTED AND HE HAS BEEN SENTENCED TO DIE FOR HIS CRIMES.
ANY MOTIVE EVER UNCOVERED?
>> THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF
WAS HE WAS TRYING TO ESTABLISH
AN ALIBI FOR WHAT HE HAD DONE IN
WISCONSIN.
WISCONSIN.
>> PERHAPS THE MURDER OF HIS MOTHER WAS A CRIME OF -- HIS
MOTHER WAS A CRIME OF -- >> THERES NO WAY OF KNOWING.
BUT HE DID THE ONE IN FLORIDA, I
BELIEVE, TO HELP CONVINCE THE
AUTHORITIES IN WISCONSIN, IT WAS
A DRUG DEALING GANG THAT WAS
TRYING TO FRAME HIM FOR THESE
MURDERS.
MURDERS.
IN HIS TWISTED MIND, THAT WAS
HIS DEFENSE.
>> HE WAS ACQUITTED OF HIS MOTHERS MURDER.TTED OF HIS
MOTHERS MURDER.
THAT CASE HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN AGAINST HIM.S NOT BEEN PROVEN
AGAINST HIM.
THE AUDIENCE CAN DRAW THEIR OWN CONCLUSIONS ON WHAT THEYEIR OWN
CONCLUSIONS ON WHAT THEY BELIEVE.
BELIEVE.
ARE YOU DOING OKAY?
>> YES.
>> GOOD FOR YOU.
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