x58 and the accompanying i7 cpus were released all the way back in 2008
and then two years after that there was a architecture known as westmire
which was released in the form of the i7 980x
and also on the xeon side the x5650 and also one of my personal favorites
the x5675 now these days these six core 12
threaded overclockable xeons can be had extremely cheap on aliexpress
starting at around 10 bucks you can get the x5650 and then if you're feeling a
little bit more enthusiastic and passionate
about x58 you can get the x 5675 which is a better bin at least from the
testing i've done here and that you'll get better overclocks
for the same voltage versus the x5650 however today
i'm going to be using my rampage 3 extreme now this board is pretty special
to me because i got given it to me for free in a deals
hunt because the person who gave it away thought that it was
broken because the water cooling kit on it had cracked and it had water
that had leaked on the motherboard and then since then i gave this board a bit
of tyl that is a tech yes loving for those
of you who are new here and i put two aftermarket heatsinks on
there in a janky kind of way and this board it checks out it takes my
x5675 all the way to 4.5 GHz and
ultimately that is what used price performance is all about it's
about getting those parts cheap and then making something out of it they
can play games just as good as the new stuff can except
you're saving over half your money however here is the kicker today we're
going to be pairing this x58 motherboard this cpu
with the overclocks and some ddr3 2133 megahertz in triple channel
versus the 1680 v2 in quad channel versus the i9 10 900 k in dual channel
with ddr4 corsair dominator and the ryzen 9 3950x with a
rtx 3090 this is the big grand behemoth of gpu gaming graphics
cards right now which if there's differences between
these cpus it is definitely going to come out with this
configuration so let's get into a good old-fashioned
cpu comparison and see where our little zeons lie in
2020 and that's like liars in like placement
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benchmarks there's something that i like to do
personally and that is to disable spectrum meltdown updates
i found that although there could be some risk your computer could be more at
a risk of being hacked i've personally found that there hasn't
been one documented case of someone an individual being hacked at
their own home and furthermore the performance hit of
spectrum meltdown takes around 10 percent performance away from xeons
like the x5675 and also the 1680 v2 now i've included
the 1680 v2 which is a third generation ivy bridge xeon
for those of you who can't wait for an upcoming video we're going to be
specifically talking about this xeon but with that aside
let's roll through the 1080p benchmarks first where in shadow of the
tomb raider our poor little friend here the x5675 he
did take a bit of a beating moving on to do maternal showed a
similar trend but then moving over to modern warfare showed that the actual
lack of avx instruction sets or more to the point
avx-2 showed that even the 1680v2 was experiencing a little bit of a
bottleneck here versus the ryzen 9 and also the i9
moving over to mechwarrior 5 showed that our x5675 was falling behind a little
bit too here then when it came to fortnite
it was still putting up a respectable battle royale if that was what we would
call it against the other cpus tom clancy's the division two it was a
pretty impressive result and same with the outer worlds it was
doing its job and then moving over to 1440p it's
actually more a similar trend to 1080p where although the gap does
minimize a bit it is still there and it is still
significant in a lot of these titles and then lastly when it comes to 4k this
is where things get pretty interesting because in
some of the titles you'll notice that there's no difference between this
10 year old xeon and the latest and greatest 10900k and
ryzen 9 3950x though this is where the question of what is
the x5675 good for in 2020 comes about
because this cpu if you want to go get it which
a lot of the times the x58 boards you can pick them up very cheap on the used
market i'm finding that they're starting to become less
popular as the years go on and rightfully so as time goes on things get
more obsolete and of course the parts get more at risk
of failing which those two things combined makes them a
lot less desirable however even on places like ebay you can
pick up an x58 board nowadays for quite cheap and coupled with a 10
cpu you can get some really respectable
performance if you also couple it with say
a snowman 20 cpu cooler you can be tasting 4.3 even 4.4 gigahertz
on daily overclocks and getting some really good
price performance for your dollar though the best part with x58 as we said before
is when we get them on these deals hunts where people think that the parts are so
old then they must be worth absolutely nothing altogether
and of course that x58 motherboard being the key element
to getting the most out of this older platform whereas to me personally when i
found that i've overclocked on these older platforms
i've had a lot more success overclocking on the
zeus motherboards versus all the other brands
back in this era if you do want to check out how you can overclock
one of these cpus then i'll put a tutorial right up here
though one more thing to be aware of is that there are these boards out there
that are being manufactured new on the x58 line
even in 2020 however these boards pretty much don't have any support for
overclocking so that's one thing to be mindful of if you want to get the
most performance out of these older cpus then you'll definitely want to get a
good motherboard but generally with x58 you'll want to stick to a zeus
motherboard but if you can't find that evga and gigabyte do make some solid
boards however with the gigabyte models i've found that
sometimes they just have rare issues where the bios just doesn't
work properly no matter what you do and you're just scratching your head as
to why overclocks don't work if you're in that situation don't worry
it's not just you that gigabyte motherboard has probably
just seen too much use and it's acting a little bit finicky
though in terms of msi motherboards you generally would have to go for the
higher end boards because i've tried a few of their entry level x58 boards
and let's just say it hasn't ended well they have either even failed on default
clocks or they just have really weird issues
then the azeroth boards you're probably
thinking what about the asrock boards i've actually had
one of these boards come through and although they are
decent i just find that they're so rare on the used market
that they're not even really worth mentioning back in this era
because there wasn't that many of these boards manufactured to begin
with then of course there are some other brands out there most notably the intel
x58 boards but they dropped support even stopping
the bios downloads completely for their x58 motherboards so i would
try and avoid them if you can anyhow with that out of the
way we've seen the fps differences between our beloved x58 and the latest
and greatest stuff and somewhere in between and that leads
me at the question of well what graphics card should you be
pairing with an x 5675 xeon and well i cross
referenced this with my rtx 3090 review and we've got some pretty solid i guess
consistencies running through these numbers at least
at 1080p for instance if we look at tom clancy's
division 2 we can see that it lines up roughly
around a 2080 super then if we look at the outer worlds
we're sort of looking at around again a 2080 super
then moving on with fortnite we're at those levels of around a 2070 super
then modern warfare 2080 super and then mechwarrior 5 20 70 super
and then do maternal 2080 super and then lastly shadow of the tomb raider
vega 64. so that pretty much averages out in my opinion
with the best card if you're going to overclock an x5675 for example the 4.5
gigahertz and give it some decent memory the best graphics card to match with
that would be the rtx 2070 super or a 1080 ti or of course you can get
any card under that in terms of graphical
performance and you should be having happy days where you're not
missing out on anything because in my opinion when it comes to gaming on
pcs that's the definitely the one thing you
want to do is get the most out of your gpu and make sure your cpu is in a
bottleneck so if you go out and buy a 2080 ti for example
and you're going to play at 1080p then this cpu will be letting you miss out
on a few fps more than you otherwise should be able to obtain
if you had a better cpu though on the flip side of things the cpu and the
motherboard combo can be had for a ridiculously good price
just keep in mind that there are a couple of downsides
to using this architecture the first that we mentioned before
is that there's not even avx instruction sets nor the avx-2 instruction sets
avx was introduced in sandy bridge error that's second generation
and then the avx-2 was introduced in fourth generation
that is haswell and upwards then for the motherboards they generally don't carry
usb 3. there are some models that do carry
usb 3 but they're a bit rarer than the ones that carry usb 2 which is
pretty much all the x58 motherboards then for the sata 3
ports they're actually not true sata 3 so
think of it more of hey you're still going to be ending up
with sata 2 though for most part that's not going to make a difference
when it comes to playing pc games and then of course you're still stuck on
pca gen 2 x 16 but i've done a recent test in this
and even an rtx 3090 can't completely saturate the pca
gen2 bandwidth believe it or not i'll put the link to that video up here
if you wish to look into it more so all these negatives
won't stop you however from playing games unless it's
horizon zero dawn which unfortunately wouldn't load
due to it having no support for that avx instruction set
so this is the one outlier where the games come
out and the developers are just not even going to bother
patching in support for the older cpus and so unfortunately we couldn't run the
benchmarks for the x 5675 with horizon zero dawn
but that aside that one game aside and i think there's
only one other game out there that does this as well they are
certainly not going to stop you in 2020 from getting one of these motherboards
and a 10 cpu and having at least a 144hz gaming
experience they can get up and boogie still in 2020
and they can give you an enjoyable smooth gaming experience
even if you couple it with the likes of an rtx 2070 super or 2080 super
you can have ultra settings 144 hertz gaming
and still have no issues and that's all for today folks
do let us know in the comments section below what you think of
x58 and also those budget xeons in 2020 do you share my same sentiments or
do you think differently love reading your thoughts
and opinions as always and also don't forget to toss us a like
on the way out because we got the question of the day here
which comes from carter demon and they asked would it be good
for video editing in davinci 2. and they're referring to another xeon which
we might be testing in the future as well when after i do a build with it
and that is the e5 2678 v3 this is a haswell 12 core xeon 24
threads that although locked does give a lot of good value for
money too and doesn't really carry those
limitations that the x58 carries even in 2020 but to answer the question
yes it will be very good for da vinci especially in terms of value for money
because you can couple it with ddr3 ecc registered memory
which is very inexpensive and you'll have yourself a 64 gigabyte 12 core 24
thread video editing workstation beast
on a budget and with all that aside i'll catch you in another tech video very
soon peace out for now bye
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