Satsang with Mooji
[Questioner] Hello [Mooji] Hello
[Q.] This seems like maybe a strange question,
this thought came, 'Where did the space come from?'
[M.] Where does space come from? [Q.] Yeah.
[M.] Where can space come from? [Q.] Well, why is it here?
[Mooji] Wow.
The purpose of existence London, 25 April 09
[Mooji] Space cannot come nor go.
But the sense of spaciousness, temporarily, seems to be overshadowed
by this cloud of thinking and identification.
It can give the appearance of a very claustrophobic existence.
It's just a kind of cloud, and it's always passing.
But something else comes up again, and the attention goes to it.
There comes a time when the attention
is not fascinated anymore with the moving clouds. It's not fascinated at all.
It may be for a while fascinated only with itself,
when it discovers that, 'I don't have to be counting clouds
because something is just aware of them endlessly passing.'
[Q.] But where did that something that is aware come from?
[M.] It doesn't come from anywhere. It's also space.
Perhaps you are asking the wrong question. [Q.] That may be.
[M.] 'Where does space come from?' is not going to satisfy you.
[Q.] Where do I come from?
[Mooji] Where do you come from? OK this is a bit better.
When you say, or feel, 'I', what is that 'I' comprised of?
'I' has a lot of opinions about others, but what is 'I'?
[M.] You have to look not just with your head
but look with your feeling, your feeling Self.
[M.] When you say, 'I', what comes up as 'I'?
[M.] Does it have a shape? [Q.] No.
[Mooji] What is it? Help me out a bit. [Q.] It's space.
[Mooji] It is space. Can it have a birth?
[Q.] Maybe [Mooji] In what form? In what way?
How can what is invisible be born?
I'm not forecasting, I have no judgement in this question.
Let's look together, freshly.
[Q.] I guess since I was a child, I had that question in my head.
I guess I created a picture of, somehow, like a little dot,
and then space was created, but before there wasn't even space there.
[M.] Yes. And the absence of space is what?
[M.] If space is not there, what is there? [Q.] Nothing.
[Mooji] So is nothing something more subtle than space?
[Q.] I think so. [Mooji] Yeah, I like that.
[Mooji] Because it is said, of all the elements that are perceivable,
ether, or space, is the most subtle.
And you can perceive space, so you must be subtler than space.
[Q.] That's what I was thinking. [M.] Yes.
What can be more subtle than space? You say, 'Nothingness, nothing.'
[Q.] Did something create the space, though, for a purpose?
[Mooji] I can't answer this one. [Q.] OK.
[Mooji] You got me on that one. [laughter]
Did someone, something create the space for some purpose?
Space is necessary for there to be manifestation.
Without space, no manifestation.
There cannot be movement,
because movement implies some object, some distance covered.
[Q.] But then what was the purpose of creating the manifestation and the space?
[Mooji] What have you found? Show me. [Q.] I don't know, I have nothing.
[Q.] Just many questions. [Mooji] I have some ideas about it.
[Mooji] Because it seems like it must be there
because it is the only way in which, what is,
can have an experience of itself, have a taste of itself.
That, without the body, there cannot be any experience.
It cannot be an experience.
I'm sure the body's there to enable consciousness,
or this space, this intelligence, to taste experiencing.
[Q.] I just feel a tremendous urge to know the purpose of existence itself.
[Mooji] Well I would say that what you're doing at the moment
is a pretty good shot to find out, 'What is it that exists?'
You say you want to know the purpose of existence, OK?
But I'm asking you, What is it that does exist?
How can this question come?
Something must be existing, to ask about existence. [Q.] Yes.
[Mooji] What is it that is asking about existence?
Where did this question come from? [Q.] Yeah.
[Mooji] And what is going to know?
[Q.] I guess I still have to find out. [Mooji] You, being what?
[Q.] The part that wants to find out why I'm wanting to find out.
[M.] Yes, the part that wants to find out.
What is aware that there's a part that wants to find out?
[M.] How much of a part? How much percent? [Q.] Everything.
[M.] Everything wants to find out? This is nice. [Q.] Yeah.
[Q.] My whole being wants to find out.
[Mooji] Yes, this urge is there, 'Want to find out.'
[M.] You want to find out the purpose for existence? [Q.] Yeah.
[Mooji] And if you're told that the purpose for existence
is even so that this question also can be asked.
And maybe that it cannot be solved like this,
in the way that maybe the mind wants.
Maybe an aspect of yourself called 'Mind' wants to know an absolute answer,
where there cannot be an absolute answer.
There's no absolute concepts. You can say, 'I want to know.'
What is to know? What do you know at the moment?
Tell me something that you can be totally sure about,
that you can say, 'I know this.'
[Q.] Nothing.
[Mooji] Because I feel the highest joy of being is to contemplate itself.
[Q.] I guess I want the answer to be that we are all here
for a really good and loving reason.
[M.] Many people have this thought. They end up fighting about it. [laughter]
Ultimately there is something.
In this space, thoughts come, innumerable thoughts come,
but they are not steady, they change.
It may seem that, 'Oh yes I want to know absolutely about this.'
'I want to know absolutely about it.'
But, even if in a moment you might feel, 'I absolutely am pleased about it.'
'I'm absolutely pleased about this absolute discovery.'
It will not be consistent. [Q.] I know.
[M.] You do know it, don't you? It will change.
Because the nature of mind is like this, it's not constant.
It's very relative; a mood will change it.
You'll get the runs and you'll forget about it. [laughter]
So nothing like this is going to be lastingly satisfying.
Just inside this space, there seems to be an infinite potential
for the taste of something-ness
in the infinite expanse of knowing-ness and emptiness.
Pleasure yourself.
But if it creates a kind of restlessness in you ...
[Q.] Yes. [Mooji] Then it's better to drop it.
Because it's not really bringing anything.
You are complete as nothing. There's nothing more than nothing.
[Q.] But then it's hard to live in this world where,
many people tell you, 'You need to be doing something.'
And giving you an absolute reason why you should be.
[M.] Why you should be doing something? [Q.] Yes.
[M.] Am I one of them? [Q.] No.
[M.] So there are a few who won't trouble you about what you should be doing.
Many people are like that
because other people tell them they should be doing something.
And they've not found what they should be doing,
so they go around molesting other people. [laughter]
[Q.] Well they have many very good reasons,
like, 'How will you feed yourself? [M.] Like this. [laughter]
[Q.] It's harder in London when there's no berries on the ground.
[M.] I lived in London for 6 years without any money, in this town.
And I wasn't looking in dustbins, and I had no savings.
And I am not more special than you.
If life is kind enough to give you poverty, you might find this out.
[Q.] Thank you [Mooji] OK, very good.
Space is necessary for there to be manifestation;
that is how what 'Is' can have an experience of itself.
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