people may have heard of ascorbic acid ascorbic acid is vitamin c
citric acid is also found in lemons and limes of things but traditionally it is made in a process
of fermentation if you apply enough citric acid you're it's going to get your soil it's going
to stay in your soil i want to say it's 6 to 12 months it might be it might be longer than that
but eventually because it is it does when it dries it breaks back down into a salt type structure
so it's going to build up in your soil if you use a lot this will say it's a fermented
product centric acid can cause phytotoxicity because uh phytotoxicity if you're not familiar
with that that means that it's toxic to the the photosynthesis capabilities of your of your plants
now the way i look at dr zymes is i don't want to poop on this either
it has its place does it work yes how well does it work does it work consistently that'll be
up for you to find out i've had people tell me that it worked in the beginning then it didn't
is dr zion's pesticide of fungicide product any different than any of the rest on the market well
in this video we're going to get into it you're here with hull crowley and mark bowell on perfect
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so i'd like to go ahead and turn this over to hold first off hold can you please
introduce yourself tell us what company you're with and then also just because like i've already
said hold has won the highest level of integrities i've ever met around the pesticide fungicide arena
which is there's so much information there but it's a very untapped untapped unspoken area so
because of holt and his high level of integrity i've actually started to ask him to come onto
the channel and we're going to begin to break down one pesticide and or fungicide at a time
so that you guys have a full understanding of what you're putting on your plants
and the proper application for these pesticides fungicides so hold please introduce yourself to
the channel sure thank you mark my name is holt crowder i work for a company called organic shield
and organic shield happens to be a pest control or an ipm and it's a epa registered ipm which means
it's a little different than some of the other ones and that we actually had to prove our
results and the epa gave us a registration versus some of the other products that um they may be on
an exemption list with their ingredients very cool i absolutely love that okay so hold thank
you so much again for coming onto the channel now what for the third or fourth time to help
break down these other pesticides of fungicides every time i release another one of these videos
people on the comment section are like oh my god i never knew that all right never thought about
that that's so interesting so let's go ahead and get into now the third pesticide fungicide that we
commonly see in this industry and see what's about so hope please take it off brother sure sure today
we'll talk about uh dr zimes and mark thank you for having me on the channel again i always enjoy
our discussions let's look at the ingredients dr zimes so we've got citric acid and other
ingredients and if you let me see if i can zoom it in a little bit for you okay so right here we have
citric acid 0.05 percent water yeast and potassium sorbate you know so it's 0.05 percent citric acid
first let's talk about citric acid people may have heard of ascorbic acid ascorbic acid is vitamin c
citric acid is also found in lemons and limes of things but traditionally it is made in a process
of fermentation and that's that's basically just how they make it uh but some concerns about citric
acid so well let me go back to a second one thing about dr zombs i'll say that is a little different
than some of the other things we've talked about is there's no oils they do not have oils in this
0.05 citric acid we have some water yeast and potassium sorbate so i'm i'm going to make a
little guess on here that the yeast has to do with the fermentation process as people know
that yeast is used in beer and bread and things of fermentation so i'm sure there's a little bit of
residual yeast left over in the process of the fermentation of making the citric acid for the
ingredient let me hit this thing and talk to you about citric acid for a second now this is from
google citric acid has a ph below four so that means it's very acidic it's also let's just kind
of highlight this here for you is potentially corrosive i mean as we know the optimal plant ph
growth is anywhere from five five to seven five depending on the plant things of that nature
so one of the concerns about citric acid that i've mentioned in the past and i'll bring back up again
is if you apply enough citric acid you're it's going to get your soil it's going to
stay in your soil i want to say it's 6 to 12 months it might be it might be longer than that
but eventually because it is it does when it dries it breaks back down into a salt type structure
so it's going to build up in your soil if you use a lot now if you're just throwing your
soil or substrate away every time maybe that's not important to you
if you have a living soil a lot of guys i know are really big into organic she's living
soil with worms and everything else in there they don't want to upset that that microbiome
and so so basically citric acid becomes a concern so it becomes discerned when you uh do that
um so that's basically what they're using but it is good because of the ph um it is it will
kill fungus uh pretty good like powdery mildew like right here it says lemonade's fungus molds
mildew i have no doubt that it does that to some degree and i think mark and i've talked about this
before but just because you solve one problem are you creating more problems for yourself so let me
hit one more ingredient that's on there the poly the potassium sorbate so potassium sorbate's is
a chemical additive it's basically let's say this is how they produce it predominance is shelf life
of foods by stopping growth of mold and yeast and fungus so they're probably doing that also to to
you know to prevent to keep this in a stable position so it doesn't break down and it also play
works a little bit to inhibit the growth of mold and yeast and things like that so probably they're
using this to counteract the yeast that might be still left in the the situat the final formula and
they're not using a really high dose of citric acid i've seen other products that have 0.22
but still that's just kind of that's basically what they do with it you see the safety data
sheet here absolutely okay so so this this just kind of tells how it's made a fermentation
product made uh protein and citric acid says it contains no hazardous chemicals and and that may
be true depending on what you call hazardous so when it comes to mixing this a couple of things i
found kind of interesting basically here again even though this is not an oil this will say
um it's a fermented product citric acid can cause phytotoxicity because uh phytotoxicity if you're
not familiar with that that means that it's toxic to the the uh photosynthesis capabilities of your
of your plants so that's interesting yeah five photo targets usually when they when they when
they come up with um how much you can put on something at least when we dealt with the epa
when you do your dosing or how strong do you mix your solution before you spray it
there is a you know a phytotoxicity level so above this you don't use it because you can't use this
higher concentration because it will you know burn the plant basically they have the same thing when
they make medications prescriptions and stuff it's like how much of this stuff will kill you
so you know make enough to kill me and then back it off a little bit so to speak they don't really
uh so that's basically what phototoxicity is is it dangerous or is it toxic to your plant and
the phyto just means the photosynthesis part is toxicity so going back to this it says uh uh can
cause phytotoxicity if used in direct sunlight not really sure why i know with the oils because
we've spoken before the oils will refract it and basically intensify like a magnifying glass to
burn the the leaves but uh for some reason i think they're worried about the fighting specificity of
this maybe it has to do with the ph uh going too low or something all right it doesn't want you
to spray in temperatures over 90 degrees there again you know if you've got your grow lights
on you're indoors you got to worry about that so sort of one of the downsides of some of the oils
and things like this if it says don't spray in direct sunlight or don't spray with your lights on
is that limits your time of when you can use it so you know that means oh i've got to be i got to
get up early in the morning or i got to be late at night or i got to turn the lights off as soon as
i get through spraying or something along that so it's not as convenient as some other products that
you don't have to worry about light refraction or light hurting them and to me it's kind of
an interesting thought that you know plants love light they want to grow in the light so why don't
i want to use something that doesn't like the light but that's just that's just my thoughts
no it makes complete sense it's a cognitive dissonance reality so it's just disgusting yeah
um so so then again they say they expressed thanks suggest spring in the evenings for no notified
phytotoxicity now here's something um also interesting i'm gonna jump around for a second
here but it says we suggest using water between 70 and 98 degrees that's kind of a rarity thing
you don't really hear of using you know you need a certain temperature of your water i think it
has to do with the uh the solubility that it helps it mix better or it helps dilute better for some
reason i'm not really sure why but that makes sense to me actually that makes a lot of sense
to me this is the only thing i'm coming up with is something like that those range but then it even
says you need to you know you might want to adjust your ph to six or seven before you add that you
know just to make sure you're not getting too far getting that too acidic in there anyway and then
after you put the lemon area in there basically they if you had really acidic water like you had
low ph water i guess their concern would be that you know as we said citric acid is uh four or less
on the ph scale so they're probably worried about how low or how acidic it's going to get because
then it'll all suffer on it so essentially let's let me see what else i've got here yes let me
hit the sds so i didn't find anything uh toxic or anything and non-flammable in here because it has
very few things in that now the way i look at dr zymes is i don't want to poop on this either
it has its place does it work yes how well does it work does it work consistently that'll that'll
be up for you to find out i've had people tell me that it worked in the beginning and then it didn't
i don't know if they build a tolerance to it but uh as far as safety it's fairly safe
you know it has such a low amount that they didn't have to apparently have to put anything about um
hurting your eyes like the some of the other products i've seen of citric acid saying it'll
burn your eyes but obviously you don't want to spray anything in your eyes anyway but going back
to the label here here's what i found interesting though on here's their on their solutions or
actually they're let me go back to the dosing because i believe they were using a lot and you
had to use layer disks application rates they suggest a half a cup per gallon of warm water a
half a cup is you know that's three or four ounces so that's like four ounces of your concentrate so
at some point you're going to go through it pretty fast a gallon has you know i think 128 ounces
so you're only going to get so many gallons of mix per gallon of this so that's kind of a high
concentration rate i thought that they use a gup one cup uh per gallon of warm water uh to mix it
so you might be using a lot more and something to look for that i kind of notice on these most
products are going to you're going to see use anywhere from a half a half of ounce to or one
percent or two percent or something like that this is a lot higher concentration you're going with
so so to get around that from their cost factor i thought this was kind of creative maybe some
people call it sneaky sneaky or sneaky a little bit but a strong solution is two and two and a
half ounces to 30 ounces of water well 30 ounces of water that's like a quarter gallon or a little
less than quarter of a gallon so that's why a cup a gallon or a half a cup excuse me a half a
cup per gallon is why so you're just going to go through a lot more so you might buy something go
this is a concentrate and i've got a whole gallon of this but if you took a gallon of something else
to treat only using a one percent or a two percent per gallon it's not gonna be as cost effective uh
that's something i kind of looked at because uh dr zhang i don't want to poop on it again it's it's
it's probably it's got some good usage i think it would be better used as a fungicide in my opinion
than as much for bug control and i think maybe they found out it did a little bugs too so they
went ahead made the claim or they could make the claim because again it's a fit for 25b product
and so we so you do not have to uh necessarily validate you know the studies and be signed off
by the epa to be epa registered products so i want people not to get confused between the two
epa for 25b there's a list of things and i can pull that up for you in a second mark if you want
but everything everybody else has the epa registered number so something to always
look for is their epa registered number because that means they're accountable to the epa and
the government and they had to do the field trials and then have those submitted and have
the epa scientists review and validate and say yes you did uh make your claims and they do work
so with dr zimes i'm not going to say it doesn't work but i'm going to say it's it's it's kind of
hit or miss from what i've heard um and you also might have to be concerned about a build up or
having to rinse off your uh the leaves afterwards or something for that nature if you're going to be
worried about phytotoxicity i think they even might have mentioned it somewhere here there
it goes always uh before using yeah yeah because basically there's a saying about the 560 i thought
it had something in here about rinsing it off but maybe it doesn't so that's all i really got
about dr zymes it is probably more if you're if you're going to use it i would say it's probably
more day of harvest safe than your oils um i don't think citric acid goes into the plant because once
it dries it's going to crystallize and you know maybe go in your soil so i wouldn't worry about
it staying on the plant like some of the oils are soaking in the plant like some of the oils
i just don't know how effective it is long term and if it's going to mess up your grow medium
or not you have any questions on that mark hold once again brother that was amazing just being
able to just go through these products once again understand what we're putting on it and
make a more conscious decision because again when you're having a pesticide problem you're
stressed out you don't you don't you just want to go run in there grab something off the shelf
and and and go out there and put it on your plants you don't have time to order a product
that's a higher quality like organic shield if it's not on their shelves so at the end of the day
when you have to pick between the 10 or 15 or 20 different pesticides on there hopefully you might
want to pick a product that is like like we're talking about maybe oils or different reasons all
watch the other three or four pesticide videos in the future once we we talk about withhold so that
we kind of get into the mindset and the why behind what they're doing so that once again you can make
a more conscious decision around what you're putting on your plants and then harvesting that
food and giving it to not just the in consumer but your parents your kids and your loved ones hold um
thank you so much again guys please remember to like share and subscribe have a great girl
let's move on this is any questions here it says the numbers here are these in parentheses
they're not the targets that's not what i'm trying to to get and i formulate this would
to me is the highest i would want to go i would never want to go about 250 parts per million
nitrogen even in veg that's too much you know i'd really more like to see 220 is the most i would do