CHIEF OF STAFF TO PRESIDENT
GEORGE W. BUSH KARL ROVE ALONG
WITH FOX NEWS INTERSTITIAL
ANALYSTS JUDGE ANDREW
NAPOLITANO.
DON'T MISS A MOMENT OF IT.
WE TAKE IT OFF RIGHT HERE WITHIN
HISTORIC DAY IN THE HOLY LAND.
THE U.S. WILL OPEN IT EMBASSIES
AFTER MOVING IT OUT OF TEL AVIV.
CELEBRATIONS UNDERWAY AHEAD OF
THE GRAND OPENING.
BENJAMIN THAT YAHOO! WELCOMING
THE DELEGATION WITH OPEN ARMS.
>> THIS IS A MOMENTOUS TIME.
PRESIDENT TRUMP IS MAKING
HISTORY.
OUR PEOPLE WILL BE ETERNALLY
GRATEFUL FOR THIS DECISION TO
RECOGNIZE JERUSALEM AS ISRAEL'S
CAPITAL.
MARIA: AMBASSADORS FROM TWO
DOZEN COUNTRIES ATTENDING
TODAY'S DEDICATION CEREMONY.
ISRAELI MILITARY BRACING FOR UP
TO 100,000 PROTESTERS RIGHT
ALONG THE GAZA BORDER.
FORMER STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL
AND FOREIGN POLICY IS IT TO
PRESIDENT OBAMA'S TWO DOZEN
EIGHT PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN AND
NOW PARTNER AT THE LAW FIRM GAVE
IT TO FORAY.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
>> EARACHE AND THIS?
>> I'M A BIG SUPPORTER OF ISRAEL
AND ITS IMPORTANT RELATIONSHIP
FOR THE UNITED STATES OF COURSE.
BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY IT DOES
NOTHING TO HELP THE MIDDLE EAST
PEACE PROCESS.
WE HAVEN'T MOVED THE PEACE
PROCESS FORWARD EVEN ONE INCH.
THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF TERMS
DRIVE-BY DIPLOMACY.
BUT THEN HE'S NOT GOING TO
ENGAGE IN THE MOST IMPORTANT
ASPECTS OF THE RELATIONSHIP WITH
ISRAEL WHICH IS HELPING GET
TOWARDS A MIDDLE EAST PEACE
DEAL.
AMERICAN OFFICIALS IN TRUMP'S
RELATIVES IN TOWN IN JERUSALEM
TO CELEBRATE THIS MOVE, BUT
THERE'S NO?
TOWARDS THE NEGOTIATION.
>> WHAT YOU THINK BENJAMIN
NETANYAHU IS CELEBRATING IF IT'S
NOT GOOD FOR ISRAEL?
>> IT'S A GOOD THING.
SOMETHING THAT HARD-LINERS IN
ISRAEL VERY MUCH WANTED TO
HAPPEN.
THERE'S A LOT OF SYMBOLISM TO
THIS, BUT NOT MUCH SUBSTANCE.
IN FACT, THE EMBASSY IS AN EVEN
READY AS YOU KNOW.
SIX YEARS UNTIL WE FINISH THE
EMBASSY.
THE OPENING CEREMONY OF SYMBOLIC
AND HELPS IN NOW WAY, BUT WILL
NOT HELP AT THE MORE IMPORTANT
GOAL OF GETTING THE PEACE
PROCESS GOING.
AS YOU NOTED, THERE ARE NOW
WRITES IN THE PALESTINIAN
TERRITORIES AND GAZA AND WEST
BANK AND PALESTINIANS DELIVER
THINK IT'S GOOD VISUAL ARBITER.
>> MARIA, WHY CAN IT BE JUST
PRACTICAL?
ISRAEL'S PARLIAMENT IS IN
JERUSALEM.
MOST OF ITS GOVERNMENT IS IN
JERUSALEM.
THIS IS SOMETHING THE U.S.
CONGRESS VOTED FOR IN THE LAST
CENTURY.
IN TERMS OF PEACE IN THE MIDDLE
EAST, THE LAST THREE PRESIDENTS
BEFORE PRESIDENT TRUMP FAILED TO
NEGOTIATE A DEAL, THE LAST TALKS
COLLAPSED IN 2014.
SO PEOPLE MIGHT ARGUE WITH
MOVING THE EMBASSY TO JERUSALEM.
WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IN THE
PAST HASN'T BEEN WORKING.
>> THE LAST THREE PRESIDENTS
ACTUALLY MADE A LOT MORE
PROGRESS THAN PRESIDENT TRUMP.
PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS MADE ZERO
PROGRESS AT ALL.
>> THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE
HEARD THE SAUDI'S TALKING ABOUT
ISRAEL.
>> THE STUDIES WEREN'T HAPPY
ABOUT MOVING THE EMBASSY.
>> THE BROADER PEACE PROCESS.
THERE IS NO DOUBT ISRAEL IS
INCLUDING BENJAMIN THAT YAHOO!
ARE HAPPY THEY ARE MOVING TO
JERUSALEM.
NO DOUBT SEVERAL PRESIDENTS
BEFORE PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS
ACKNOWLEDGED THE CAPITAL OF
ISRAEL IS JERUSALEM.
>> SEVERAL PRESIDENTS BEFORE
PRESIDENT TRUMP MADE THE PROMISE
IN THEIR CAMPAIGNS THAT THEY
WOULD MOVE THE EMBASSY AS WELL.
ONCE THEY BECAME PRESIDENT THEY
AGREED ON ALL THE IMPACT OF THE
POLICY IMPACT.
THEY DIDN'T MOVE IT.
I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULDN'T DO
THAT AT SOME POINT, BUT THIS IS
A HUGE THING TO GET ISRAEL AND
WE DIDN'T GET ANYTHING IN IT
RETURN.
WE COULD'VE GOTTEN THE THE PEACE
PROCESS NEGOTIATIONS STARTED.
YOUR GUESS AS THIS HAS A
PRACTICAL IMPACT, BUT IT DOESN'T
HAVE A PRACTICAL IMPACT.
THE EMBASSY ACTUALLY IS AN EVEN
READY.
SO PRACTICALLY IS A PROBLEM FOR
US TO MOVE OUR EMBASSY BEFORE WE
HAVE AN EMBASSY THAT CAN HOLD
850 EMBASSY STAFF WOULD HAVE
BEEN ISRAEL.
MUST HAVE THE SAME TEL AVIV
ANYWAY, WHICH BY THE WAY IS FOR
EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD
THAT HAS A DIPLOMATIC
RELATIONSHIP WITH ISRAEL HAVE
THEIR EMBASSY.
>> YOU SAID THERE'S THREE
PRESIDENTS BEFORE THE POLICY
BRIEFINGS THAT WAS A BAD IDEA.
WHAT WAS CONTAINED IN THE
BRIEFINGS THAT WOULD MAKE IT A
BAD IDEA?
>> I NOTED FIRST OF ALL IT'S
GOING TO UPSET THE LEADERS OF
THE PALESTINIANS IN THE WEST
BANK AND IN GAZA THAT THEY
CONSIDER THIS SOMETHING HE DID
NOT WANT TO HAPPEN.
FOR US TO DO IT, WE SHOULD'VE
GOTTEN ISRAEL TO MAKE SOME SORT
OF COMPROMISE IS PART OF A
LARGER DEAL.
WE GAVE THIS UP FOR NOTHING.
WE GOT NOTHING IN RETURN.
MARIA: ARE YOU ARGUING THAT THE
CAPITAL OF ISRAEL IS NOT IN
JERUSALEM?
>> I'M NOT ARGUING WHERE THE
CAPITAL OF ISRAEL IS.
ISRAEL HAS A STRONG CLAIM THAT
IT IS JERUSALEM AND AS YOU
NOTED, ISRAEL HAS MOVED ITS
PARLIAMENT TO JERUSALEM AND IT
OPERATES OUT OF JERUSALEM AS
THOUGH IT'S A CAPITAL IN
JERUSALEM WILL CERTAINLY BE PART
OF --
MARIA: SO WHAT'S THE PROBLEM?
>> THE PROBLEM IS THIS IS VERY
CONTROVERSIAL IN THE MIDDLE EAST
HAD FOR US TO HAVE DONE THIS
SYMBOLICALLY WITHOUT GETTING
ANYTHING ELSE IN RETURN, WE ARE
UPSETTING ALL THE PARTIES THAT
NEED TO COME ON BOARD.
MOREOVER AS I NOTED COME IN THE
IS AN EVEN READY YET.
WHY ARE WE SAYING WE ARE MOVING
THE EMBASSY WHEN WE CANCELED OUR
DIPLOMATS INTO THE EMBASSY DOWN.
IT'S ALL SYMBOLISM, NO
SUBSTANCE.
DAGEN: IT DOESN'T MATTER THE
TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN
CLEAR.
I KNOW PALESTINIANS WANT THEIR
OWN CAPITAL FUTURES DATA AS EAST
JERUSALEM, BUT THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN QUITE
CLEAR THAT THE FINAL BOUNDARIES
OF JERUSALEM WOULD BE LEFT UP TO
FINAL STATUS NEGOTIATIONS.
THIS DOESN'T DICTATE THAT TO THE
ISRAELIS OR THE PALESTINIANS.
>> EXACTLY.
BUT THIS DOESN'T DO ANYTHING TO
MOVE THE PEACE PROCESS FORWARD.
WHY DID THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION
WHICH SAID DURING THE CAMPAIGN
IT WOULD BE VERY EASY TO SOLVE
THE PEACE PROCESS BETWEEN THE
PALESTINIANS AND ISRAEL.
WHY HASN'T MADE ANY PROGRESS?