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- Hi folks. I'm Bob Schrupp, physical therapist,
- Brad Heineck, physical therapist.
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- In our opinion of course, Bob.
- Quite serious about it by the way.
- Oh yeah.
- Okay we're gonna talk about optimal
sitting position while driving.
This is really key because a lot of people
spend a lot of hours in the car.
- Sure.
- And I'll tell you that can absolutely lead
to back pain and neck pain if you're not positioned right.
- Right, I think you and I both have,
have seen professional truck drivers,
across the road with back pain.
- And bus drivers too.
- Sure. And these people are not doing a lot
of bending and lifting oftentimes.
- No.
- But they're having back problems
and it very likely is from their sitting posture.
- Sitting is actually generally worse on your back
than lifting, I mean, I think we're finding that, you know,
back pain has become a sitting problem.
- Right. - More than a lifting problem.
- But this, you know, the lumbar support
is a big part of the key for,
for answering this I believe.
So, Bob.
- There's a lot of variations by the way, too.
- Right. And we're gonna get into that.
We, we're gonna cover this in detail.
As matter of fact, I think we could write a thesis on this.
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- Yeah we do.
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Okay. So lumbar support in the car,
the manufacturers of cars are getting better all the time
and have factory built in lumbar supports.
And I've had patients when I talked
to 'em about their back pain.
I said, you know, do you use the lumbar support in your car?
And they say no. And I said, do you have one?
You know, it's built into the machine already.
And some people are, aren't even aware.
- They were unaware.
- Right. So I'll go out to the car and show 'em
and sure enough they've got a nice either,
they're electric ones or you push a button.
- Or they got the roll.
- Yep. Or the mechanical roll
and it will push into that lumbar area.
And it puts a big smile on their face.
- But it's gotta hit you in the right spot.
- Right.
- So sometimes they may not.
And that, and that way you may have to
come up with your own. - Right.
- And actually sometimes the factory
ones don't come out far enough.
So you need to use that in addition to
- A supplement.
- Right. A good, good term Bob.
- I thought so.
- So if you look up lumbar support on the internet
or you go to the store, you're gonna find,
- What an array.
- Yeah. We've, we've got six factory or, you know
a manufactured lumbar supports of all different
shapes and sizes.
And it's like, well, which one am I supposed to use?
Well, we are going to show you a system
to guide you to the proper lumbar support.
- Guide you to the promise land.
- Right. So in general, if you have a diagnosis
or you may not have a diagnosis
but if you've been to the doctor and they say
you've got stenosis, spondylolisthesis or in general
if sitting down makes your back pain feel better
if you've been standing and it hurts.
Then you're probably gonna want to go to
a more broad based lumbar support.
- Right. - Like this.
If you find that walking feels better
and if you stretch backwards or you lay on your stomach
and you do the press-ups, which I'm not gonna get into here,
most people are probably gonna go
with one of these more circular
or more specific lumbar supports.
So the majority - More narrow base too
- Right, right. - I mean, yeah.
- It'd be around the belt line.
So I would say more people will be doing this,
older people maybe in their sixties above,
may want the broad one more. - Sure.
- These are general statements.
Now, how do you figure it out?
Well, you could take a throw pillow at home,
a smaller throw pillow from the couch, or
if you could take a towel and you fold it up.
So it's broad like this, Bob, why don't you have a seat?
- You might need like a beach towel almost even would work.
- Yeah. It depends on on the size of your body
and the, and the chair. Can you see that?
So you're gonna take this towel.
This is gonna be a broad lumbar support. Let's put it.
Can you lean forward a little bit more Bob.
- Yeah, sure.
- We're gonna tuck it down in there,
go ahead and lean into that.
And you're gonna go in your car
and you're gonna sit like this
and you're not gonna sit for more than two minutes.
I mean, you're gonna do more than two minutes
go for a drive, half hour drive.
- Right.
- See how it feels.
- Use it in your work environment.
- Right.
- I mean, I mean like your work day.
- Right
- Drive to, drive to your work.
- And if that broad lumbar support feels,
clearly feels good.
And that's the thing about lumbar supports
they'll feel good right away.
And over time, over the period of half hour, to an hour.
Now, if you put that in there and you're not so sure
well then take a towel roll like this.
So you're gonna roll it up round.
You can, we got tape on here. You can use rubber bands.
And you're typically gonna put that right
at about the belt line.
And that's where I like it, even maybe a little bit lower.
- Yep.
- And I, I like the point pressure
like this provides me right now.
- Right? So, and Bob and I are completely opposite
as far as well, not just in personality,
but our backs, Bob likes a, around a roll.
I like the broad one. - A flat roll.
- Right. - A flat narrow role.
- So, and it's clear I'm I do better efflection.
I got spondylolisthesis if anybody out there,
which about 10% of the population has that, five to 10.
So if this feels better then you're gonna probably
look at one of these lumbar supports
that are more round in shape.
And again, this one's kind of in betweener.
- And to add to our theory here
we also believe that a lot of times
if you're in the throes of a disc problem.
- Sure.
- A lot of times I, I see people that want
a bigger lumbar support at that time.
- Right.
- Eventually they tend to go with the less
but they're the ones that might have something this large.
- Right.
- Which to me is really large.
- Yeah.
- I mean, they really are trying to get in,
into extension to, to for that disc problem or sciatica.
- Right. So, so and the other thing is
the factory ones they'll, they'll say their density.
They'll say this one's high density or it's more firm.
And some are like, this one here is a low density.
It's more cushy.
- Yeah, the problem with these is, you know,
until you buy 'em you don't know
if it's gonna work for you.
Like this is an inflatable one,
again, a little, little flatter and, and not as wide.
- Right.
- But, but for some people, this works out really well.
- Sure.
- You can adjust the, - Precisely.
- How much is in the air, in, in the air.
- Now, if you found that this feels comfortable for you,
you want that broad one and you wanna get something better
than a towel because these typically are better.
These are two. These are the two I use.
I like both. This one's actually memory foam.
And I really like it.
But in the summertime, it's a little warm.
- Right.
- And if you live in the north, when it gets below zero,
- It gets really hard.
- It gets pretty firm until the car warms up.
But it's okay after about 15 minutes in the car.
But with this,
- What's that one called Brad?
- This is called the gold lumbar support.
- Yeah.
- Which is a nice one. It's got a nice heavy frame.
I've used another one, that's almost,
it looks identical to this in a picture.
It will look identical, but the steel frame is weak.
- Sure.
- And you sit in it and it, it kind of
it just hasn't hold up very well.
This is built much stronger.
And you know, I use it in the car.
Now, Bob doesn't like this at all in the car.
I do, works great for me.
It's not so hot in the summertime,
which right now we're in the midst of summer
in Minnesota here and Wisconsin.
- Yeah. You know how you get back that's all sweaty.
- Yep.
- You start using, especially on longer trips.
- I'm feeling better already, Bob.
- I do like this one for a office chair.
- Sure.
- I know we're not talking about office chairs today
but because with an office chair you've gotta get
forward a little bit, I mean, you're work.
You can't lay back while you're working at an office chair.
- Right. - You're gonna be forward.
- Yep. - So that gives you
the support that you need - Sure.
- This by the way also has some, what would you call those,
little hardened beads almost, on there.
- Yeah. Little nobby things to give a little,
little more airflow and plus he gets
a little massage kind of in your
- Yeah, texture. - Yep.
- And this is inexpensive. - Right.
I've found it less than $10 on the internet.
- And that's shocking to me.
- Right. It is.
- That's a real nice thing to try and get.
It's got good reviews.
- It does, you know, we'll, we'll give that a thumbs up.
- Yeah. We'll put it down on our supply,
in our prefer,
- Prefer products.
Right, we'll get, we'll get the words out sooner or later.
(laughing)
The memory foam one again, I like it.
And I go between the two in hot summer
in about a month or so I'll go back to this one.
- Sure.
- And this one it'll feel big at first but the memory foam,
the foam starts to collapse and you sink right into it.
And then you're happy. I am.
Bob, Bob would, - If Brad's happy. I'm happy.
- There you go.
So Bob, you wanna, yeah, actually you can't see this
I guess by black shirt probably
- Oh sure. I can. I can demonstrate it.
So you can see how it fits, fits right in there.
So again, I like this in, I, I would use this
in the office chair without a doubt.
- Sure, you bet. - All day long.
- Why don't you stay right there, Bob,
and we'll show, now we like McKenzie lumbar supports
for these, for the round ones, because that's what,
you know, McKenzie has really,
- Well, he's the one that invented it.
- Right. And, and he he's invented a whole system
on how to treat back problems specifically
with herniated discs.
- And they're high quality.
- Yeah. They are.
- They they've done a good job in making these.
- Yeah. It's probably gonna go lower than this.
- Yeah. - It's gonna tuck down in here
like around the belt line. - Yeah.
- We don't have to go through all three
but you can see there's different diameters that,
that we have here in different shapes.
So you really, unfortunately I can't pick one out.
Say, this is for you. You have to try 'em.
- Yeah. That's the, the problem.
But you can certainly start with your own towel.
- Right.
- You know, the towel system
and see how that works for you.
- Sure. So, Bob, I think we covered this ad nauseam.
- Yeah. We have.
- People are really well aware of lumbar support
and how to at least get a start
on what to pick for your car.
- And remember, we can fix just about anything
except a broken heart.
- There you go.
But we're working on it.
- We'll never stop working on that one, Bob.
- Wow. All right. Thanks.