I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY.
HOPEFULLY, MY GUEST WILL HAVE AN IDEA.
PLEASE WELCOME BILL O'REILLY.
(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE) BILL, THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
BILL, THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
>> SURE.
>> Stephen: WE BOOKED YOU OVER A MONTH AGO.
I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE BUSY OVER AT THE REAL NEWS, SO I APPRECIATE
YOU STILL BEING HERE TONIGHT.
YOU PAY ATTENTION TO EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS AFTER A BIG NEWS
STORY HAPPENS, ESPECIALLY AFTER A NATIONAL TRAGEDY LIKE THIS
ONE.
WHAT HAVE YOU HEARD OUT THERE IN THE FIRST 24 TO 36 HOURS THAT
SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD RESPONSE TO YOU?
IF IT WAS PRESIDENT O'REILLY, WHAT WOULD YOU BE LISTENING TO
AND WHAT WOULD YOU DO?
>> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, IT WASN'T A TRAGEDY LIKE ONE OF OUR
CONTRIBUTORS SAID LIKE AN AM TRACK TRAIN DERAILING.
THIS IS A BASIC WAR WE'RE IN.
I LOOK AT THE NEWS FROM AN HISTORICAL POINT OF VIEW, NOT
ONLY A CONTEMPORARY POINT OF VIEW.
I THINK AT TIMES LIKE THESE, AMERICANS, AFTER THE APPROPRIATE
OUTPOURING OF GRIEF WHICH WE'VE HAD, AND THEN THE APPROPRIATE
CARE FOR THE FAMILIES INVOLVED, WHICH THEY'RE RAISING MILLIONS
OF DOLLARS NOW.
ACTUALLY, THERE WAS A LINE TO GIVE BLOOD EIGHT HOURS LONG IN
ORLANDO TODAY, AND ALL OF THAT IS APPROPRIATE.
THEN YOU HAVE TO BASICALLY STEP BACK AND SAY, ALL RIGHT, HOW DO
WE SOLVE THIS PROBLEM BECAUSE IT'S AN ONGOING PROBLEM.
IT'S A WAR.
THESE PEOPLE, THE ISLAMIC JIHADISTS HAVE DECLARED WAR IN
THE WEST, IN THE UNITED STATES.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE DONE.
NOW, THEY DON'T REPRESENT MOST TO HAVE THE MUSLIM WORLD, BUT
THERE IS ENOUGH OF THEM TO CAUSE THE WORLD PAIN ON A CONSISTENT
BASIS.
SO THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
>> Stephen: WELL, YOU HAVE FRAMED THE PROBLEM IN THAT WAY.
>> RIGHT.
>> Stephen: BUT IT CAN BE LOOKED AT IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
YOU CAN ALSO SAY THE PROBLEM IS EASY ACCESS TO HIGH CAPACITY,
RAPID-FIRING WEAPONRY.
THAT'S ANOTHER WAY.
(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE) AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO -- AS THE
PRESIDENT SAID IN HIS ADDRESS, THEY DO NOT HAVE TO BE
EITHER/OR, THEY CAN BOTH BE PROBLEMS.
IF YOU ACCEPT THOSE CAN BOTH BE PART OF THE PROBLEM HERE IN.
>> I DON'T THINK THE PROBLEM IS DEFINED NEARLY AT THE JIHADIST
LEVEL BY THE AMERICAN GUN EXPERIENCE.
I DON'T.
>> Stephen: TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE KILLED WITH GUNS.
>> RIGHT.
>> Stephen: AND HAVING NOTHING TO DO WITH JIHADIS OR ISLAMIC
EXTREMISTS.
THERE HAVE BEEN MASS MURDERS WHO HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH RADICAL
IDEOLOGY.
THIS IS SOMEONE WITH RADICAL IDEOLOGY AND IS MOTIVATED
PERHAPS BY A SCHIZOPHRENIC INTEREST IN BELIEVING HE'S PART
OF SOMETHING BIGGER, PERHAPS BY RESPONDING TO A CALL FROM
I.S.I.S. TO KILL PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES, BUT THEN HE HAD
THE ACCESS TO THE WEAPON TO DO THE DEED.
SO IT'S GOT TO BOTH BE PART OF THE PROBLEM, DON'T YOU THINK?
>> BUT YOU HAVE TO STEP BACK AND LOOK AT SOLUTIONS TO PROBLEMS
RATHER THAN LAMENTING PROBLEMS THAT CANNOT BE SOLVED.
>> Stephen: BUT IF YOU DON'T AGREE WHAT THE PROBLEM, IS YOU
CAN NEVER AGREE ON A SOLUTION.
>> OKAY, BUT -- (CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)
-- IT'S MY JOB AS A NEWS ANALYST TO FIND A SOLUTION TO THE
PROBLEM, AND THE SOLUTION IS NOT SOME KIND OF FEDERAL GUN CONTROL
AT A LEVEL OF TAKING GUNS AWAY.
>AWAY (AUDIENCE REACTS)
>> Stephen: LISTEN SO WHAT HE HAS TO SAY, PLEASE.
>> CHICAGO HAS THE TOUGHEST GUN LAWS IN THE COUNTRY.
CHICAGO HAS THE HIGHEST MURDER RATE IN THE COUNTRY.
WHY?
BECAUSE YOU CANNOT PATROL 24-7 CRIMINALS AND TERRORISTS WHO
HAVE ACCESS TO GUNS.
>> Stephen: AND THEY COME FROM MOSTLY OUTSIDE OF CHICAGO.
>> THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF GUNS ON THE STREETS
OF AMERICA RIGHT NOW, LEGAL GUNS, AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO
CHANGE BECAUSE WE HAVE THE SECOND AMENDMENT PROTECTIONS AND
OUR HISTORY IS ONE OF THAT WE USE WEAPONS NOT ONLY TO GET OUR
FREEDOM FROM GREAT BRITAIN BUT TO FORGE THE WEST WHERE THERE
WASN'T ANY CONTROL OF THE LAW.
NOW, AUSTRALIA IS THE BEST EXAMPLE.
AUSTRALIA HAD, 20 YEARS AGO -- I THINK IT WAS THIS WEEK -- AN
HORRIFIC, ALMOST LIKE ORLANDO, I THINK IT WAS 35 PEOPLE IN
TASMANIA KILLED WITH AN AUTOMATIC WEAPON AND THEY BANNED
ALL AUTOMATIC WEAPONS AND MOST HANDGUNS.
(APPLAUSE) >> Stephen: THEY REDUCED THE
NUMBER OF WEAPONS IN THE COUNTRY BY ABOUT HALF.
>> MORE THAN THAT.
IF YOU CARRY A CONCEALED WEAPON OR PISTOL IN AUSTRALIA, 14 YEARS
IN PRISON.
(APPLAUSE) O WE CAN LEARN FROM INDUSTRIAL.
I CAN'T THE GUN MURDER RATE IN 20 YEARS HAS FALLEN 72% IN
AUSTRALIA.
IN THE UNITED STATES, ROUGHLY OVER THE SAME PERIOD OF TIME,
THE MURDER RATE WITH GUNS HAS FALLEN 30% AND THE SHOOTINGS
HAVE FALLEN 60%.
NOBODY KNOWS THAT.
OKAY, OUR GUN PROBLEM IS GOING DOWN HERE, NOT UP.
WHY?
NOW, THIS IS THE KEY TO SOLVING THE GUN PROBLEM -- WHY IS THAT
THERE HAVE BEEN MANDATORY FEDERAL SENTENCES HANDED OUT TO
VIOLENT OFFENDERS INCLUDING DRUG GANGSTERS.
THOSE MANDATORY SENTENCES ARE NOW UNDER FIRE FROM THE LEFT.
THEY DON'T LIKE THEM.
OKAY.
BUT THEY TOOK OFF THE STREETS MOST OF THE REAL BIG-TIME BAD
CRIMINALS AND PUT THEM AWAY.
SO MY SOLUTION TO THE GUN PROBLEM IS THIS -- NUMBER ONE,
CONGRESS DEBATES WHICH GUNS ARE ALLOWED.
YOU CAN'T HAVE A BAZOOKA.
YOU CAN'T HAVE HAND GRENADES.
YOU CAN'T.
SO IT'S PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE FOR CONGRESS TO SAY WHAT KIND OF
RIFLES SHOULD PEOPLE BE ABLE TO BUY.
>> Stephen: SO PRESIDENT O'REILLY WOULD BE OPEN TO THE
IDEA THAT AK-47s OR AR15s SHOULD BE LIMITED.
>> YOU CAN BRIT OUT AND SAY THESE WEAPONS SHOULD NOT BE SOLD
IN THE UNITED STATES, NO MATTER WHAT THE STATES SAY BECAUSE
FEDERAL LAW TAKES PRECEDENT, AND DEBATE IT.
IN 1976 THEY STOPPED MANY OF THE HIGH-TECH RIFLES.
THEY BANNED THEM AND THAT LAPSED.
WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT.
>> Stephen: LET'S GET TO RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM.
>> I WANT TO ADDRESS GUNS BECAUSE YOUR SCREW APPLAUDING
STUFF THEY SHOULDN'T BE APPLAUDING.
WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS EVERY SINGLE CRIME COMMITTED IN THIS
COUNTRY WITH A GUN WHETHER ORLANDO TERRORISM OR CHICAGO IN
THE INNER CITY DRUG GANGS, EVERY CRIME IS THEN A FEDERAL CRIME.
NO MORE LOCAL OR STATE, IT'S A FEDERAL CRIME.
>> Stephen: DON'T YOU THINK THERE WILL BE OUTCRY FROM PEOPLE
WHO BELIEVE IN STATES RIGHTS.
>> OUTCRY DOESN'T CONCERN ME.
>> Stephen: OUTCRY OVER THE SECOND AMENDMENT DOES CONCERN
YOU.
>> I DON'T CARE.
>> Stephen: YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT?
>> I DO, BUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT DOESN'T GIVE ANYBODY
THE RIGHT TO COMMIT A CRIME WITH A GUN.
>> Stephen: I UNDERSTAND THAT.
O EVERY GUN CRIME, INCLUDING SELLING ILLEGAL GUNS, IS A
FEDERAL CRIME WITH MANDATORIES.
SO IF YOU ROB A SEVEN-ELEVEN WITH A GUN, NOT ONLY ARE YOU
CONVICTED OF THE ROBBERY OF THE SEVEN-ELEVEN WHICH IS A LOCAL
BEEF, BUT YOU GET TEN YEARS IN THE FEDERAL PENITENTIARY ON TOP
OF THAT.
THAT TAKES AWAY -- >> Stephen: MANDATORY
SENTENCING.
YOU BELIEVE THAT SOME LIMITING OF ACCESS TO HIGH-CAPACITY AND
SEMI-AUTOMATIC WEAPONRY IS A REASONABLE THING FOR CONGRESS
TO -- >> RIGHT, CONGRESS PASSES THAT
LAW AND FEDERALIZES THE GUN CRIME.
>> Stephen: LET'S GET BACK TO THE SPES PHIS THETY OF THE
OLDER -- SPECIFICITY OF THE ORLANDO ATTACK.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE PROPER RESPONSE IS TO STOP SOMETHING
LIKE THIS WHICH DOES NOT FALL UNDER THE CATEGORY OF THE KIND
OF CRIMES YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.
>> IT'S IMPORTANT.
YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE YOUR TIMOTHY McVEIGHS, YOUR BOSTON
MASSACRE BOLESSINGS AND SAN BERNARDINO KILLERS.
IT'S THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY FROM JACK THE RIPPER TO --
>> Stephen: THIS PERSON WHO HAD BEEN INTERVIEWED TWICE BY
THE F.B.I. AND THE F.B.I. HAS SOMETHING TO ANSWER FOR FOR
THAT.
IF THIS PERSON INTERVIEWED TWICE BY THE F.B.I. COULD STILL GET
ACCESS TO AUTOMATIC WOMEN'S.
>> BECAUSE HE HADN'T BROKEN A LAW.
>> Stephen: HE WASN'T ON A NO-FLY LIST.
>> BECAUSE THE PRIVATE AIRLINES, THEY ARE TWUNS KEEPING HIM OFF
THE FLIGHT.
>> Stephen: THERE IS A FEDERAL NO FLY LIST.
PEOPLE CAN TAKE PEOPLE OFF THE PLANE UNDER THEIR OWN VOLITION
THEY CAN'T BUT THE FEDS CREATE THE NO FLY LIST.
>> IF I'M THE PRESIDENT OF JETBLUE AND I SAY TO THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT I'M GOING TO LET ANYONE ON THIS PLANE, THEY CAN'T
DO ANYTHING TO ME.
>> Stephen: HAS ANY AIRLINE DONE THAT?
>> NO.
>> Stephen: WHY WOULD YOU ARGUE IT?
>> YOU CAN'T IMPOSE ON THE F.B.I. -- AND I DON'T THINK YOU
CAN BLAME THEM EITHER, THE BUREAU DOES A VERY, VERY GOOD
JOB -- YOU CAN'T SAY, LOOK, THIS TERRORIST, OMAR, ALL RIGHT, YOU
HAD HIM, YOU KNEW MATEEN WAS A BAD GUY, BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE
HIM IN THE COMMISSION OF A CRIME.
SO WHAT CAN YOU DO?
YOU CAN'T JUST DETAIN HIM, UNLESS CONGRESS DECLARES WAR
AGAINST THE ISLAMIC JIHAD, WHICH I SAY ON MY PROGRAM SHOULD
HAPPEN.
>> Stephen: I WANT TO TALK MOOSHT THAT IN JUST A MOMENT.
ACK WITH MORE BIL BILL O'REILLY.