Hit the guy!
This is a control. This is a strong control.
If these submissions fail, there's nothing wrong with holding the guy's head
and hitting him.
and this is what he starts doing, actually in this fight, as these submissions are not working.
Welcome back everyone!
To another episode of Scenic Fights' Fight Scene Breakdown
I'm Chad Vázquez with my good buddy Logan Lo.
And today, we're gonna break down the jujitsu application in Donnie Yen's movie, Special ID
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[Chad] Alright dodge the kick there. So first part is a lot of striking.
[Logan] Big looping motions again.
[Chad] Yup now a superman punch. That's pretty cool. Okay, he charges in.
[Chad] Alright so a double leg. He's pulling him.
[Chad] Though the fight will get back up.
[Chad] That's a good concept there. Kicking at the face.
[Chad] Okay, they're back to the feet.
[Chad] Okay, a lot of wild striking.
[Logan] Pushing the elbow.
[Chad] Alright, tries to go for an Uchimata. Oh excuse me, I mean a Harai Goshi.
[Chad] Alright, drives him into the car.
[Logan] He's just grabbing at anything.
[Chad] Yeah, alright, wild punches.
[Chad] Very nice kick there.
[Logan] You should do more of those.
*Laughs
[Chad] Alright nice catch.
[Chad] That was pretty cool.
[Chad] Okay and so now they're starting to go into the grappling portion of the fight.
[Chad] Alright nice flying knee.
[Chad] Alright so it really goes to the ground with the fireman's carry
[Chad] and we covered that in the: John Wick Fight Scene Breakdown Episode
so look back into that one if you want more details on that move.
[Chad] Alright so there's bit of a scramble here.
[Chad] Alright, and then yeah, right into turtle.
[Chad] Alright so, Andy On's failure, he was bringing his arm to the neck too much. That's why he got rolled over.
[Chad] but still there are wrestling scrambles.
[Chad] The position I want to touch upon is Turtle.
Logan is going to be on his knees. He's going to be holding on to my waist.
This is the scenario here, where Donnie Yen was like so.
Donnie Yen was trying to use his limps to try and make sure that he wasn't going to get pulled down.
Or possibly get his back taken.
And Donnie Yen, made a reversal by spinning around.
Eventually what happen was, his rotation broke Andy On's grip.
And he got him right into turtle, right here.
I touched on turtle briefly in my episode on Redeemer (2014).
But to go into a little more detail, about turtle, it's a quick defensive position in order to either
Re-attack or escape.
Let's say my partner is flat on his back.
And as I'm trying to pin him or maybe punch him.
My partner wants to get out
so what will happen is
Logan, will actually maybe, push my shoulder here and start turning away.
But unfortunately, he feels that I'm right on him
so he'll cover up and bring his knees in
to protect himself from any punches or possible submission or choke threats.
In this wrestling scramble, between and scramble between Donnie Yen and Andy On.
Andy On made a mistake and so
I'll go over just one issue you shouldn't do when you are attacking someone and their in turtle.
If I'm controlling the waist.
You shouldn't do this.
And what happened was, Andy brought his arm over like so
and what happened, Andy leaned over too much.
and got rolled over.
This is bad in general, because let's say besides the getting rolled over part.
My partner if trained, can control the wrist
and as he starts circling out to his right hand side
pop his head out
and now I'm exposing my back .
Right.
What happened to Andy was he went over — Donnie did actually grab the arm.
And then when he rolled over his back, Andy got rolled over.
And this leads to our segue to the next fight breakdown.
[Chad] Alright, so we're now in a jitsu position
[Chad] where Donnie Yen is moving from side control to mount.
[Chad] Which is great for punching. It's an excellent punching position.
[Logan] Ouch! [Chad] Yup!
[Chad] Now his opponent Andy, he starts rolling away trying to get out.
[Chad] And that's why turtle happens a lot, because people are trying to roll and roll away and get out.
There was a reversal from turtle.
And now Donnie Yen is pinning Andy.
He made a transition to Side Control to Mount.
If you're not trained in grappling. You probably don't understand the value of those controls
and what they give you.
Just to go over what happened in the fight here.
Donnie Yen now rolled him over and had top position.
His opponent, Andy On, is now blocking like so.
And so what Donnie Yen just did was he just brought his leg over on top
and proceeded to attack.
Right.
Let's go over the reality though on that transition
because I would say certain things were done wrong in my opinion.
His opponent is pushing him; is blocking him.
It's not that easy to step over.
If you do and you don't address these arms, your leg for example can get entangled with your partner's legs
For example
If I just try to step over, Logan, as I come by, he can just trap my leg here.
Especially since I'm getting pushed into his legs.
Now if he's well trained
He'll know how to use his legs to
get out, stand up or attack me
Okay what's the correct way about going about this?
Well
If we're here, what I might suggest is going to a different type of pin.
A reverse scarf.
Just to make sure there is no confusion.
Key details:
Okay. Any pushing threat now.
I'm better dealing with my whole body.
Furthermore, now I can easily clear the legs.
The reality is yes, his feet will be up like this so
There's a couple ways here
A) Pull the knees down.
See that opening?
I time it as I bring my foot up. Might move my hand and I catch
and now I can go to mount to punch.
Another one
If I'm having a hard time doing that maybe because his legs are up like so.
B) I can grab my own foot and now bring it across
I'll do it again with my partner's leg straight
Again watch, imagine if my legs were here.
I grab my foot
strike.
C) And one more other cool one
If I am, by chance, do get pushed down by a big strong guy while I try to do this.
So let's say if I get lowered this much, you see there are no space here.
What you can do
Is hook this leg here.
so during the battle, I can grab the foot
Hook it
Stretch
Now
And now, right into mount.
That's a better way of moving from a side control
a side pin
to a mount pin
While not exposing yourself, not losing control, and allowing you to progress.
[Chad] Now he's going to a front headlock
[Chad] And it's a bit of a scramble
[Chad] Alright now he just changes position
[Chad] to a 2 and 1 Trap Triangle
[Chad] But, yup but the reality of that position is, you can get picked up and slammed.
[Chad] Now what is happening, at least he mechanics the movement is legit
[Chad] Switching from a triangle threat to an armbar threat.
[Chad] and back, and that's legit.
[Chad] The fight now has Donnie Yen on his back.
Andy on top.
From the fight here, it looks like Donnie Yen was combining what was referred to as a 2 on 1.
A wrestling term.
Two hands controlling the one arm.
He has outside leg hooking like so.
And the other leg is acting as a blocker.
This is totally valid, right?
This is stopping any punches and I'm having control where he just can't pull out.
Now the entry
The foot looked like it traveled to the hip.
From here as he's pulling, notice how Logan's head is leaning forward ⁠— his head and arm, excuse me
his head and arm is leaning forward.
and I have one on back.
this makes it very easy for me to lift my hips up
climb
to a trap triangle
It's not an official submission yet.
This is just a control
When looking for this technique, the demand requires that you somehow
isolate or force the head and arm to lean forward
If my partner ever has their head over their hips
It's not going to work. You have to get their head over the hips in some way.
and this is what Donnie Yen did.
Now he got picked up and slammed.
against the car.
and even though the position itself, probably is not that realistic.
His transition, and what he's trying to do, are.
Donnie Yen did try to go for
an armbar.
back to the choke.
so the armbar.
From here.
Outside leg.
Swings over and hooks on top of the ankles here.
I would usually do this if I feel that my opponent.
Is actually posturing up.
Yes!
The higher the posture, the chance of me getting a choke goes down.
However, joint locks open up.
Like the armbar.
So in this case here, this is actually a good time, to actually
Swing your leg and hook.
How would you do this, in detail.
You need to do that, if not, you will not be able to lift off your opponent
And now, while controlling 2-on-1 here, I will bend the elbow on to my hip.
Last important detail,
I have to base myself on this shoulder.
The shoulder that's near my training partner (or opponent) not away.
Looks like this.
I look
and that's all it takes.
That's all it takes to break the arm.
And that's what Donnie Yen was trying to do.
But then you decide to—
This failed.
And he went back to his triangle attempt.
Which is valid.
Now
These submission attacks
They weren't working. They were being countered.
So another good thing he did.
And this is something that
In one of my MMA fights, I should've done
but I was thinking so much submissions, that I should've just done what Donnie Yen was doing.
Hit the guy!
This is a control. This is a strong control.
If these submissions fail,
there's nothing wrong with holding the guy's head, and hitting them.
and this is what he starts doing
Actually in this fight, as these submissions are not working.
The only thing I would say is
Is there was a situation, in where Donnie Yen is doing all this.
and being held up against a vehicle.
He got slammed there.
That's the only part that
I don't know how realistic that is.
But
What you saw him trying to do
I would say is valid.
It's real.
[Chad] Okay so the top attack fails in a triangle.
[Chad] and now he switched to a leg attack and that's also a legit concept.
[Chad] That's a very important strategy in attacking high and low and combining it.
[Chad] Oh nice!
[Chad] Okay nice!
[Chad] He's going into a knee bar.
[Chad] And you know, that's a legit idea. It's holding on to the ankle so that you have connection.
[Chad] Yeah, while the guy is trying to get out.
[Logan] Ouch! Axe kick!
The triangle attempt failed by Donnie Yen.
and what started happening was, as the fight got off the vehicle.
and back to the floor.
His opponent, Andy, started standing up.
Now again there's a lot of good fight concept, being held in this fight scene.
When the upper body, the upper body attacks that Donnie Yen was doing, the triangle, was failing.
He moved to attack the legs.
[Chad] Donnie Yen moves to a guard that I mentioned in the movie Flash Point.
[Chad] A De La Riva Guard.
[Chad] Like so.
[Chad] Grabbing the ankle.
Outside leg hooking towards the thigh.
Other leg acting as a post, or a block.
or even in a real fight, kicking.
From what I saw, Donnie Yen moved to a leg attack.
Which is a good idea.
There's a lot of good leg attacks you can do.
And what I believe he did, was the leg went over and under.
He went to a scoop grip and then he lifts his hips up to this bite.
[Chad] Believe he's trying to use that to knock him down and go into a kneebar.
If Donnie Yen was successful and managed to bring the fight.
He would land in a position, something like this.
Whether the feet are crossed or, have a figure four.
What's very important is that I'm connecting very close to my partner's hip.
Now
He has to control the ankle.
One example of control.
Is using your elbow to bite towards the ankle here.
Using your free hand. To grab towards the toes like this.
and now, once I have both joints lock
I drive my hip through this knee that's facing me
like so
And that's the knee bar that he was going for.
Although
His attack failed.
And
He did a good thing where his opponent was trying to run away
And what I really liked was, as he was trying to hold on to the leg.
and his opponent Andy, who's running away here.
He used it to stand up to go into a strike or a kick rather.
What he could've done better?
I think the choice of technique was poor.
If we're talking leg locks.
There're some better options here.
Particularly going towards heel hooks.
I'll show one example what he could have done
If Donnie Yen did do this.
He could actually bring this leg over.
And start turning the knee.
Look what it's doing everyone.
It's exposing the heel.
From here.
I can get a lock.
and form my heel-hook break.
Now what really happen here, if he would to stay here.
If my partner (opponent) was not to roll over
I can now use my control of this ankle control
and I would twist the foot towards his butt like so
Imma go real slow here.
And now I would drive my hips forward.
I'mma go again real slow here buddy.
Twist the ankle
And now from here I can drive the hip forward, to apply pressure to that knee.
Now what most people do, is they back up and roll up to their butts over my leg.
Watch as my partner (opponent) row and watch how I follow my partner (opponent), and how I adjust my legs.
So here we go, my partner (opponent) rolls.
And now, I'm into a position which is referred to an Outside Garami.
So from here. I now have an outside heel hook.
And applying the same application watch this, I'mma twist his ankle.
Bring my elbow inside, fall to my shoulder.
And I drive my hips forward into the knee.
Like so, here we go.
Hips forward.
And there, is, I think, would've been a better option
If Donnie Yen, already had that control.
[Chad] And now towards the final scene here, he's trying a standing arm triangle choke.
[Chad] Also another Japanese term, Kata Gatame, which we will talk about later.
[Logan] Does that work standing up?
[Chad] Okay, it's a probability game, right?
[Chad] Low percentage. Low success rate.
[Chad] But more effective on the ground.
The last submission threat that was used was a standing arm triangle situation.
There was a hug.
Right here, the opponent, that Donnie Yen was fighting, Andy.
His arm was over here, from here, Donnie Yen, rised up.
Established a grip. Figure-four his hands.
To squeeze. Like so.
Another term that this control or submission threat is referred to as
In Judo and and some Jujitsu coaches, is Kata Gatame.
The chance of me choking someone out.
In that position.
It's not super high, because if you notice my opponent is on their feet.
They can move.
General concept when applying a submission, a choke or a joint lock is.
We do also want to, to the best we can,
restrict the mobility of my opponent.
Now this choke is done very well on the floor.
I really enjoyed the fight IQ that was demonstrated.
When grappling fails
follow up with a strike.
Another good one that I mentioned earlier.
Learning how to attack the upper and lower body.
When you're in an upper body attack,
and that fails,
you should have the skill and the knowledge to transition to a lower body attack.
This way you're always attacking.
I also really enjoyed the grappling flow and the wrestling scrambles.
There was a lot of good demonstration on control and transition principles.
and if you're not educated in grappling, I understand how that would fly over your head.
My final grade for this fight scene is a good solid:
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