there's really important roots to this
isn't there so like if you if you go
back to again unless there were nomadic
beings
the men are the primary hunters and
these nomadic nomadic times and so
obviously there's a connotation that
that's where it comes from like you eat
meat to be manly but actually if we
think about it that the act of killing
the animal wasn't the masculine trait
back then it was the act of providing
for the for your homes right was the
masculine trait back in the day
Jenny's gender roles change right but
this is back in the day right the active
the masculine act was to provide and to
look after and just defend but we've
conflicted that with the masculine thing
being aggressive but also killing
animals and so you translate that
feeling to a 20-19 context and you have
people thinking actually to be manly
means to eat maple actually to be manly
does it mean to eat meat it means to
look after right and that would be the
direct correlation but we've conflated
that so much no obviously it's not just
about like primal intuition that drives
this culture and like advertising plays
a massive part and so in America and
Australia particularly I don't know
about here in the UK it's not as bad but
American Australia it is heavily heavily
perpetuated in advertising that men eat
meat and also by eating meat you get
women right because these takeaway
adverts like Carl Jr's Subway Burger
King is all about the fetishization and
glamorization and a of eating meat and
and and that's somehow making you know
getting women to find you're attractive
and it's it's really grotesque when you
watch these adverts and you simplify
what's happening these adverts and
what's been reinforced to people but it
really really works like advertising is
so powerful so now you have this idea of
that and then as a vegan I accused it
being a soy boy right and now I am a
sari boy because I love sorry I that's
fine I drink soy milk ate tofu but the
idea is being a soy boy or what
feminizing yourself right because
there's phyto estrogens and soy products
which there is but fighter ii students a
plant hormone and there's no clinical
data to show the plant hormone
phytoestrogen has a negative impact on
your hormonal levels your mammalian
hormonal levels but guess what has
Easter din it
any products has Easter din in it and
this is the paradox that we live in
where people who consume plants have
been said they feminized themselves and
their soy boys by people that drink
gallons of milk that has actually stood
in it and this is no sense of irony no
sense of irony it's beautiful but also
disturbing so I know so I think there's
this huge social stigma that exists and
it's like you know this idea that we
have to reinforce these tropes of what
it means to be a man and so almost
eating meets a stamp of that dominance
in authority and is a reminder of of
kind of like more archaic and
transgressive masculine traits and roles
which is interesting it also applies to
class they did a study and so they had
people from different socioeconomic
class from below the line up to very
very wealthy aristocracy almost right so
very the whole spectrum and it offered
two types of burgers a plan burger and a
meat burger and there was a direct
correlation that as the lower you've got
an associate economic chain the more
likely you were to choose the meat
option so the havoc that the group that
chose the most meat burgers was the
group that was lowest in the
socio-economic class and the group that
chose the most plant-based burgers was
higher up and so and so they drew the
conclusion that it isn't just about meat
and masculinity it's also about meat and
class because when we feel fragile or
threatened or vulnerable or like we are
lacking power within the world that we
live in eating meat is almost a sign of
restoring some form of dominance and of
course eating meat used to only be for
the affluent and so for people that are
lower in the socio-economic scale or
chained so to speak it's almost as a
sign of like rising himself up to be
more affluent because we still hold on
to the idea that eating meat is a
privilege which which it is especially
the quantities that we do is it's a
Western privilege that we're privileges
interesting for humans is the worst of
the animals of course but it's also a
sign of like prosperity and affluence
and so I think all these things that
combined create this very challenging
psychological structure within people
that feel fragile and vulnerable doesn't
they have to do this to re-establish
some form of dominance and the ironic
thing about the mere masculinity thing
is it's the most
Showell men that believe this is the men
with the most fragile masculinity that
believe this this is obviously just an
anecdotal thing which isn't really
particularly credible but I find it is
those who have most fragile about how
they're perceived by others by how
they're perceived by women by how
they're perceived by other men the thing
they have to stamp this form of
dominance and eating meats doing that
which is absurd isn't it but but that's
the paradox right there isn't it if
you're comfortable in your masculinity
then why do you need to impose dominance
and someone else or feel that you need
to I don't know there is probably a lot
more to it that is way above my
intelligence sector right but that's
what I think like so how do we get
around that is the big question
documents like game changes is really
important game change is all about male
athletes you know not Nigerian athletes
but strength half elites right so we're
talking about Arnold Schwarzenegger Zinn
it he's not fully vegan but he's mostly
plant-based not apparently and he's a
big advocate for implant base now so
we're talking about like reversing
stereotypes reversing kind of like
notions of what it means to be manly but
then the current the problem with that
and had this conversation was when the
other day the problem that is restore
reinforcing the idea that muscles equals
manliness this is a different subject so
it's still reinforce the idea that
masculinity is defined by physical
strength now as well which is
nonsensical as well though I don't know
everything is so complex no odd right
like do you know I mean like it's so
simple but also so complex isn't
everything like that like it's simple
when you think about it but then when
you look behind like they're just the
surface level is that ah Christ and here
is all these man elite dealing with
social stigma social pressure fragile
feelings of identity and then you've got
people and what we to do I don't know
yeah
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