So the wall will get built,
but we may not, we may not have an agreement today.
We probably won't.
But we have an agreement on other things
that are really good.
Nancy, would you like to say something?
-Oh, thank you Mister President
for the opportunity to meet with you,
so that we can work together in a bipartisan way
to meet the needs of the American people.
I think the American people recognize
that we must keep government open.
That a shutdown is not worth anything.
And that you should not have a Trump shutdown.
You have the White House -- -A what?
You said Trump?
-A Trump shutdown. -Oh.
-You have the White House.
-Now it's gonna go all over the place.
-You have the Senate.
You have the house of Representatives.
You have the votes. You should pass it right now.
-No, we don't have the votes, Nancy,
because in the Senate we need 60 votes.
-No, no, but in the House. -And we don't have --
-And you could bring it up right now today--
-Yeah, but I can't -- excuse me.
But I can't get it passed in the House if it's not gonna pass
in the Senate, I don't want to waste time.
-Well, the fact is you can get it started that way.
-The House we could get passed very easily and we do.
-Okay, then do it. -But the problem is the Senate,
because we need 10 Democrats to vote and they won't vote.
-That's not the point, Mister President.
The point is, is that their equity is to be weighed.
And we're here to have a conversation the careful way,
so I don't think we should have a debate
in front of the Press on this.
But, the fact is the Senate -- the House Republicans
could bring up this bill if they had the votes,
immediately and set the town for what you want.
-If we thought we were gonna get it passed in the Senate,
Nancy, we would do it immediately.
We'd get it passed very easily in the House.
-No, that's not the point.
-Nancy, I'd have it passed in two seconds.
It doesn't matter though,
because we can't get it passed in the Senate
because we need 10 Democrat votes.
That's the problem.
-Again, let us have our conversation
and then we can meet with the Press again,
but the fact is is that legislating,
which is what we do, you begin, you make your point,
you state your case, that's what the House
of Republicans could do, if they had the votes.
But there are no votes in the House,
majority votes for a wall. No matter where you start.
-That's exactly right, you don't have the votes.
-You don't have the votes. -If I needed the votes
for the wall in the House, I would have them
in one session, it would be done.
-Well then, go do it. -It doesn't help
because we need 10 Democrats in the Senate.
-No, don't put it on the Senate, put it on the negotiation.
-Okay, let me ask you this,
and we're doing this in a very friendly manner.
It doesn't help for me to take a vote in the House,
where I will win easily with the Republicans.
-It will not win. -It doesn't help
to take that vote,
because I'm not gonna get the vote of the Senate,
I need 10 Senators, that's the problem.
-Mister President, you have the White House,
you have the Senate, you have the House of Representatives --
-I have the White House, the White House is done.
And the House would give me the vote if I wanted it.
But I can't because I need, Nancy,
I need 10 votes from Chuck.
-Mister President let me say something here.
-Mister President, let me undermi--
let me just say one thing. -All right.
-The fact is you do not have the votes in the House.
-Nancy, I do. And we need border security.
-Let's take the vote and we'll find out.
-Nancy, we need border security, it's very simple.
-Of course we do. -We need border security.
People are pouring into our country, including terrorists.
We have terrorists.
We have caught 10 terrorists over the last --
very short period of time.
Ten! These are very serious people.
Our border agents,
all of our law enforcement has been incredible,
what they've done, but we caught 10 terrorists.
These are people that were looking to do harm.
We need the wall.
We need -- more important than anything --
we need border security of which the wall is just a piece.
But it's important, Chuck, did you want to say something?
-Yeah, here's what I want to say.
We have a lot of disagreements here.
The Washington Post today,
gave you a whole lot of Pinocchios
because they say you constantly mis-state
how much the wall is -- how much of the wall is built
and how much is there, but that's not the point here.
We have a disagreement about the wall,
whether it's effective or not. -The Washington Post.
Not on border security, but on the wall.
We do not want to shutdown the government.
You have called 20 times to shutdown the government.
You say, "I want to shut down the government."
We don't. We want to come to an agreement.
if we can't come to an agreement we have solutions
that will pass the House and Senate right now,
and we'll not shutdown the government
and that's what we're urging you to do.
Not threaten to shutdown the government, because you can --
-You don't want to shutdown the government, Chuck.
-Let me just finish -- cause you can't get your way.
-Let time you shut it down you got killed.
-Yeah, let me just say something,
Mister President, you just say,
"My way or we'll shutdown the government."
We have a proposal that with Democrats and Republicans
will support to do a CR
that will not shutdown the government.
We urge you to take it.
-And if it's not good border security, I won't take it.
-It's very good border security. -And if it's not good
border security, I won't take it.
-It's what the bor-- -'Cause when you look
at these numbers
of the effectiveness of our border security,
and when you look at the job
that we're doing with our military.
-You just said it is effective. -Can I be --
Can I tell you something?
-Yeah, you just said it's effective.
-Without a wall --
these are only areas where you have the walls.
-We want to the s-- -Where you have walls,
Chuck, it's effective.
Where you don't have walls, it is not effective.
-Let's call a halt in it.
We've come in here, the first branch of government.
Article One, the legislative branch.
We're coming in, in good faith, to negotiate with you
about how we can keep the government open.
-Open.
-We're gonna keep it open if we have border security.
If we don't have border security, Chuck,
we're not gonna keep it open. -I'm with you.
We are gonna have border security.
-And it's the same bord-- You're bragging
about what has been done.
-By us. -We want to do the same thing
we did last year, this year.
That's our proposal.
If it's good then, it's good now,
and it won't shutdown the government.
-Chuck, we can build a much bigger section with more money.
-Let's debate, let's debate in private, okay?
-Okay. -Yeah, let's debate in private.
-Okay. -We have taken this conversation
to a place that is devoid, frankly of fact.
And we can dispel that. -We need border security.
I think we all agree that we need
border security, is that right? -Yes, we do.
-Good. -We do.
-See? We get along.
-Thank you, everybody.
-You say border security and the wall,
can you have border security without the wall?
-You need the wall.
The wall is a part of security.
-Are you redefining what it means to have border security?
-Yes. -We need border security,
the wall is a part of border security.
You can't have a very good border security
without the wall, no. -That is strictly not true.
That is a political promise.
Border security is a way
to effectively honor our responsibility t--
-And the experts say you can do border security without a wall,
which is wasteful and doesn't solve the problem.
-It totally solves the problem.
And it's very important. -But I don't want to take this.
Unfortunately this has spiraled downward,
when we came at a place to say,
how do we meet the needs of the American people, who have needs.
The economy has -- people are losing their jobs,
the market's in a mood.
Our members are left--
-Well, we have the lowest unemployment
that we've had in 50 years. -Okay.
-Fifty people of the Republican party have lost --
are losing their offices now because of the transition.
People are not, the morale is not up.
-And we've gained in the Senate.
Nancy, we've gained in the Senate.
Excuse me, did we win the Senate?
We won the Senate.
-When the President brags that he won North Dakota and Indiana,
he's in real trouble.
-I did.
We did win North Dakota and Indiana.
-This is the most important thing.
We came in here in good faith and we are entering into a,
this kind of a discussion in the public view.
-But it's not bad, Nancy.
It's called transparency. -I know.
But it's not transparency
when we're not stipulating to a set of facts.
And when we want to have a debate with you
about saying we confront some of these facts,
without saying to the public, this isn't true.
-You know what, we need border security.
That's what we're gonna be talking about, border security.
If we don't have border security we'll shutdown the government.
This country needs border security.
-We agree to that.
-The wall is a part of border security.
-Not the wall. -Let's have a talk.
We're gonna get the wall built,
and we've done a lot of wall already.
-How big a part of border security is the wall?
-It's a big sec-- it's a big part of it.
-Is it everything that you need? -It's a big part of it.
We need to have effective border security.
We need a wall in certain parts, no not in all parts,
but in certain parts
of a 2,000-mile border, we need a wall.
-How much money?
-Uh, we are doing it much under budget.
We're actually way under budget on the areas
that we've renovated and areas that we've built.
I would say if we got, if we got $5 billion
we could do a tremendous chunk of wall.
-Are you willing to accept less, though?
-Well, we're gonna see, we're gonna see.
Look, we have to have the wall.
This isn't a question, this is a national emergency.
Drugs are pouring into our country.
People with tremendous medical difficulty and medical problems
are pouring into and, in many, may cases it's contagious.
They're pouring into our country.
We have to have border security.
We have to have a wall as part of border security.
And I don't think we really disagree so much.
I also know that, you know, Nancy's in a situation
where it's not easy for her to talk right now.
And I understand that.
And I fully understand that.
We're gonna have a good discussion
and we're gonna see what happens.
But we have to have border security.
-Mister President, please don't characterize the strength
that I bring to this meeting
as the leader of the House Democrats,
who just won a big victory.
-Elections have consequences, Mister President.
-That's right.
And that's why the country is doing so well.
-Let me just say this, what the president is representing
the terms on his cards over there are not factual.
We have to have an evidence-based conversation
about what does work,
what money has been spent, and how effective it is.
This isn't deba-- This is about the security of our country.
We take an oath to protect and defend.
And we don't want to have that mischaracterized by anyone.
-I agree with that.
No, no I agree with that.
-So let us have a conversation where we don't have to
contradict, in public,
the statistics that you put forth.
But instead can have a conversation
about what will really work
and what the American people deserve from us
at this uncertain time in their lives --
-One thing I think we can agree on
is we shouldn't shutdown the government over a dispute.
-Yes.
-And you want to shut it down, you keep talking about it.
-I want -- no, no, no.
The last time, Chuck, you shut it down.
-No, no, no.
-And then you opened it up very quickly.
-Twenty times.
-And I don't want to do what you did.
-Twenty times.
Twenty times you have called for it.
-Chuck. -I will shutdown the government
if I don't get my wall.
None of us of have said -- -You want to know something?
-You've said it.
-Okay, you want to put that on my -- -You said it.
-I'll take it. -Okay, good.
-You know what I'll say?
Yes, if we don't get what we want one way or the other,
whether it's through you, through military,
through anything you want to call,
I will shutdown the government, absolutely.
-Okay, fair enough. We disagree.
-And I am proud.
-We disagree. -I'll tell you what, I am proud
to shutdown the government for border security, Chuck.
Because the people of this country don't want criminals
and people that have lots of problems
and drugs pouring into our country.
So, I will take the mantle.
I will the one to shut it down.
I'm not gonna blame you for it.
The last time, you shut it down, it didn't work.
I will take the mantle of shutting down.
-That is no--
-And I'm gonna shut it down for border security.
-But we believe you shouldn't shut it down.
-Okay. Thank you very much, everybody.
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-Press, let's go, make your way out.