>> A SOUTH AFRICAN JUDGE IS UNDER FIRE FOR A PRIVATE
FACEBOOK MESSAGE THAT SHE SENT TO A SOCIAL RIGHTS ACTIVIST.
THIS IS A JUDGE BY THE NAME OF MAYBELLE JANSSEN.
IN HER RANT ON FACEBOOK, SHE STARTS TALKING ABOUT THE BLACK
COMMUNITY IN SOUTH AFRICA AND HOW IT IS THEIR CULTURE TO RAPE.
HERE ARE HER WORDS.
LET ME GIVE YOU MORE.
SHE IS SAYING INCREDIBLY HIDEOUS THINGS AND I HAVE
STATISTICS TO SHARE.
THIS TOPIC REALLY FASCINATED ME.
I WANTED TO FIGURE OUT WHY SOMEONE LIKE HER WOULD SO
OPENLY SAY THESE THINGS.
SHE MADE SIMILAR COMMENTS IN A PUBLIC FORUM ON FACEBOOK AS
WELL.
>>EVEN SO, FOR A JUDGE TO VOICE THIS IS PROBLEMATIC.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD HAVE FOUND OUT ABOUT THEM.
NO ONE STOLE THE MESSAGES, THE PERSON SHE WAS SENDING THEM
TO MADE THEM PUBLIC.
ONCE YOU FIND OUT A JUDGE THINKS THIS WAY, DO YOU THINK SHE
WILL JUDGE BLACK PEOPLE IN SOUTH AFRICA FAIRLY?
I KNOW THERE IS A HIGH PREVALENCE OF RAPE IN SOUTH
AFRICA AND IT IS DEEPLY DISTURBING, BUT ANYONE WHO
SAYS IT IS PART OF BLACK CULTURE TO RAPE THE BABIES DOESN'T
KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BLACK CULTURE.
THERE IS NO CULTURE WHERE IT IS A REGULAR THING TO RAPE BABIES.
IF YOU BELIEVE THAT, THERE IS SOMETHING DEEPLY DISTURBING
ABOUT YOU.
REMEMBER SHE IS A JUDGE.
FOR HER TO HAVE PREJUDGED THE WHOLE RACE BASED ON HER
OUTRAGEOUS STEREOTYPES IS UNCONSCIONABLE.
>>
LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, THE RAPE OF BABIES.
IT SEEMS SO CRAZY, AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT TOOK ME ABACK BUT
THEN I WONDERED WHY DOES SHE THINK THIS?
IF YOU LOOK INTO STATISTICS YOU WILL FIND THAT IN SOUTH
AFRICA NOT ONLY IS IT A COUNTRY THAT HAS THE HIGHEST RAPE
OVERALL, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE RAPE OF CHILDREN IT'S A
VERY HIGH.
[VIDEO BUFFERING] PART OF THE REASON IS CULTURAL.
IT'S DIFFICULT TO SHARE THIS INFORMATION WITH YOU.
THERE IS A MYTH WHICH IS KNOWN AS THE VIRGIN CLEANSING METHOD.
ARE YOU FAMILIAR?
IT IS THE IDEA THAT IF YOU HAVE A SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED
DISEASE OR YOU HAVE HIV YOU CAN CLEANSE YOURSELF BY TAKING
THE VIRGINITY OF A GIRL.
OBVIOUSLY THAT IS A MYTH SPREAD BY MISINFORMATION, A LACK
OF EDUCATION.
IT IS SPECIFICALLY PREVALENT IN ZAMBIA, ZIMBABWE, AND NIGERIA.
THAT IS A PRODUCT OF A LACK OF EDUCATION.
THIS IS NOT AN INDICATION THAT SOMEONE IS INHERENTLY EVIL
OR IS PREDISPOSED TO BEING A RAPIST.
THERE IS ALSO THE ISSUE OF THE APARTHEID AND WHAT THAT DID
TO THE BLACK COMMUNITY IN SOUTH AFRICA.
WHEN RAPE WHAT HAPPENED DURING THE APARTHEID, DO YOU THINK
POLICE WOULD HELP THESE WOMEN?
IT WAS LAWLESSNESS.
AS A RESULT, THERE WAS A LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY, LACK OF
PROSECUTIONS, AND THAT SENDS A BAD MESSAGE.
>> SHE SAYS LATER IN THE MESSAGES THAT NOW THEY ARE
MOVING ON TO WHITE WOMEN.
THAT WAS WHEN I SAID I WAS DONE.
TO REFERENCE WHAT ANA WAS TALKING ABOUT, IT IS KIND
OF LIKE WHAT SHERIFF JOE DID IN ARIZONA.
HE IS UNDER FEDERAL
INVESTIGATION FOR THAT.
IN APARTHEID THAT WAS DONE IN A MASSIVE SCALE AND WAS MUCH
WORSE.
IF YOU DO THAT TO WHITE PEOPLE, THAT IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY.
THEN YOU WILL HAVE A WORLD OF PAIN COMING YOUR WAY.
>> SO, SHE IS OBVIOUSLY SHOWING HER BIAS.
THE WORST PART ABOUT WHAT SHE IS SAYING IS THIS INDICATION
THAT IF YOU ARE BLACK YOU ARE LIKELY TO BE A RAPIST
BECAUSE YOU ARE BLACK.
THERE ARE SO MANY CONTACTS THAT PLAY A ROLE IN THE
PREVALENCE OF RAPE IN SOUTH AFRICA.
ONE OF THOSE FACTORS IS HOW RARELY RAPE PERPETRATORS
GET PROSECUTED AND CONVICTED.
AN ESTIMATED 14% OF RAPE PERPETRATORS ARE CONVICTED,
WHILE 40% OF WOMEN ARE LIKELY TO GET RAPED IN SOUTH AFRICA.
>> IT'S AMAZING.
LET'S GET BACK TO THE CULTURE POINT.
CULTURE DOES MATTER.
IS NOT RELIGION, IT'S NOT RACE, IT'S CULTURE.
AND A LOT OF THE MUSLIM CULTURES, THEIR CULTURE WAS
SECULAR UNTIL THE HOBBIES OF SAUDI ARABIA SPREAD
FUNDAMENTALISM THEN THEY CHANGED THEIR CULTURE.
WHEN YOU HAVE AFGHANS ñ HERE IF YOU'RE AN AFGHAN EXPERT YOU
PROBABLY KNOW BETTER THAN I DO.
BUT FOR AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER SOME OF THE
WARLORDS HAVE TAKEN YOUNG BOYS AND MADE THEM DANCE FOR
THEM THEN THEY HAVE SEX WITH THEM.
IF YOU SAY THAT IS WHAT AFGHANS DO, THAT IS NOT CORRECT.
SOME DO, AND IT IS A REAL THING.
IT IS SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO FIGHT IN THAT CULTURE.
THEY ARE TEENAGERS MOST OF THE TIME.
THEY ARE USUALLY KIDNAPPED AND FORCED INTO THIS.
YES IT IS IN THE CULTURE, YES IT IS DESPICABLE, YES IT IS
OKAY TO SAY SOME PARTS OF SOME CULTURES ARE DESPICABLE,
BUT NOT ALL AFGHANS DO IT.
THAT IS NOT HOW IT WORKS.
YOU CAN SEE IN HER STATEMENTS HERE.
THEY ARE ALL RAPING THE BABIES.
YES, THERE IS A SICK PART OF THE CULTURE HERE.
IT IS INSANE THAT THEY BELIEVE IT, BUT IT IS IGNORANCE.
IF I HAVE SEX WITH A VIRGIN I WILL NO LONGER HAVE AIDS,
THAT IS AN EXAMPLE, NO, YOU ARE GOING TO GIVE AIDS TO THAT
YOUNG VIRGIN.
THERE WAS A MYTH THAT IF YOU HAD SEX ON THE BUTTON THAT YOU
COULD NOT GET PREGNANT.
NO ONE ACTUALLY BELIEVED THAT.
WHEN YOU HAVE IGNORANCE, RELIGION, AND MYTHOLOGY
REPLACING FACTS SOMETIMES STUFF LIKE THAT BREEDS.
THE ANSWER TO THAT IS NOT TO PICK OUT A RACE OR A
RELIGION, THE ANSWER IS TO SAY HOW DO WE FIX THAT CULTURE.
THE ANSWER IS NOT EASY, BUT OBVIOUS.
YOU FIX IT WITH FACTS, REASON, AND LOGIC.
AND ALSO EDUCATION.
>> I AGREE WITH YOU THAT EDUCATION IS ONE OF THE MOST
IMPORTANT APPROACHES TO SOLVING OR ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE.
YOU ALSO HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT DOES ITS
JOB AND THAT THEY PROTECT EVERYONE REGARDLESS OF WHAT
THEIR BACKGROUND IS.
RAPE HAS BEEN SO PREVALENT IN SOUTH AFRICA FOR SUCH A
LONG PERIOD OF TIME, DURING THE APARTHEID THERE WAS SO
LITTLE POLICING THAT RAPE VICTIMS THEMSELVES BELIEVED
THAT THIS WAS NORMAL BEHAVIOR.
THEY HAVE BEEN CONDITIONED TO EXPECT IT.
THE STATISTICS ON IT COMPLETELY BLEW ME AWAY.
>> IT'S AMAZING WHAT YOU CAN GET PEOPLE
TO BELIEVE.
WE DID THIS ON A
MASS SCALE HERE
IN AMERICA.
CENTURIES OF GETTING PEOPLE TO BELIEVE THAT THIS WAS ACCEPTABLE
ñ UNFORTUNATELY PEOPLE INTERNALIZE IT.
IF YOU ASK PEOPLE THAT WEAR THE BURQA I BET YOU PROBABLY A
MAJORITY OF THE WOMEN THINK IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
BY THE WAY, ALL CULTURE BRAINWASH AS YOU.
THEY BRAINWASH
YOU INTO GOOD THINGS ARE BAD THINGS.
BECAUSE THOSE WOMEN
INTERNALIZE IT DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT.
>>OF COURSE.
>>COVERING
THEM UP ENTIRELY, NOT LETTING THEM HAVE THEIR OWN PERSONALITY
OR FREEDOM ETC.
I DISAGREE WITH SOME LIBERAL PROPOSITIONS.
SOME BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN'T MESS WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S CULTURE
ETC.
I THINK THERE ARE PARTS OF CULTURE THAT ARE
DEMONSTRABLY WRONG.
FOR EXAMPLE, FEMALE MUTILATION.
SOMETIMES WE CAN CHANGE CULTURE FOR THE WORST.
I THINK IT IS A WORTHY PROJECT TO TRY TO CHANGE CULTURE
FOR THE BETTER.
NOT IN A COERCIVE WAY OR THREE BOMBING, BUT BY GIVING
PEOPLE FACTS SO THEY CAN MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS.
>> SO THEY CAN EMPOWER THEMSELVES AND KNOW THE
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT THEY SHOULD AND SHOULD NOT EXPECT.
NO ONE SHOULD EXPECT TO GET RAPED AND THINK IT IS A
NORMAL WAY OF LIFE.
>>
REMEMBER THE MOVIE YOU WATCHED ABOUT THE NUNS IN IRELAND?
>>YES.
>>BACK THEN THEY THOUGHT IT WAS PERFECTLY NORMAL.
IF YOU DID ANYTHING IMMORAL, THEY SENT YOU TO THOSE
ABOMINABLE PLACES WHERE THEY ABUSE YOU TO NO END,
SOMETIMES FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.
I THINK THIS WOMAN IS ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THIS.