LIZ: WE HAVE THIS NEWS.
MORGAN STANLEY IS PLANNING TO
SHUTTER ITS BANKING BUSINESS IN
RUSSIA BY 2020.
THE COMPANY SAYS U.S. AND
EUROPEAN SANCTIONS ARE JUST
MAKING IT TOO HARD FOR BUSINESS
IN RUSSIA TO ACCESS GLOBAL
CAPITAL MARKETS, BUT THERE'S A
MUCH BIGGER ISSUE.
VLADIMIR PUTIN IS THROWING
AMERICANS WHO WORK THERE IN
PRISON.
THE MAN WHO RAN THE LARGEST
HEDGE FUND IN RUSSIA IS HERE,
BILL BROWDER, BUT DON'T ASK HIM
WHETHER HE SHOULD SET UP A
MUTUAL OR HEDGE FUND IN RUSSIA.
HE BARELY ESCAPED BY THE SKIN OF
HIS TEETH AFTER THROWING HIS
HERMITAGE FUND IN RUSSIA.
HIS LAWYER, SERGEI MAGNITSKY,
UNCOVERED A [ INAUDIBLE ]
COMMITTED BY RUSSIAN OFFICIALS.
HE WAS ARRESTED AND TORTURED TO
DEATH IN A RUSSIAN PRISON.
BILL BROWDER IS STILL WANTED BY
RUSSIA BUT HE IS HERE WITH US ON
FOX BUSINESS.
NOT ONLY DOES HE WANT YOU BE
NOT ONLY DOES HE WANT YOU BUT
HE'S ASKED INTERPOL TO GRAB YOU.
>> NOT JUST ONCE, OR TWICE, BUT
SEVEN TIMES.
I WAS ARRESTED LAST SUMMER IN
MADRID.
I WAS IN MADRID TO GIVE EVIDENCE
TO THE SPANISH PROSECUTOR ABOUT
PUTIN'S MONEY LAUNDERING CRIMES
AND I GOT GRABBED ON A RUSSIAN
INTERPOL ARREST WARRANT.
MOST RECENTLY AFTER THE EUROPEAN
UNION STARTED TALKING ABOUT
SANCTIONING RUSSIA NAMED AFTER
MY LAWYER, SERGEI MAGNITSKY,
THEY ISSUED A SEVENTH REQUEST TO
INTERPOL.
LIZ: WHAT'S HAPPENING THIS WEEK
OR TOMORROW?
IS INTERPOL ACTUALLY CONSIDERING
BRINGING YOU BACK?
>> INTERPOL IS ACTIVELY
CONSIDERING IT AFTER THE SEVENTH
REQUEST, AFTER REJECTING THE
FIRST SIX AS BEING ILLEGITIMATE
AND POLITICALLY MOTIVATED.
LIZ: WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO
HERE?
>> I'M TRAVELING, BUT I ONLY
TRAVEL TO COUNTRIES THAT I
BELIEVE HAVE A RULE OF LAW.
LIZ: IT'S ALMOST AS IF RUSSIA IS
DOUBLING DOWN.
IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING
TO AMERICAN BUSINESS EXECUTIVES
THERE, THERE ARE TWO CURRENTLY
WHO ARE IN PRISON WHO HAVE BEEN
NABBED FOR WHO KNOWS WHAT
CHARGE, ESPIONAGE.
PAUL WHELAN AND MICHAEL COUNTI.
WHAT DOES THE OVERALL MESSAGE OF
THESE NEW ARRESTS TELL YOU OF
HOW DANGEROUS IT IS TO DO
BUSINESS IN RUSSIA?
>> BASICALLY, RUSSIA HAS ALWAYS
BEEN A DANGEROUS PLACE TO DO
BUSINESS BUT IT'S GOTTEN MORE
DANGEROUS NOW.
PUTIN DOESN'T CARE WHAT IT LOOKS
LIKE FROM THE OUTSIDE.
YOU RISK NOT JUST LOSING YOUR
MONEY, BUT IN THESE TWO CASES AS
YOU HAVE SEEN, YOU RISK GOING TO
JAIL.
WHEN YOU GO TO RUSSIAN JAIL,
THIS IS LIKE ONE OF THE WORST
JAILS IN THE WORLD.
AS YOU MENTIONED IN THE
INTRODUCTION, SERGEI MAGNITSKY
WAS TORTURED TO DEATH IN A
RUSSIAN JAIL IN 2009 WORKING FOR
THE LARGEST FOREIGN INVESTOR IN
RUSSIA.
LIZ: PEOPLE HERE ARE ALL JUST
LOOKING TO MAKE A BUCK.
DO THEY COME UP TO YOU AND SAY I
CAN DO WHAT YOU COULDN'T
ACCOMPLISH AND WHAT DO YOU TELL
THEM IF THEY ARE INTERESTED IN
GOING TO RUSSIA TO DO BUSINESS?
>> I TELL THEM RUSSIA IS
UNINVESTABLE.
I SAY IT'S COMPLETELY
UNINVESTABLE.
YOU SHOULDN'T GO THERE.
DON'T RISK YOUR MONEY.
DON'T RISK YOUR LIFE.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE HERE IS
THINKING ABOUT GOING TO RUSSIA
AND SETTING UP AN INVESTMENT
FUND.
LIZ: YOU DID SOMETHING VERY FEW
CIVILIANS HAVE EVER DONE.
YOU LOBBIED CONGRESS AND GOT A
BILL PASSED, MADE INTO LAW, THE
MAGNITSKY ACT, WHICH OF COURSE,
SLAPS ALL KINDS OF SANCTIONS AND
ELIMINATES VISAS AND FREEZES
ASSETS ON RUSSIANS AND ANYBODY
WHO IS ACCUSED OF HUMAN RIGHTS
VIOLATIONS.
I HAVE TO ASK YOU, THOUGH,
BECAUSE YOU TOLD ME IN THE PAST
THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION,
THE ADMINISTRATION OVERALL, HAS
BEEN WAY TOUGHER THAN THE PAST
THREE PRESIDENTS ON THE RUSSIANS
WHEN IT COMES TO SANCTIONS, YET
HE JUST HAD A PHONE CALL A
FRIDAY AGO WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN
FOR 90 MINUTES THAT HE
INITIATED, APPARENTLY, AND HOW
DO YOU SQUARE THE RELATIONSHIP
HE HAS WITH HOW TOUGH THE
ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN?
>> WELL, I HAVE TO REVISIT THAT
TOUGH ADMINISTRATION POINT.
EVERY YEAR, IN DECEMBER, THE
U.S. GOVERNMENT ADDS MORE PEOPLE
TO THE MAGNITSKY LIST.
LAST DECEMBER, WAS THE FIRST
TIME SINCE THE LAW WAS PASSED
THAT THE GOVERNMENT, THE U.S.
GOVERNMENT, TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION, HAS NOT ADDED
ANYBODY OR EVEN REPORTED TO
CONGRESS WHICH THEY ARE REQUIRED
TO DO UNDER THE LAW, WHAT THEY
ARE DOING ON THE MAGNITSKY LIST.
NOW WE ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE
I HOPE THAT THEY COME OUT AND
SHOW THEIR CARDS AND SHOW THAT
THEY ARE CONTINUING TO BE TOUGH,
BECAUSE I HAVE ALWAYS BELIEVED
THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS FULL
OF CLEAR-HEADED PEOPLE ABOUT
RUSSIA IN TERMS OF SANCTIONS AND
IN TERMS OF VLADIMIR PUTIN.
LIZ: PUTIN APPARENTLY TOLD
PRESIDENT TRUMP I DON'T WANT TO
DO ANYTHING BAD IN VENEZUELA.
>> THAT'S AN OUTRIGHT LIE.
THEY HAVE SENT IN HUNDREDS OF
TROOPS TO SUPPORT MADURO AS HE
WAS ABOUT TO FALL.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, I WOULD
SPECULATE THAT MADURO WOULD HAVE
ALREADY FALLEN HAD THE RUSSIANS
NOT BEEN THERE.
THIS IS JUST WHAT THE RUSSIANS
DID IN SYRIA.
THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS
OF DEAD PEOPLE IN SYRIA AND
MILLIONS OF REFUGEES BECAUSE OF
RUSSIANS WENT IN AND SUPPORTED
ASSAD.
LIZ: I DON'T BELIEVE PUTIN WHEN
HE SAYS HE'S MAGNANIMOUS WHEN IT
COMES TO VENEZUELA.
WHAT KIND OF TENTACLES DOES THIS
GUY HAVE IN A
GUY HAVE?IN A
A BELUGA WHALE WAS DISCOVERED
WITH A RUSSIAN HARNESS AROUND IT
AS IF IT WERE BEING TRAINED BY
THE RUSSIAN NAVY.
WHAT'S GOING ON THERE?
DOES HE WANT WORLD DOMINATION?
>> HE'S NEVER GOING TO ACHIEVE
WORLD DOMINATION.
HIS ECONOMY IS THE SIZE OF THE
STATE OF NEW YORK.
HIS MILITARY BUDGET IS 90% LESS
THAN THE UNITED STATES'.
BUT HE'S POKING AROUND WHERE
IT'S CHEAP.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT COSTS
TO TRAIN A WHALE BUT IT'S NOT
HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
LIZ: I LOVED YOUR BOOK "RED
NOTICE" BUT LET ME JUST SAY, YOU
KNOW THIS, HE DOES NOT LIKE YOU.
HE WOULD LIKE YOU NOT TO BE
ALIVE.
WHAT IS YOUR BIGGEST FEAR?
>> MY BIGGEST FEAR RIGHT NOW IS
BEING ARRESTED AS I CROSS THE
BORDER ON A RUSSIAN ARREST
WARRANT AND HAVING A COUNTRY
THAT'S COMPLIANT WITH PUTIN HAND
ME OVER.
IF I GET HANDED OVER TO THE
RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT, I WILL BE