>> ALL RIGHT. LET’S BRING IN THIS MORNING’S
KNIGHTS OF THE ROUND TABLE.
VERY GOOD TO HAVE WITH US.
POLITICAL CONSULTANT BACK AGAIN.
AND DETROIT FREE PRESS
STRATEGIST AND THANK YOU ALL FOR
COMING.
COMING. YOU COME FROM DIFFERENT
PERSPECTIVES ON WHAT YOU’VE SEEN
THUS FAR.
THUS FAR. JILL SHALL YOU’VE BEEN AROUND A
LOT OF CAMPAIGNS.
I WANT TO START WITH YOU JUST
OVER WHAT WE WATCHED HAPPEN OVER
THE SPAN OF FIVE OR SIX DAYS
LAST WEEK.
LAST WEEK. I--
I-- I’VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING MORE
EXTRAORDINARY IN PRIMARY
POLITICS THAN WATCHING THE CHAIR
SHUFFLE.
SHUFFLE. >> LIKE THE WILD WEST, WHERE ARE
THE BODIES!
THE BODIES! AND ALL OF THAT.
BUT, YEAH, YOU SAW MAJOR FORCES
AND DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE
PARTIES SORT OF MOUTH PIECES,
STANDARD BEARERS, ISSUE
ADVOCATES ONE BY ONE CHOOSE TO
EXIT THE RACE, THERE WERE
RESULTS, THERE WERE
CONVERSATIONS AND THERE WAS
MOVEMENT AND NEVER SO MUCH, I
THINK, BY SO MANY WHO HAD BEEN
AROUND FOR SO LONG THAT WERE SO
RESOURCED CHOOSING TO ACT AS
THEY DID IN SURPRISING WAYS, I
DON’T THINK WERE ANTICIPATED BY
THOSE FOLLOWING THE RACE ALL THE
TIME.
TIME. >> MARIO, ONE THING, ALSO, THAT
IT LED ME TO BELIEVE IS THAT
IOWA, NEW HAMPSHIRE ARE AS
ANTIQUATED AN IDEA AS EVER
BECAUSE THE PEOPLE, A LOT OF
FOLKS WHO DID REALLY WELL THERE
WERE GONE IN THE BLINK OF AN EYE
AND TIME--
AND TIME-- >> EXACTLY, WE’VE GOT TO GIVE
VICE-PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN CREDIT
FOR THAT BECAUSE HE BASICALLY
SAID, HEY, I’M NOT--
I DON’T THINK I’M GOING TO DO
TOO WELL IN THESE TWO CAUCUSES
HOWEVER WHEN WE GET TO SOUTH
CAROLINA I’M GOING TO SHOW YOU
WHAT A REAL LEADER LOOKS LIKES,
AND GETS VOTES ESPECIALLY FROM
AFRICAN-AMERICAN.
AFRICAN-AMERICAN. HE MADE A PREDICTION AT THE
DEBATE, I’M GOING TO WIN SOUTH
CAROLINA AND THE
AFRICAN-AMERICAN VOTE IS GOING
TO PUT ME OVER.
>> YOU’RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE AS
A DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE IF YOU
DON’T HAVE SUPPORT IN THE
AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY WHICH
BRINGS ME TO ABDULLAH, BERNIE
SANDERS WHO YOU, I BELIEVE WERE
THE EARLIEST AT THE CAPITOL TO
SUPPORT BERNIE SANDERS.
THIS PROBLEM THAT HE SEEMS TO
HAVE HE’S KIND OF PASSING ON A
NUMBER OF SOUTHERN STATES AND
FOCUS IN MICHIGAN.
TERRIBLY IMPORTANT FOR HIM TO
WIN THE STATE THAT HE WON IN THE
PRIMARY BEFORE, BUT IF YOU CAN’T
REACH INTO THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN
COMMUNITY IT’S REALLY TOUGH TO
WIN AS A DEMOCRAT, ISN’T IT?
>> I THINK IT IS.
FOR BERNIE SANDERS, HE’S THE
CAMPAIGN WITH THE LARGEST
ORGANIZING EFFORT ACROSS THE
COUNTRY AND HE’S WINNING AMONGST
A DIVERSE COALITION.
THE YOUNG PEOPLE ACROSS ALL
RACES AND DEMOGRAPHICS, HE’S
WINNING THE SECOND LARGEST
VOTING BLOCK IN THE COUNTRY, THE
HISPANIC VOTE AS WELL.
IN MICHIGAN HE’S WINNING AGAINST
THE MUSLIM VOTE AND THE AMERICAN
VOTE WHICH I THINK WILL PROVIDE
HIM A DECISIVE VICTORY ON
TUESDAY.
TUESDAY. >> NANCY, YOUR COLUMN THIS PAST
WEEK I THINK REGISTERED WITH A
LOT OF WOMEN WHO HAVE WATCHED
ANOTHER STRONG WOMAN CANDIDATE
NOT MAKE IT TO THE FINAL CUT.
YOU WROTE KIND OF A--
ALMOST A VERY WISTFUL ALMOST A
LOVE LETTER TO WATCHING
ELIZABETH WARREN’S CAMPAIGN
DISSIPATE.
DISSIPATE. >> I’VE READ A LOT ABOUT POLICY.
SHE’S A POLICY QUEEN.
LIKE IT WAS REALLY WONDERFUL TO
HAVE THIS CANDIDATE WHO--
A WOMAN CANDIDATE COULD TACKLE
SUBSTANTIVE ISSUES WITH REALLY
GREAT COMPREHENSIVE PROGRAMS.
ACTUAL PLANS TO GET US TO THESE
PROGRESSIVE SOLUTIONS AND IT WAS
HEARTBREAKING TO NOT SEE HER DO
WELL.
WELL. >> I THINK THE BEST DEBATER
PROBABLY.
PROBABLY. >> OH.
>> OH. >> DEVIN: AND I THINK IN SOME
WAYS THE FIERCEST THINKER OF THE
POOL AND YET, IT WASN’T ENOUGH.
>> SHE’S KIND OF TOO GOOD FOR
US, RIGHT?
US, RIGHT? [LAUGHTER]
[LAUGHTER] >> I DON’T KNOW THAT--
WELL, CLEARLY VOTERS DIDN’T
THINK SO.
THINK SO. BUT AS I SAID OFF THE TOP OF THE
PROGRAM, JILL, WE HAD THIS
REALLY DIVERSE PILE OF
CANDIDATES TO START.
WE HAD AN ASIAN-AMERICAN, WE HAD
TWO REALLY YOUNG CANDIDATES IN,
WOMEN, WE HAD AFRICAN-AMERICANS
AND IN THE END WE END UP WITH
TWO OLD WHITE GUYS.
>> AND LBGTQ.
SO MANY DYNAMICS AT WORK, GENDER
BIAS, WHICH IS UNCONSCIOUS
GENDER BIAS FOR SOME VOTERS,
THEY DON’T KNOW HOW THINGS
IMPACT THEM, BUT WHAT I WILL SAY
I THINK IT’S A WIN FOR THE
DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
DEMOCRATIC PARTY. THERE’S SOME ALWAYS FATIGUE
WHILE THESE CONVERSATIONS ARE
GOING ON, BUT NEW PEOPLE ARE
BECOMING ENGAGED AS A RESULT AND
THE CONVERSATION HAS BEEN ABOUT
DONALD TRUMP STILL, EVEN THOUGH
THERE WERE DISAGREEMENTS,
SOMETIMES BIG, BUT GENERALLY THE
VALUES WERE THE SAME AND THE
PLATFORMS WERE THE SAME FROM--
SOME OF THE PLANS MAY HAVE BEEN
MORE SPECIFIC, BUT I WILL SAY
THAT FOR ALL OF THE--
IN THE LAST WEEK, THERE AT LEAST
SOME PEACE HERE AND WE’VE GOT
JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS MAYBE
BEFORE WE HAVE PRESUMPTIVE
NOMINEE.
NOMINEE. >> DEVIN: I DON’T KNOW, THE
BERNIE SANDERS CROWD THAT I
REMEMBER COVERING IN
PHILADELPHIA AT DNC IN 2016 WAS
UNLIKE ANY POLITICAL GROUP I’VE
EVER BEEN AROUND FOR.
MARIO, THEY’RE NOT BEING TALKED
INTO SUPPORTING ANYONE ELSE.
>> NO.
>> NO. >> DEVIN: THEY’RE NOT GOING
ALONG TO PLAY NICE AND MANY OF
THEM HAVE NEVER BEEN INVOLVED IN
POLITICS BEFORE.
POLITICS BEFORE. IT TOOK BERNIE TO GET NEMTHEM.
HOW DO YOU MAKE PEACE OUT OF
THAT.
THAT. >> FIRST OF ALL, DEPENDS ON WHAT
HAPPENS IN MICHIGAN AND
WISCONSIN.
WISCONSIN. >> DEVIN: OKAY.
LET’S GET TO THAT.
WHAT HAPPENS IN MICHIGAN ON
TUESDAY.
TUESDAY. >> THIS IS SO TIGHT, BUT THE
MOTOR TUM IS WITH JOE BIDEN.
THE MOMENTUM IS WITH JOE BIDEN
AND IF HE GETS HIS SUPPORT BASE
PRIMARILY THE AFRICAN-AMERICANS,
TO COME OUT TO VOTE IN HIS
FAVOR, THEN I THINK THAT IT’S
GOING TO GO IN HIS FAVOR.
I’M GIVING HIM THE EDGE RIGHT
NOW, BUT MICHIGAN POLITICS,
ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN.
WE’VE SEEN JESSIE JACKSON,
GEORGE WALLACE, WE’VE SEEN
BERNIE SANDERS V HILLARY
CLINTON.
CLINTON. ONE MORE POINT I WANT TO
PIGGYBACK ON SOMETHING YOU
MENTIONED ABOUT THE--
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TWO WHITE GUYS
ON THE TOP OF THE TICKET.
LET’S SAY THREE.
LET’S COUNT TRUMP BECAUSE HE’S
GOING TO GET THE NOD ON THE
REPUBLICAN SIDE.
REPUBLICAN SIDE. THIS IS GOING TO BE SO
IMPORTANT.
IMPORTANT. >> DEVIN: STILL HAVE TULSI
GABBARD, BUT GO AHEAD.
>> THIS IS SO IMPORTANT FOR THE
VICE-PRESIDENTIAL PICK AND I’M
THINKING THAT, FIRST OF ALL,
IT’S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A WOMAN
ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE IT’S
GOING TO HAVE TO BE A WOMAN AND
TO SOME DEGREE, MAYBE
AFRICAN-AMERICAN WOMAN.
AFRICAN-AMERICAN WOMAN. >> MAYBE.
>> MAYBE. >> I WANT TO POINT OUT REAL
CLEAR THAT BERNIE SANDERS WON
THE PRIMARY IN MICHIGAN, BUT
LOST THE VOTE IN THE CITY OF
DETROIT BY 42 POINTS.
SO, JOE BIDEN HAS SUPPORT IN THE
AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY.
AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY. >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. >> WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN IN
MICHIGAN THIS TIME, HAS BERNIE
EXPANDED HIS BASE AMONG
AFRICAN-AMERICANS IN MICHIGAN.
IF YOU CAN’T TURN OUT DETROIT OR
TURN OUT OTHER PLACES WITH ARE
THERE ARE A BIG ENCLAVE OF BLACK
VOTERS, IT’S NOT GOING TO
HAPPEN.
HAPPEN. THE ELECTION IS NOT GOING TO BE
DECIDED BY ANYBODY THAT LOOKS
LIKE US--
LIKE US-- >> AND THE WAY YOU SEE IT IT WAS
MORE ABOUT BERNIE AND THE WAY
THAT HE CONNECTED WITH A LOT OF
MICHIGAN.
MICHIGAN. >> I THINK IT WAS ABOUT
EXPANDING THE ELECTORATE.
I THINK IT WAS ABOUT ORGANIZING
ON THE GROUND, HE’S HOSTING
SEVERAL RALLIES AND SEES THE
CAMPAIGN RALLIES ACROSS THE
STATE AND NOBODY THAT’S KNOCKED
MORE DOORS OR DIALED MORE ON THE
PHONE THAN BERNIE SANDERS’
CAMPAIGN COLLECTIVELY.
CAMPAIGN COLLECTIVELY. HE HAS A PLATFORM THAT SPEAKS TO
THIS IDEA OF DISMANTLING THIS
SYSTEM THAT HASN’T WORKED FOR
THE AVERAGE WORKING FAMILY.
>> SOCIALIST.
>> SOCIALIST. >> DEVIN: ONE OF THE REASONS WHY
ALL OF THIS HAPPENED IN THOSE
LAST FIVE DAYS IS THERE CLEARLY
WAS A LOT OF FEAR ABOUT BERNIE
SANDERS BEING THE STANDARD
BEARER FOR THE PARTY.
WHY AREN’T YOU MORE AFRAID ABOUT
AN AVOWED SOCIALIST WHO REALLY
REFUSES TO CONDEMN FIDEL CASTRO
AS MUCH AS EVERYBODY WOULD LIKE
HIM TO?
HIM TO? I MEAN, DOES HE SEEM--
HE CLEARLY DOESN’T SEEM AS RISKY
IN THE GENERAL ELECTION TO YOU,
BUT HE CLEARLY DOES TO MANY
DEMOCRATS.
DEMOCRATS. >> HE’S NOT RISKY.
LET’S LOOK AT HIS DEMOCRATIC
SOCIALIST PLATFORM.
SOCIALIST PLATFORM. MEDICARE FOR ALL.
I DON’T KNOW WHY IT’S SUCH A
RADICAL IDEA TO BELIEVE THAT WE
SHOULD SPEND $12,000 OUT OF OUR
POCKET FOR A HEALTH INSURANCE
SPENDS A DIE, DON’T KNOW WHY A
RADICAL IDEA.
RADICAL IDEA. I HAVE $350,000 OF STUDENT LOAN
DEBT.
DEBT. WHY IS IT IRRATIONAL TO FIND AN
ABILITY TO PATH OF TUITION-FREE
COLLEGE FOR ALL.
WHY IS IT RADICAL TO VOTE
AGAINST ANALYST WARS.
THESE ARE THINGS THAT BERNIE HAS
CONSISTENCY AUTHENTICITY AND
VOTING RECORD TO SUPPORT UNLIKE
THE OTHERS CURRENTLY.
>> I THINK WHAT’S RADICAL IS THE
IDEA THAT WE CAN GET THERE IN
FOUR YEARS WITH A CONGRESS THAT
IS GOING TO LOOK A LOT LIKE THE
CONGRESS WE HAVE NOW AND KIND OF
POSIT IF WE REALLY HAD A HUGE
APPETITE FOR DEMOCRATIC
SOCIALISTS WE PROBABLY WOULD
HAVE ELECTED MORE OF THEM TO
THINGS.
THINGS. >> DEVIN: AM I USING THE RIGHT
WORD, IS IT FEAR FROM A LOT OF
DEMOCRATS OF WHAT BERNIE WOULD
BE IN THE GENERAL ELECTION THEN?
>> WELL, I THINK IT’S--
I THINK IT’S A PRACTICAL
CONCERN.
CONCERN. I THINK THAT NANCY TOUCHED ON
SOMETHING, WHAT IS THE PUBLIC’S
APPETITE FOR THIS KIND OF--
IT WOULD BE RADICAL CHANGE, I
DON’T MEAN RADICALIST IDEAS
BECAUSE WE ALL AGREE ON THAT
EVERYBODY SHOULD BE INSURED.
AND LARGE STATES SAYING THE
NUMBER ONE THING ON ALL POLLS
PRETTY MUCH IS BEATING DONALD
TRUMP AND I THINK THAT DEMOCRATS
ON THEICKET WERE AFRAID TO BE
RUNNING UNDERNEATH OR THOSE
IDEAS.
IDEAS. IF WE LOOK AT THE ISSUES THAT
BERNIE IS ADVOCATING FOR, THEY
OVERWHELMINGLY WIN ACROSS THE
COUNTRY MUCH WE NEED SOMEBODY
WHO WOULD BE ABLE TO BEAT TRUMP
AND PUSH AN AGENDA.
YOU MIGHT THINK WE MIGHT HAVE A
CANDIDATE FOR MODERATE, BUT
BERNIE SANDERS ON DAY ONE CAN
PUSH THAT AGENDA.
AND HERE IS AN INDIVIDUAL WHO
CAN RE SHAPE OUR FOREIGN POLICY
UNLIKE EITHER CANDIDATE BECAUSE
HE HAS THE AUTHORITY AS
PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT. >> AS A MEMBER OF THE
LEGISLATURE YOU KNOW THAT ONE
PERSON WITHOUT LIKE-MINDED
PEOPLE VOTING AROUND THEM, AN
IDEA REALLY DOESN’T COUNT MUCH
FOR AN IDEA IF IT DOESN’T HAVE A
CHANCE OF SUCCEEDING AND TURNING
INTO ACTION.
INTO ACTION. >> UNLESS YOU’RE ABLE TO
ORGANIZATION AND MOBILIZE A
COALITION.
COALITION. BERNIE HAS PASSED MORE
AMENDMENTS--
AMENDMENTS-- >> I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE
MORE OF THE FACT HE’S AN ISLAND.
>> AND HE’S PASSED MORE ON THE
FLOOR THAN ANY OTHER SENATOR.
WE SEE HIS ABILITY TO GET THINGS
DONE.
DONE. >> I WOULD BE REALLY THOUGHTFUL
ABOUT IF I WERE A SANDERS
SUPPORTER OR SANDERS HIMSELF IS
THAT THUS FAR THE PEOPLE MOST
IMPACTED DISPROPORTIONATELY
IMPACTED DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACTED BY THE STATUS, UN
UNFAVORABLY IMPACTED ARE PEOPLE
ARE COUNTRY.
ARE COUNTRY. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY’RE NOT
REALLY EN MASSE.
>> DEVIN: A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE
WORRIED ABOUT JOE BIDEN IS JUST
A FEW GAFFES AWAY FROM BLOWING
UP AT ANY MOMENT.
SCATTER BRAINEDED.
SCATTER BRAINEDED. >> A LOT OF PEOPLE LOOK AT WHO
CAN BEAT DONALD TRUMP.
THE WIN GOES MORE IN THE FAVOR
OF JOE BIDEN THAN SOMEONE
LABELED A SOCIALIST AND MANY
PEOPLE DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT
SOCIALISM ABOUT.
SOCIALISM ABOUT. AND WHOEVER PROVES THEIR WAY
WITH THE VOTERS.
>> PUSH PACK WITH THAT THE SAME
ARGUMENT WITH HILLARY CLINTON
AND WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED IN 16.
>> DEVIN: I’VE GOT TO GET TO A
BREAK.
BREAK. THANKS, GANG FOR THE