PEDRO PASCAL:
about The Last of Us
is it's a new kind of apocalypse.
And this story of our compulsion to dominate.
CRAIG MAZIN:
And for the first time, you get a sense that they were a team.
And that theme carries through into the fourth episode.
There's an uneasy truce,
but they're not necessarily anything more than,
as he says, cargo.
-ELLIE WILLIAMS: Joel? -Hm?
Did you know diarrhea is hereditary?
What?
Yeah. It runs in your jeans.
Joel secretly loves Ellie's humor.
And her jokes, and her puns.
He pretends he doesn't, but he does.
I think that means a lot to Ellie
that he does actually find it funny.
I don't think she ever worries about annoying him.
She kind of loves it.
-Feel free to wait in the truck. -(ELLIE GROANS)
We decided to deviate a bit from the game.
In the game, they made their way to Pittsburgh.
So, in looking around at possible places,
we landed on Kansas City, because it just felt like
it was a good match for sort of what we had,
and where we were, to shoot in Calgary.
I had an idea about which episodes that I was gonna have to...
get my head around quite early on.
There was a breakdown
of various action sequences in episode four,
and thank God I had such an extraordinary team to help me.
Please help!
Put your seatbelt on.
Aren't we gonna help him?
No.
It's quite a fun day. It's just crashing cars.
It's, you know, why we got into this business.
Ellie witnessed Joel being violent
at the end of the first episode.
And this is a moment where, when they're under attack, Ellie has to trust Joel.
JOEL MILLER: You see that hole?
When I say, "Go," you crawl into that wall,
and you squeeze through, and you don't come out until I say.
MAZIN:
He's gonna take care of her.
But what she encounters very quickly,
is how ugly that violence is.
He is attacked by someone else who is going to kill him.
And Ellie, who has found a gun,
walks out and saves Joel through an act of violence.
And Ellie is confronted by the horror of what she did,
and what she's capable of.
Joel has an opportunity to comfort her... he doesn't.
And you can see how quickly
Ellie just wipes those tears away,
and pretends nothing happened at all,
because she's just like him.
NEIL DRUCKMANN:
"How do we personify this group?"
Because in the game, they were just an obstacle.
How do we give them a face?
And here, it would be interesting if they were more than an obstacle,
they feel like people with a real goal,
and real motivation, and humanity.
So with the character of Kathleen,
we get to see that she's a ruthless leader,
and she clearly has the respect of this group
that managed to take down a quarantine zone.
Find who did this.
Find every collaborator and kill them all.
JEFFREY PIERCE:
playing Tommy was one of the unexpected joys of my career.
So to be a part of that world again
and see it come to life three-dimensionally is really exciting.
Perry and Kathleen, they're new characters.
Kathleen is the leader of the resistance,
and because of Perry's past in the military,
he is willing to follow her lead.
Kathleen is a tough woman. She's a very principled woman.
But she definitely has a dark side.
MAZIN:
being overthrown by a revolutionary force,
history is full of examples where the revolutionary force
is just as bad as what was there before.
And here, in Melanie Lynskey, we have that embodied.
I love humanizing villains.
And so much of
is about people that have to make choices.
ELLIE: Joel!
DRUCKMANN:
really depends on your perspective.