What Elliot page's name was before.
>> I guess we should not say it, cuz maybe that [CROSSTALK] Would violate some
[CROSSTALK] Why is it that when people change their name,
call me this, call me this, I prefer to be called.
>> [CROSSTALK] >> But
it's not even be allowed to acknowledge that you used to have a different name.
>> What do you need to be able to acknowledge that for?
>> [LAUGH] >> How are you suffering?
Where's your home? >> Where's your oppression?
>> Where's your oppression, I love that line.
Let me, O'Lauren, and I hope I'm pronouncing her name correctly.
I don't know how it happened, but the people over at the Hill messed up,
and actually ended up hiring someone who is on the left, and
knows how to defend the left aggressively,
defend disenfranchised groups of people in this country aggressively.
And would you look at that?
It makes the show a lot more interesting when it's not dominated by right
wing talking points.
Now I say that because,
what I'm about to show you is some of the most satisfying content,
especially when it comes to debates involving the transgender community.
There's this big debacle about, the right wing feels aggrieved that they
can't dead name transgender people, which means referring to them by
their previous name, which they obviously don't identify with.
Because it's usually a gendered name, and they don't identify with that gender,
which makes it super traumatic for them.
And the right wing knows that, but they think they're the victims.
And what I love, and what you're about to see in these videos,
is how they're called out on that.
So, let's watch.
>> That person lived as a different person for a long time, decades.
>> And so to say that suddenly we all have to pretend like those decades didn't
exist, and that that person wasn't that person for those decades.
>> You're not [CROSSTALK] Pretend that you just can't-
>> I understand-
>> I just can't say it out loud?
>> No, [CROSSTALK] Why are we pretending like that is what's happening here?
>> It's very simple.
>> This person- >> It's what's happening.
>> There is a trans man now.
>> Elliot Page, that is their name, that is the name that I use,
[CROSSTALK] Absolutely.
>> Exactly, they're dead.
>> That is their dead name, they don't go by that anymore.
They find it dehumanizing or diminishing to that person to be called that.
And that is what it is.
It's not uncommon.
People change their names all the time and
we use the different names that they go by.
>> It happens.
>> If somebody goes, well, who's that?
They used to be X, I would fill them in.
And you can't do that on social media because of this policy.
>> Did you get banned from calling Prince, Prince,
even after he changed his name to Assemble?
>> I mean that's what we are- >> That's the same,
we are comparing apples and vegetables, literally because this is a trans person.
Maybe explaine this.
The name, the dead name, reflects a person, an identity they do not recognize.
They do not recognize.
>> They find it psychologically harmful to be seen in that way.
>> Or maybe Prince tipped you. >> They've moved on.
>> I mean, maybe he felt like being called, [CROSSTALK]
>> All right, [CROSSTALK] Listen,
go ahead, go forth, go forth smartly.
>> Go forth smartly.
>> I love that line too. >> [LAUGH]
>> [LAUGH] That was a great line.
>> So good.
>> I just love to see it because,
[LAUGH] You keep seeing these right wingers on Twitter, like Tim Pool types.
>> Like, no, no one on the left wants to debate me.
And then when strong leftists raise their hands and say, I'll debate you,
bring me on your show, I'll debate you.
They never respond to it.
Cuz they never want to face the kind of power that you saw in that video, right?
Somebody who actually knows what they're talking about,
someone who's actually strong, someone who knows how to make the case and to do so
unapologetically and aggressively.
>> Yeah, so look, the thing that I like the most is,
her calling out how disingenuous they were being.
Like, why, why?
[LAUGH] >> We're the real victims.
>> Yeah, she's like, well, I can explain to you why,
because they're not that person, and they find it offensive that they're.
In fact, then later Kim Iverson put out a tweet, which I think made things worse.
I'm gonna read you a tweet and then explain why she picked the worst example.
She said, the point is whether or not you're allowed to say certain things.
You can call Muhammad Ali Cassius Clay and not be banned from Twitter or
lose your job.
>> Why should trans receive special treatment because they choose to change
their names versus others who choose to change there's?
>> Yeah, you know the trans community notoriously known for special treatment.
>> Yeah, so, first of all, right now,
there aren't a lot of people that are converting from
Christianity to Islam as there was in the 1960s.
And so, Muhammad Ali did it, Kareem Abdul Jabbar did it.
And you know what happened then, people kept calling them in this analogy,
they're dead names.
>> Because why, they wanted to offend them.
>> Right.
>> Because they kept calling Muhammad Ali, Cassius Clay.
>> They did that on purpose thousands of times,
cuz they're like, how dare he not be a Christian anymore?
And the point was to offend them.
And when you dead name trans people, you're trying to offend them.
And then, you pull the move of like,
I don't know why they're taking offense, okay?
Look, you could actually make a perfectly fair point and say, look, I think it
is offensive, I think it's wrong, but I don't think you should get banned for it.
That's my point.
I actually believe that, right?
>> But, don't tell us that you don't get it.
>> They get it.
>> Of course you get it.
You're just trying to be the victim.
>> 100%, I mean, there is nothing more obvious in this day and
age than people who really have nothing to be aggrieved about,
putting themselves in a group of the most aggrieved people in the country, right?
Women have their reproductive rights stripped away from them, and
all you hear from right wingers is, I can't dead name.
People are asking me to be a decent human being.
I don't like it.
The crying is unbearable.
They look down their noses at communities of people who are being brutalized and
persecuted in this country, and
they mock them as if they're not being brutalized and
persecuted, and then they put themselves in the position of being persecuted.
You're not persecuted Kim Iverson, you're not even qualified for the job you have.
And yet here you are, opining on what's happening in politics,
when you're not qualified to do so.
Literally one of the dumbest people I've heard in the news.
It blows my mind that the people over at the hill are like, no,
we really nailed it with her, nailed it.
>> It doesn't matter. >> I mean, look, there's two against
one there, but [INAUDIBLE]- >> And
she got dunked on, hardcore Lee, easy to take on two idiots at once.
>> Okay, so one more thing about Mohammad Ali, reporters would
constantly call him Cassius Clay because, they wanted to offend him.
And, Muhammad Ali would not answer to their questions.
Why, in a sense he was doing what Twitter was doing.
If you're gonna call me the wrong name because you wanna insult my beliefs,
well, then I'm not going to answer you.
I'm gonna act like you don't exist, cuz you're acting like I don't exist, right?
And so, I think Christianity oppressed my people,
that's why I switched to Islam, that's my belief, Muhammad Ali said.
So if you call me by my given Christian name, that is deeply offensive to me.
So, I don't need to be nice to you when you're trying to hurt me.
That is a very fair point, and it actually does apply to the trans community.
And right now, everybody, not just the right wing, every rich person,
every person in the world is like, I'm so tough, I beat up on the most
disadvantaged community, I'm so brave, they have no power to push back at all.
It hasn't hurt me at all.
In fact, it's helped me with all my sales.
[LAUGH] I beat up on trans people for a living.
I don't understand why they're so upset, right?
Now, you're all goddamn grifters, and
you pick on the community that could least defend themselves.
Why, cuz the government in every powerful person is set against them.
Over 600 laws passed by monstrous evil right wingers against the trans community
and the rest of the LGBT community, just over the last couple of years.
Cuz the republicans are deeply immoral.