IT COMES FROM, WHOS PROMOTING
IT.
>> AND MODEL ETHNIC STUDIES IS
NOT CRITICAL RACE THEORY.
YOU SAY THAT DR. IB RAM KENDI,
YOU CALL HIM THE GURU OF
CRITICAL RACE THEORY.
WE REACHED OUT TO HIM BECAUSE
YOU SAY HES THE GURU OF
CRITICAL RACE THEORY.
YOU NAME HIM A LOT IN A LOT OF
YOUR -- BOTH IN YOUR MANIFESTO
OR TALKING POINTS MEMO AND ALSO
IN YOUR VIDEO.
WE ASKED HIM IF HES A CRITICAL
RACE THEORIST.
HE SAID I ADMIRE IT BUT IM NOT
A LEGAL SCHOLAR SO I WASNT
TRAINED ON CRITICAL RACE
HISTORIAN AND CHRIS WOULD KNOW
THIS.
I DIDNT ATTEND LAW SCHOOL,
WHICH IS WHERE CRITICAL RACE
THEORY IS TAUGHT.
ITS REALLY THE ONLY PLACE IT IS
TAUGHT.
NBC HAS LOOKED INTO EVERYWHERE
AND ITS NOT TAUGHT -- THIS IS
THE SECOND THING HE SAID WHICH
IS STRANGE TO ME --
>> JOY, LET ME RESPOND.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION.
>> ONE MOMENT.
>> THIS SHOULD BE A DIALOGUE,
RIGHT?
>> ITS MY SHOW SO ITS HOW I
WANT TO DO IT.
LET ME READ YOU ONE MORE QUOTE
FROM HIM BECAUSE YOUVE MADE A
LOT OF CLAIMS ABOUT CRITICAL
RACE THEORY SAYING THAT WHITE
AMERICANS ARE INHERENTLY RACIST.
THAT RACISM IS INHERENT TO
WHITENESS.
AND THAT IS ONE OF THE CORE
CHARGES THAT YOURE MAKING ABOUT
THESE SORT OF WHAT YOU CONSIDER
WOKE STUDIES IN SCHOOL.
THIS IS WHAT IB RAM KENDI HAS
SAID.
HE SAID WEVE BEEN TAUGHT THAT
RACIST IS ESSENTIAL TO WHO A
PERSON IS.
ITS A FIXED CATEGORY.
ITS IN SOMEONES HEART.
THATS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY
PEOPLE ARE UNWILLING TO OR
UNABLE TO ADMIT THE TIMES IN
WHICH THEYRE BEING RACIST
BECAUSE ITS NOT JUST ADMITTING
I WAS BEING RACIST ON THAT
MOMENT, BASICALLY WERE
TATTOOING RACIST ON OUR FOREHEAD
THE REST OF OUR LIVES.
ISNT THAT THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT
YOURE ARGUING?
>> FIRST OF ALL, ITS VERY
INTERESTING TO ME THAT SO MANY
PEOPLE ARE RUNNING AWAY FROM THE
LABEL OF CRITICAL RACE THEORY.
>> HES NOT A CRITICAL RACE
THEORIST.
>> IM GOING TO QUOTE TWO
CRITICAL RACE THEORIST, BARBARA
APPLEVONG.
SHE SAYS ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE
RACIST.
ROBIN DE ANGELO.
>> SHES NOT.
>> WHITE IDENTITY IS INHERENTLY
RACIST.
>> NO.
>> SO WHAT YOURE DOING IS
PLAYING A SERIES OF WORD GAMES.
>> NEW YORK CITY -- NO, NO.
>> THESE ARE DEEPLY
INTERRELATED.
IM NOT GOING TO LET YOU PLAY
WORD GAMES.
>> HOLD UP.
>> NO, NO, NO, NO.
>> I HAVENT GOTTEN A FULL
ACCEPT
SENTENCE OUT.
>> YOU PROBABLY NEVER WATCH ME
ON TV.
WE DIDNT KNOW WHO EACH OTHER
WERE BUT I DONT ALLOW PEOPLE TO
JUST MAKE UP AND SAY LIES ON THE
SHOW.
ITS JUST NOT REALLY RIGHT TO DO
IT.
BUT HOLD ON.
ROBIN DE ANGELO IS NOT A
CRITICAL RACE THEORIST AND I
WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT.
BUT LETS JUST GO THROUGH A
MINUTE BECAUSE WHITENESS AND
RACIST.
WHERE DID THE TERM WHITENESS
COME FROM?
>> SURE.
I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT
POINT AND I HOPE YOU LET ME GET
A FULL PARAGRAPH OUT ABOUT THIS.
>> GO FOR IT.
>> WHITENESS IS THE IDEA THAT
THERE IS SOME KIND OF META
PHYSICAL CATEGORY IN THE WORLD
THAT ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE
REDUCIBLE TO THIS ESSENCE OF
WHITENESS.
WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY LOAD ALL OF
THESE NEGATIVE CONNOTATIONS.
THEY SAY WHITENESS IS BY
DEFINITION THAT INCLUDES WHITE
FRAGILITY, INCLUDES WHITE
PRIVILEGE, INCLUDES INTERNALIZED
WHITE SUPERIORITY.
THEN WHAT THEY TRY TO DO IS
REPOSE THESE REDUCTIVE RACIAL
CATEGORIES ONTO INDIVIDUALS AND
I AGREE WITH KENDIS APPROACH.
BUT ILL GIVE YOU THREE EXAMPLES
OF CRITICAL RACE THEORY BEING
TAUGHT IN SCHOOLS.
CUPERTINO, CATCH -- IN
CUPERTINO, CALIFORNIA --
>> SIR, CHRIS, THESE ARE IN YOUR
TALKING POINTS AND I KNOW WHAT
YOURE GOING TO SAY BECAUSE YOU
SAID IT WITH MARK LAMONT HILL.
YOU REPEAT THESE SAME THINGS.
THEYRE IN THIS MANIFESTO,
PEOPLE CAN READ IT ONLINE OF THE
ON THE SUBJECT OF WHITENESS ARE
YOU AWARE SINCE YOU SAY THAT
YOURE SORT OF A QUASI-HISTORIAN
IN YOUR THINKING, THAT WHITENESS
WAS ACTUALLY FORMED IN THE
UNITED STATES?
THAT WHITENESS DIDNT EVEN EXIST
AS A THING.
EUROPEANS WERE ALL EUROPEAN.
THEY WERE ITALIAN OR POLISH OR
WHATEVER.
WHEN THE COLONISTS CAME HERE,
THEY CREATED THE IDEA OF
WHITENESS.
THIS IS FROM THE SMITHSONIAN.
>> I AGREE WITH THAT.
>> AS A WAY TO DISTINGUISH
THEMSELVES FROM WHAT THEY CALL
THE SAVAGES, THE NATIVES, AND
FROM BLACK PEOPLE, FROM
AFRICANS.
WHO EVEN IF YOU HAD A LITTLE
AFRICAN IN YOU, IF YOURE
PLESSI, WHO IS 7/8 WHITE, IF YOU
ARE AFRICAN THAT YOU REDUCED IN
RIGHTS.
SO PEOPLE ARE SAYING WHITENESS
HAS ALWAYS HAD POWER.
THERE USED TO BE A SAYING IM
FREE, WHITE AND 18.
IT WAS COMMONLY SAID IN THE
40s, 50s AND 60s.
SO WHITENESS HAS POWER.
PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DECOUPLE
WHITENESS FROM POWER IS WHAT
YOURE ANNOYED BY.
LET ME PLAY A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT
YOU SAID.
>> NO.
>> HOLE HOLD ON.
YOU DID A SPEECH WHERE YOU TALK
ABOUT HOW YOU REALLY FEEL ABOUT
THE ACADEMICS OF IT.
HERE IT IS.
THIS IS CUT -- I THINK THIS
IS -- GO FOR IT.
PLAY IT.
>> IM A WHITE GUY FIGHTING
CRITICAL RACE THEORY.
>> DO YOU IDENTIFY AS WHITE?
>> I MEAN IM AN ITALIAN
AMERICAN SO YOU TELL ME.
LUMPING PEOPLE INTO WHITE,
BLACK, ASIAN AS YOU SUGGESTED IS
SUCH A CRUDE AND BROAD
CATEGORIZATION.
THERES THESE LIKE VERY KIND OF
PATHETIC AND VERY, YOU KNOW,
ANGRY GRADUATE STUDENTS THAT TRY
TO FIGHT ME ON THESE HIGHLY
TECHNICAL HAGGEL
INTERPRETATIONS.
I DONT HAVE TIME FOR THIS.
I DONT GIVE A [ BLEEP ] ABOUT
THIS STUFF.
>> SO YOU DONT GIVE AN S ABOUT
THIS STUFF.
YOURE HAVING A CAMPAIGN TO TAKE
EVERYTHING THAT -- HOLD ON.
YOU WANT TO MAKE A CAMPAIGN AND
STUFF EVERYTHING IN THERE --
>> YOU DONT GIVE ME A CHANCE TO
RESPOND.
>> STUFF IT ALL INTO CRITICAL
RACE THEORY.
>> WHAT I DONT THINK IS RIGHT
IS FORCING 8-YEAR-OLDS TO
DECONSTRUCT THEIR RACE
IDENTITIES IS POWER AND
PRIVILEGE.
ITS INTERSECTIONALITY THEORY
WHICH IS PART OF CRITICAL RACE
THEER ROW.
>> NEW YORK CITY ITS NOT.
>> YOU HAD HER ON YOUR SHOW.
>> SHE INVENTED BOTH THINGS.
>> WHAT YOUVE DONE WITH
TONIGHTS SEGMENT IS WHAT IM
FIGHTING AGAINST.
IM FIGHTING AGAINST THE
MANIPULATION OF LANGUAGE.
>> RIGHT, YOURE FIGHTING
AGAINST WOKENESS AND YOU DONT
LIKE CORPORATE WOKENESS, I GET
IT.
I GET IT.
>> BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU JUST
SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT AND THEN
YOU BACK AWAY FROM IT AND DANCE
AROUND IT AND ITS NOT GOING TO
HAPPEN.
PARENTS ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY,
THEY KNOW WHATS HAPPENING IN
SCHOOLS.
THEY KNOW WHATS HAPPENING IN
PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS AND YOURE
SEEING PEOPLE REVOLT AGAINST
THIS DIVISIVE IDENTITY POLITICS.
YOU CAN DANCE ALL YOU WANT BUT
YOURE NOT GOING TO STOP PEOPLE
FROM UNDERSTANDING WHATS
HAPPENING IN THE CLASSROOMS.
>> I ACTUALLY APPRECIATE THAT
YOU SAID THAT BECAUSE,
CHRISTOPHER, WHAT YOU
BASICALLY -- YOU ADMIT IT
YOURSELF.
THAT YOUVE TAKEN ALL OF THESE
WOKENESS MOMENTS, CORPORATE
WOKENESS, CORPORATE SORT OF WOKE
MONEY, WOKE CAPITAL, THE THINGS
THAT ANNOY CONSERVATIVES, AND
YOUVE STUFFED IT ALL INTO THE
NAME CRITICAL RACE THEORY.
ITS REALLY LIKE CHRISTOPHER
RUFO THEORY.
YOU TWEETED THIS.
>> LISTEN --
>> HOLD ON, HOLD ON, ONE SEC.
IM GOING TO READ YOU TO YOU AND
THEN YOU RESPOND TO IT.
THE ACTIVISTS ARE REALIZING THAT
THEIR IDEAS ONCE PUT INTO
PRACTICE ARE GENERATING
DISCONTENT, WHICH IS AS YOU JUST
DESCRIBED.
>> THATS TRUE.
>> ASIAN-AMERICANS IN PARTICULAR
ARE REVOLTING AGAINST CRT WHICH
IS REALLY CHRISTOPHER RUFO
THEORY BECAUSE YOU MADE IT UP.
THEN YOU SAID WE HAVE
SUCCESSFULLY FROZEN THEIR BRAND
INTO THE PUBLIC CONVERSATION AND
ARE STEADILY DRIVING UP NEGATIVE
PERCEPTIONS.
WE WILL EVENTUALLY TURN IT TOXIC
AS WE PUT ALL THE VARIOUS
CULTURAL INSANITIES UNDER THAT
BRAND CATEGORY.
THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THE PUBLIC
READ SOMETHING CRAZY IN THE
NEWSPAPER AND IMMEDIATELY THINK
CRITICAL RACE THEORY.
WE HAVE DECODIFIED THE TERM.
ARENT YOU JUST TAKING WOKENESS
STUFF THAT ANNOYS YOU AND
CALLING IT CRITICAL RACE THEORY?
>> NO, NOT AT ALL.
THE IDEA OF THE CODIFICATION AND
DECODIFICATION OF LANGUAGE COMES
FROM PALLO FRER.
>> NOW YOURE DOING PEDAGOGY?
>> YES.
TO TAKE THESE TECHNIQUES AND USE
THEM AGAINST THEIR OWN IDEOLOGY.
MY STRATEGY HAS BEEN ENORMOUSLY
SUCCESSFUL.
>> AMONG CONSERVATIVES.
>> 64% OF AMERICANS NOW KNOW
WHAT CRITICAL RACE THEORY IS.
>> NO, THEY KNOW WHAT
CHRISTOPHER RUFO THEORY IS.
>> 58% OF THEM VIEW IT --
>> MY FRIEND, YOU MADE UP YOUR
OWN THING.
YOU ADMITTED YOU WERE GOING TO
DO IT.
ILL GIVE YOU CREDIT FOR ONE
THING.
YOU DID CREATE YOUR OWN THING.
NOT A LOT OF GUYS IN THEIR 30s
HAVE CREATED THEIR OWN THING,
LABELED IT SOMETHING THAT
ALREADY EXISTED AS A NAME,
SLAPPED THAT BRAND NAME ON IT
AND TURNED IT INTO A SUCCESSFUL
POLITICAL STRATEGY.
YOUVE DONE THAT.
ITS CREATING A LOT OF HELL AT
SCHOOL BOARD MEETINGS.
>> WELL, JOY, I APPRECIATE IT
AND ILL GIVE YOU THE POSITION
AS THE MOST PRESTIGIOUS
CHRISTOPHER RUFO THEORY SCHOLAR
IN THE WORLD.
NEXT TIME GIVE ME A CHANCE TO
COMPLETE TWO SENTENCES.
>> NOT IF YOURE GOING TO DO