EXECUTIVES AT
GOOGLE MADE THE DECISION TO FIRE AN ENGINEER WHO
WROTE A MEMO, QUESTIONING WOMEN IN TECH.
NOW, I TAKE ISSUE WITH THE WAY THAT THIS STORY HAS BEEN
REPORTED IN THE NEWS, AND I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT EVERYONE
ACTUALLY READ THE MEMO THAT HAS BEEN CONTROVERSIAL, BECAUSE
YOU MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE THAN WHAT THE
MEDIA IS TELLING YOU.
BUT I DO HAVE THE RELEVANT PORTIONS OF THAT MEMO FOR YOU,
AND THEN WE WILL HAVE A DISCUSSION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT
HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN FIRED.
THE ENGINEER IS JAMES DAMORE -
THERE HE IS ñ AND AGAIN, HE IS THE ONE WHO PUT OUT THIS
MEMO INTERNALLY, AND GET FIRED AS A RESULT.
THE MEMO DID GO VIRAL, AND IT SPECIFICALLY HAD TO DO WITH
DIVERSIFYING THE WORKPLACE, AND TRYING TO BE MORE INCLUSIVE
OF WOMEN IN TECH.
THE MEMO, CALLED GOOGLE'S IDEOLOGICAL ECHO CHAMBER, RELIED
ON CERTAIN GENDER STEREOTYPES ñ LIKE THE NOTION THAT WOMEN ARE
LESS INTERESTED IN HIGH STRESS JOBS BECAUSE THEY ARE MORE
ANXIOUS ñ TO RATIONALIZE THE GENDER GAP IN THE TECH INDUSTRY.
SO, LOOK, THAT IS ñ I'M GOING TO KEEP IT REAL, THERE IS
RESEARCH INDICATING THAT WOMEN ON AVERAGE SUFFER FROM ANXIETY
MORE THAN MEN DO, AND IT'S BECAUSE OF HORMONAL DIFFERENCES.
I CONSIDER MYSELF SOMEONE WHO IS IN FAVOR OF EQUALITY, SOMEONE
WHO WAS IN FAVOR OF DIVERSITY IN THE WORKPLACE, BUT I DON'T
BELIEVE THAT IS NECESSARILY A STEREOTYPE, BECAUSE THERE IS
SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE TO BACK THAT UP; HOWEVER ñ WE'LL HAVE A
DEBATE ABOUT THAT IN JUST A 2ND.
LET ME GIVE YOU MORE OF WHAT HE WROTE.
HE WROTE THAT, "OPEN ESTIMATED TOWARD FEELINGS AND STATICS
RATHER THAN IDEAS.
WOMEN GENERALLY HAVE A STRONGER INTEREST IN -- "
SO, HE LISTS THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN, AND
HE DOES SAY THROUGHOUT THE MEMO, THESE ARE GENERALIZATIONS,
SO IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT EVERY WOMAN IS LIKE THIS, BUT
GENERALLY SPEAKING, HERE ARE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN MEN AND
WOMEN, AND IT IS PLAYING A ROLE IN THE GENDER GAP BETWEEN
MEN AND WOMEN IN DETECT INDUSTRY.
LATER ON IN HIS MEMO, HE DESCRIBED WHAT COULD BE DONE TO
MITIGATE THE DIFFERENCES, SO YOU CAN BE MORE INCLUSIVE OF WOMEN,
BUT AGAIN, HE SAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, WOMEN ARE MORE INTERESTED
IN THE AESTHETICS, AND BEING PEOPLE PLEASERS.
THAT, I THINK IS A STEREOTYPE, BUT WE WILL CONTINUE.
HE SAYS THAT WOMEN ARE DIFFERENT FROM MEN IN THAT THEY BELIEVE IN
EXTRAVERSION EXPRESSED AS GREGARIOUSNESS , RATHER THAN
ASSERTIVENESS.
ALSO, HIGHER AGREEABLENESS.
LOOK, LOOK, WE ARE GOING TO THE WORST PARTS HERE BECAUSE I
THINK THAT IS A LOAD OF CRAP, I THINK THAT WAS THE WORST
PART OF HIS MEMO.
I THINK THE MEMO WAS MORE INTERESTING THAT PEOPLE ARE
LETTING ON.
I LIKE THE MEDIA TELLING ME WHAT I SHOULD THINK ABOUT IT.
I READ THE ORIGINAL MEMO, AND I READ IT WITH AN OPEN MIND
BECAUSE I WANTED TO SEE WHERE HE WAS COMING FROM.
THE WAY THE MEDIA IS COVERING IT MAKES IT SEEM AS THOUGH IT
WAS THIS MEMO THAT IS JUST INSULTING WOMEN, AND MAKING
THEM OUT TO BE BIOLOGICALLY OR GENETICALLY INFERIOR TO MEN.
THERE ARE SOME GENERALIZATIONS THAT I DISAGREE WITH;
HOWEVER, HE IS TRYING TO SHOW THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENCES
BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN, AND IF WE WANT TO BE MORE INCLUSIVE
OF WOMEN IN THE WORKPLACE, HERE ARE SOME THINGS WE CAN CONSIDER.
IT WASN'T THIS MEMO WHERE HE WAS LIKE, WOMEN SUCK, I WANT
THEM IN THE TECH INDUSTRY, AND THAT IS THE WAY THE MEDIA
IS REPORTING IT, AND ADVOCATES UNFAIR.
I'M MORE MIXED ON IT THEN YOU ARE.
MANY FIRST TALK ABOUT THE POSITIVES.
HE TALKS ABOUT LEFT-WING BIAS, BUT HE ALSO TALKS ABOUT
RIGHT-WING BIAS.
HE IS NOT AN UNSOPHISTICATED THINKER, RIGHT?
SO WITHOUT A KNUCKLEHEAD ONLINE GOING, MEN HAVE IT SO BAD, YOU
KNOW, JUST ñ
NON-INTELLECTUAL ARGUMENTS, THAT ARE STEREOTYPES, ETC.
AND SOMETIMES HE CITES STATS, LIKE, MEN, BY THE WAY, SUFFER
90% OF WORK-RELATED DEATHS, SO THEY ARE PICKING JOBS THAT
ARE IN SOME WAYS, CERTAINLY DIFFERENT THAN WOMEN.
THAT IS AN INTERESTING POINT, AND THAT IS A STATISTIC,
YOU CAN INTERPRET IT IN DIFFERENT WAYS BUT YOU
DON'T FIRE SOMEONE FOR CITING A STAT.
HE SAYS THINGS LIKE, FEMINISM HAS MADE GREAT PROGRESS IN
FERRYING WOMEN FROM THE GENDER ROLE, BUT MEN ARE STILL
VERY MUCH TIED TO THE GENDER ROLE.
IF WE ALLOW MEN TO BE MORE FEMININE THAN THE GENDER
GAP WILL SHRINK.
THAT'S ANOTHER INTERESTING POINT.
HERE'S ANOTHER INTERESTING POINT FROM ONE OF HIS FOOTNOTES.
MEN ARE RESPONDED TO BE STRONG AND DEAL WITH PROBLEMS ON
THEIR OWN.
MEN'S PROBLEMS ARE OFTEN SEEN AS PERSONAL FAILINGS, RATHER
THAN VICTIMHOOD.
THIS DISCOURAGES MEN FROM BRINGING ATTENTION TO THEIR
ISSUES.
PERFECTLY FINE POINT, OKAY?
SO, IT'S AN INTERESTING MEMO, IN THOSE REGARDS, BUT, I THINK THAT
WHEN HE GETS INTO THE SO-CALLED BIOLOGICAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN
MEN AND WOMEN, THAT'S WHERE I THINK HE TOTALLY GOES OFF
THE RAILS.
SO, IT'S ONE THING TO CITE THE STAT ABOUT WORK-RELATED DEATHS,
THAT'S A PERFECTLY FINE STAT, AND MAKES SENSE, AND IT'S
AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION TO HAVE AROUND THAT STAT.
WHY ARE MEN USING CERTAIN JOBS?
AND WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS ON THE SHOW, THE $.77 THAT WOMEN
MAKE ON THE DOLLAR FOR MEN IS NOT FOR THE SAME JOB, THERE ARE
A TON OF FACTORS THAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT HOLISTICALLY, BUT
WHEN HE STARTS GETTING INTO THINGS LIKE, WOMEN LIKE
THINGS AND GUYS LIKE IDEAS.
THAT IS NOT BACKED BY OVERWHELMING RESEARCH.
YOU CAN'T GENERALIZE LIKE THAT, BASED ON WEAK SAUCE.
THERE WAS ONE STUDY I KIND OF THOUGHT THAT THAT.
THAT IS NOT A CONCLUSION YOU CAN REACH.
BUT WE JUMP IN, BECAUSE, THE THING IS, YOU ARE RIGHT, HE
MAKES GOOD POINTS THAT I THINK SHOULD HAVE LED TO A
DISCUSSION WITHIN THE COMPANY, AS OPPOSED TO GOOGLE
FREAKING OUT, AND THEN IMMEDIATELY FIRING HIM
BECAUSE THEY GOT A LITTLE BUT OF CRITICISM, RIGHT?
HOWEVER, I DO AGREE WITH YOU THAT THERE WERE GENERALIZATIONS
THERE THAT ARE NOT BACKED UP BY EVIDENCE; THERE WERE POINTS MADE
ABOUT THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN THAT ARE BACKED BY
EVIDENCE, THE ANXIETY POINT BEING ONE OF THEM.
HERE IS ONE THING THAT I CAN REALLY DISAGREE WITH.
SO, HIS ARGUMENT IS, WELL, MEN ARE JUST MORE ASSERTIVE
THAN WOMEN, WHICH IS WHY THEY ARE MORE LIKELY TO GET PAID
MORE, THEY ARE MORE LIKELY TO GET HIRED FOR THESE
POSITIONS, AND LOOK, THAT IS NOT A BIOLOGICAL DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN.
THAT IS A SOCIAL CONDITIONING ISSUE, BECAUSE WHEN A WOMAN IS
ASSERTIVE, WHEN A WOMAN IS STRONG, WHEN A WOMAN IS
AGGRESSIVE, THE WAY SOCIETY TREATS HER IS VERY DIFFERENT
FROM THE WAY SOCIETY TREATS A MAN WHO IS JUST AS
AGGRESSIVE OR ASSERTIVE.
AND SO, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS AN ISSUE AS WELL.
AND BY THE WAY, I'M NOT DENYING AT ALL THAT THERE IS AN
ISSUE WITH SEXISM IN THE TECH INDUSTRY, I ACTUALLY
EXPERIENCED IT FIRSTHAND WHEN I MODERATED A PANEL AT A
CONFERENCE CALLED COLLISION, IN NEW ORLEANS.
I HAD TO MODERATE A PANEL WITH TWO SILICON VALLEY CEOS, AND
THEY WERE HORRENDOUS TO ME, ON STAGE; WOULD NOT LET ME
SPEAK, INSULTED ME IN FRONT OF A CROWD OF PEOPLE, AND I
CANNOT BELIEVE THE WAY THAT THEY TREATED ME THERE.
SO I'M NOT GOING TO DENY THAT THERE IS AN ISSUE, BUT WHAT
I WANT IS A DIALOGUE, AND UNFORTUNATELY WHEN YOU
IMMEDIATELY FIRE HIM, AND DON'T HAVE THAT DIALOGUE, I DON'T
BELIEVE THAT LEADS TO REAL PROGRESS.
DON'T GET ME WRONG, HE IS NOT A MODERATE, HE IS DEFINITELY
ON THE CONSERVATIVE END OF THE SPECTRUM.
HE CALLS HIMSELF A CLASSIC LIBERAL, WHICH MEANS
CONSERVATIVE, THAT IS AN EXCUSE PEOPLE USE.
HE'S, IN ESSENCE SAYING WOMEN ARE PERCEIVED TO BE WEAK,
AND NEED TO BE PROTECTED, HENCE WE DO ALL THESE DIVERSITY
PROGRAMS FOR THEM, ETC.,
AND ALL THAT IS AS POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.
WHAT COULD BE THAT THEY HAVE BEEN HISTORICALLY DISADVANTAGED.
NOW, THAT IS CONTEXT, AND IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING
DISCUSSED AND DEBATED AS TO HOW TO ADDRESS THAT.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WHY DID WE DO CIVIL RIGHTS AND
AFFIRMATIVE ACTION IN THE FIRST PLACE?
BECAUSE WHITES HAD ALMOST ALL THE JOBS, AND
UNDERSTANDABLY THEY WOULD WANT TO GIVE IT TO THEIR KIDS.
SO YOU ARE A LONGSHOREMAN, AND YOU WANT TO GIVE IT TO YOUR KID.
IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THAT LET BLACKS HAVE A JOB BECAUSE YOU
WANT TO GIVE IT TO YOUR KIDS.
AND THEN YOU CAN SAY, YOU ARE LETTING MY KID HAS A JOB,
YOU ARE IS COMMITTING AGAINST ME.
NO, THERE HAS BEEN HISTORICAL DISCRIMINATION, AND THERE
HAS BEEN AGAINST WOMEN AS WELL.
SO I DON'T AGREE WITH HIS FRAMING, AND HE TALKS ABOUT HOW
SAFE SPACES CREATE A PSYCHOLOGICALLY UNSAFE
ENVIRONMENT FOR MEN.
SO, OKAY, THAT'S FASCINATING.
AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING THE GUY IS A MONSTER, BUT IF I'M THE BOSS I
HAVE TO SAY, HEY LISTEN, IF YOU WANT IS NOT A CONVERSATION ABOUT
THE DISPARITIES THAT COULD LEAD TO A DIFFERENT PAY SCALE, AND
HAVE A CONVERSATION AROUND WHAT JOBS WOMEN SEEK, ETC.,
THAT IS AN INTERESTING, INTELLECTUAL DEBATE, AND
I'M NOT ONE TO FIRE YOU OVER THAT, EVEN IF IT'S AGAINST
OUR COMPANY POLICIES, ETC.
BUT WHEN YOU IMPLY THAT WOMEN ARE WEAK, AND ANA, YOU
KNOW, THERE IS A TINY BIT OF RESEARCH ON THE ANXIETY
THING, IT IS NOT CONCLUSIVE, SO I DON'T AGREE WITH YOU
THERE, AND THE WAY HE FRAMED IT IS EVEN WORSE.
HE SAYS, NEUROTICISM AMONG WOMEN.
SO, NOW, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?
IF WE SAY THAT IS AN OKAY THING TO SAY, NOW AT A MEETING,
WHEN A WOMAN SAYS SOMETHING, AND WE HAVEN'T TAKEN ANY ACTION
ON THIS, THEN, OKAY, ARE PEOPLE WONDERING, IS IT BECAUSE
SHE'S NEUROTIC?
IS IT BECAUSE SHE'S WEAK?
OR IS SHE JUST BEING AGREEABLE?
RIGHT?
I KNOW, BUT HERE'S THE THING, I THINK UNFORTUNATELY THE WAY THAT
COMPANIES REACT TO THESE TYPES OF MEMOS, OR THESE TYPES OF
COMMENTS, AND NOT BEING COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.
BECAUSE I AGREE WITH YOU, THERE WERE THINGS WRITTEN THERE THAT I
DISAGREE WITH, BUT I MUCH MORE INTERESTED IN HAVING A
CONVERSATION ABOUT IT, THAN GET HIM OUT OF THAT CONVERSATION,
THEN PRETENDING LIKE THAT TYPE OF IDEOLOGY DOESN'T EXIST,
BECAUSE IT DOES EXIST, AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WORKING AT
SCHOOL RIGHT NOW WHO COMPLETE THE AGREE WITH THAT MEMO.
IF THEY THINK THAT PROBLEM IS NOW GONE BECAUSE THEY FIRED
HIM, THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY WRONG.
AND BY THE WAY, I LOOKED INTO THE ANXIETY THING, BECAUSE
I WANT TO ACCEPT IT, I'M A WOMAN, I DON'T WANT TO
ACCEPT THAT I'M MORE LIKELY TO SUFFER ANXIETY COMPARED TO MEN.
BUT IT WAS NOT JUST SOME MAYBE RANDOM STUDY, IT WAS A
STUDY DONE BY A RESEARCHER AT THE UNIVERSITY OF
CAMBRIDGE; THEY FOUND, THROUGH THEIR RESEARCH, THAT WOMEN
ARE PLACE AS LIKELY TO SUFFER FROM ANXIETY, AND IT IS
SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF HORMONAL DIFFERENCES.
BUT IS JUST ONE STUDY, ANA, AND I'M NOT DISMISSING THE
STUDY, BUT YOU CANNOT DRAW BACK INTO CONCLUSIONS, AND THEN
BASE YOUR HIRING DECISIONS, OR ARGUE THAT YOUR HIRING
DECISIONS SHOULD BE BASED ON JUST ONE STUDY.
I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S WHY IT'S
IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION.
I KNOW, LOOK, BUT IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
I ARGUE THAT RUSH LIMBAUGH SHOULD NOT BE FIRED WHEN HE
SAID OUTRAGEOUS THINGS.
I ARGUED EXACTLY, BRING THEM IN, LET'S HAVE A CONVERSATION.
WHETHER IT'S THE RIGHT OR THE LEFT.
AL SHARPTON, I DISAGREE WITH HIM PLENTY, I DON'T THINK HE
SHOULD HAVE BEEN FIRED.
BUT THEY ARE NOT DOING TALK SHOWS, WHICH IS THE WHOLE
POINT OF A TALKSHOW, IS TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
THE WHOLE POINT OF MEDIA IS, I THINK, TO HAVE THESE
DISCUSSIONS.
WE AGREE THAT CONSERVATIVE SPEAKERS SHOULD COME ON
COLLEGE CAMPUSES, THAT IS AN AREA WHERE WE ARE OPEN TO
HAVING A CONVERSATION.
THIS IS DIFFERENT, THIS IS A PRIVATE WORK ENVIRONMENT
WHERE IT IS SUPER IMPORTANT FOR THEM TO BE ABOUT TO ATTRACT
TOP LEVEL TALENT, WHO ARE BOTH MALES AND FEMALES.
IF YOU DON'T TAKE ACTION ON THIS GUY ñ
NOW, LET'S THINK ABOUT IT THIS WAY: LET'S SAY IT'S NOT MEN
AND WOMEN, BUT HE WROTE THE SAME MEMO ABOUT WHITES AND BLACKS,
AND HE SAID I HAVE THE EVIDENCE THAT BLACKS ARE MORE EROTIC.
HE DID NOT SAY THAT, SO I'M NOT TRY TO HAVE YOU HOLD THAT
AGAINST HIM, I'M JUST GIVING YOU AN ANALOGY FOR WHAT WOULD
YOU DO IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE?
NOW, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN ARE MORE SIGNIFICANT
BETWEEN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RACES, SO I'M NOT IMPUGNING IT
ON HIM, BUT IF YOU WROTE THAT MEMO, YOU KNOW YOU HAVE TO
FIRE HIM, RIGHT?
YES, OKAY, BUT, THERE ARE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN MEN AND
WOMEN, RIGHT?
THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT BENEFITS THAT WOMEN HAVE, YOU KNOW,
AND THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT BENEFITS THAT MEN HAVE.
SO, FOR INSTANCE, WHEN IT COMES TO IQ, ANYONE COMES YOU AND SAYS
THAT MEN HAVE BETTER IQ, NO.
IN TERMS OF THE GENERAL INTELLIGENCE FACTOR, WE ARE THE
SAME.
BUT THERE ARE DIFFERENCES.
SO, WHEN IT COMES TO SPATIAL REASONING, MULTIPLE STUDIES
HAVE INDICATED THAT MEN ARE BETTER WITH SPECIAL
REASONING, BUT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT WOMEN ARE
ACTUALLY STRONGER THAN MEN ON.
AND SO, LOOK, I THINK THAT WE ACTUALLY DO A DISSERVICE WILL BE
PRESENT LIKE, MEN AND WOMEN ARE COMPLETELY THE SAME.
THERE ARE DIFFERENCES, AND IF WE WERE TO HAVE A GENUINE
CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW TO IMPROVE THE WORKPLACE OF THAT
THERE IS EQUALITY, WE NEED TO KEEP THOSE DIFFERENCES IN MIND.
THAT IS NOT TO SAY THAT WOMEN OR MEN ARE LESS THAN, BUT WE HAVE
STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES THAT WE SHOULD CELEBRATE AND TALK ABOUT,
AND UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T TALK ABOUT IT, AND I THINK IT IS A
DISSERVICE, AND IF YOU GUESS THE REASON WHY COMPANIES LIKE GOOGLE
HAVE NOT SOLVED THEIR EQUALITY ISSUE.
IT'S DIFFERENT SITUATIONS.
THAT COMPOSITION SHOULD BE HAD HERE, IT SHOULD BE HAD ON
CONSERVATIVE TALK SHOWS, IT SHOULD BE HAD ON, YOU KNOW,
ON TV AND COLLEGE CAMPUSES, ETC.,
BUT GOOGLE IS A PRIVATE COMPANY, AND THEY HAVE AN ENORMOUS
NUMBER OF WOMEN WORKING THERE, WHO NOW FEEL LIKE THEY ARE
GOING TO BE JUDGED AT EVERY MEETING, IF THIS IS
CONSIDERED WITHIN THE ACCEPTABLE IDEAS.
NOT BECAUSE OF POLITICS, BUT BECAUSE THIS GUY IS SAYING THAT
WOMEN ARE BIOLOGICALLY NOT RIGHT FOR THESE JOBS, AND IF YOU
SAY, YET ACCEPTABLE, THAT'S TOTALLY FINE, THEN WHAT
HAVE YOU TOLD THOSE WOMEN?
AND EVEN IF YOU THINK THAT IS AN OKAY IDEA, WELL, WHAT HAVE
YOU DONE TO 40% OF THE WORKFORCE?
OR WHATEVER IT IS.
AND BY THE WAY, IF YOU ARE RUNNING A COMPANY, HOW
ABOUT YOUR CLIENTS, YOUR CUSTOMERS?
WHO ARE 50% WOMEN.
YOU HAVE TO TAKE THOSE THINGS INTO ACCOUNT.
LET ME BE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR, I DO NOT AGREE THAT WOMEN ARE NOT FIT
FOR THOSE JOBS, SO FOR ANYONE WHO MIGHT THINK THAT, I WANT TO
MAKE SURE I CLARIFY THAT, AND I GET YOUR POINT; THERE SHOULD BE
SOME CONSEQUENCE, ESPECIALLY IF IT IS DISCOURAGING WOMEN IN
THE WORKPLACE, IF THEY FEEL LIKE THEY ARE BEING JUDGED, OF
COURSE, BUT IMMEDIATELY GOING TO FIRING HIM, I THINK IT GOES
TOO FAR.
YES, IF YOU WANT TO SUSPEND HIM MAYBE, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME,
BUT I DON'T THINK WHAT HE WROTE WAS MEANT TO LIKE, DESTROY WOMEN
IN THE WORKPLACE.
I JUST THINK THAT IT'S BEING PAINTED THAT WAY, AND
UNFORTUNATELY BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT'S BEEN HANDLED, I DON'T THINK
THAT AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION THAT SHOULD HAPPEN
INTERNALLY IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
WE CAN AGREE ON THIS: IN AN IDEAL WORLD, IF I'M THE
CEO, I PULLED HIM IN, AND I HAVE FEMALE EXECUTIVES THERE AS
WELL, AND WE HAVE A CONVERSATION, AND WE GO, HE
LET ME UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO SAY, AND DRILL
DOWN, WHAT RESEARCH ARE YOU BASING THIS ON?
AND CAN YOU SEE HOW CALLING WOMEN ñ IT APPEARS THAT YOU ARE
CALLING WOMEN NEUROTIC IN GENERAL, AND THAT THAT IS
SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD REASONABLY TAKE OFFENSE AT.
YOU ARE ASKING FOR A PSYCHOLOGICAL SAFE SPACE FOR
MEN, BUT LOOK AT WHAT YOU JUST DID TO ALL THE WOMEN WHO WORK AT
GOOGLE.
WHATEVER CONVERSATION, AND MAYBE HE'S GOT GREAT ANSWERS, AND
THEN YOU GLAD YOU DO THAT BE IN FRONT OF ALL OF GOOGLE.
BUT IF HE DOESN'T HAVE GREAT ANSWERS, I THINK YOU'VE GOT
TO TAKE ACTION.
THAT'S FAIR, I AGREE WITH THAT.