I mean I used to make this mistake myself a lot it's just that my sensei said to me what
are you doing on the dates he said boring boring you're just like every other fucking guy she goes
out with so anyways that was a little bit tough on my ego at the time but I learned from it and
yeah I'm not as dull when I got on dates that's for sure like I was when I first came here
Привет and welcome to Kyiv on an absolutely splendid late July's evening and in today's vodka vodkast
with me Conor Clyne I'm going to be diving into a topic that really makes me passionate actually
infuriates me that is the difference between a real man and a beta buck here in Eastern Europe
in particular in Ukraine but also obviously in Russia and Belarus and Western guys come here
to date the beautiful women of Eastern Europe and I'm gonna go into five things a beta buck
bucks do here that they should not be doing they should be that real man now I have done a primer
on what a real man is I'll link it up above in the card down below in the description and the genesis
to today's vodkast is actually I have a consulting client who I'm coaching over a longer period a
couple of months and previously he had come here to Ukraine and actually used some matchmakers now
he is a genxer I would say he's pretty good looking and well obviously he was able to
afford to pay these matchmakers so he's not exactly penniless or something but you know they
actually did him so much harm that I've actually had to spend a good bit of time coaching it back
out of them because they'd set the frame so badly and they had set them up for many of these
different beta buck traits now beta buck is obviously not what you want to be you want to
be more of a I guess the normal dichotomy is alpha versus beta is not a great way to describe things
a lot of controversy about whether there's even such thing as an alpha male anyways we weren't going to
go into that in today's video definitely the mindset that you need is that real man mindset
and beta buck as we're going to describe it today is making the mistakes that do not correspond
to being a real man so I really really really want to help you avoid these mistakes because
they are propagated as being the way to go when you come here by many of these
matchmakers or marriage agencies now I'm not talking the ones that are complete scams even
I mean they just basically rob their clients the scammy ones but they're even ones where they try
to help the guys to a certain extent and but the problem is the whole frame I think the guys
who run it they are guys sometimes it's women they actually are basically maybe partly beta
bucks themselves and they don't even realize the harm that they're doing with the frame
that they're setting up so you want to be in my opinion maximizing your potential when you come
here to Eastern Europe because we have I guess beauty arbitrage to a certain extent international
beauty arbitrage by moving and spending lots of time here in Eastern Europe but if you're
going to be a beta buck then you're not going to reach your potential and actually even
when I look at it the matchmakers matchmaking can be useful I mean it also exists in the West
and exists to say I guess in other cultures because it's a you know allowing connection
making that connection between two people and even you could say like tinder is kind of like
a matchmaker in a certain very poor one of course in terms of success in terms of percentage so in
my opinion I don't really see them as adding any particular extra value than they would for you
than if they were actually in the West right so matchmakers can of course help people I mean
they help connect people they can help maybe a little bit with coaching but only really helping a
specific person who is struggling to meet a match that they're happy with so that could be here for
example like single moms over 30. They are going to struggle on the local dating market because
they're not considered high value it doesn't mean that they're bad people it's just that that's not
what guys in general are looking for especially the high status guys so they go for this kind
of arbitrage by maybe going to matchmaker meaning a foreign man right a certain type of foreign man
normally a bit older and that can work of course whilst us guys well at least you probably
are coming to Eastern Europe because you're trying to exploit the beauty arbitrage because they're a
lot more beautiful women here right so it can help certain person like person is introverted of
course and does or maybe lazy doesn't want to do any work and you know if you have a big value
gap then maybe it's going to work anyways I've ranted on way too long about that point about the
matchmakers that's just to set the stage what the you know the genesis for the idea of today's
video is listen the mistakes I'm about to go into the five mistakes these are mistakes just you
know either I made them a lot or made them just a little bit that I also made when I came here over
10 years ago so I want to make sure that you start off with the right mindset so let's dive into
how not to be a beta buck here so the first beta buck trait is pedestalizing women now
what does that mean I mean putting them up on a pedestal raising them up as they
are these perfect creatures and you are this kind of like mere mortal low-value male
you know begging for their attention and their validation right so basically you put the value
you set up the frame as the value that's what beta bucks do and it's just creating the perception
of them being low value doesn't mean it actually corresponds she might actually might not be that high
volume as an individual or even on the local daily market but if you are a beta buck especially
when it comes from the West because women are on average better looking here they suddenly see
okay back to use that scale of one to them maybe back in their hometown they're used to being with
a five and now a five in Kyiv is going to be like a seven to them so they start to worship them
and pedestalizing I mean that's obviously a very dramatic example given in a lot of other videos
so to give you a more concrete example that I used to do and there's a particular reason for this and I see
it also in my country coaching client a little bit is for example a lot of guys if they come here
they maybe want to meet a woman that they've been speaking to online or maybe they met
another trip here and she lives in a small town maybe five hours we'll say from Kyiv now for someone
adventurous like me actually going to that small town would be interesting right just to go
down there but the problem is perception that can if you go to let's just take a
Pavlohrad it's actually in Dnipropetrovsk Oblast for example like I wouldn't have any problem going there I'd
actually find the interesting round for the day but you know for a girl from there to think that
a guy who comes from America for example is going to come all the way to Pavlohrad just to see her
like he has nothing else to do like she is so important that he has to go all the way there
it's going to be interpreted as pedestalizing so that's maybe an example that's not so
obvious right and these are the mistakes I used to make because I used to go to these small towns
maybe I met a girl from there's oh cool I'll go there now sometimes it obviously worked out
right and I actually always had something else to do there like you know I wanted to see the town
but I would be simpler in that situation probably say hey come up to Kyiv you know I'll take care
of that in terms of well we'll do interesting things together whatever set up a better frame
and not make it about that you're kind of like she is the big prize basically and that you need to go
all the way out there women like to look up to men biologically in general so if it looks like
she's above you and looking down it's unlikely to work it's again about perception you want to have
it maybe that you know she's the one I'm going to get into about investing also later in the in
the video they want to make it something that she is going to think that you are slightly above her
that's just for better words how it works and I think that's just universal in general but
as with everything here in Eastern Europe it's more raw and more extreme than in the West so
that's a nice segue into beta buck trait number two which is trying to impress the girl and basically
trying to basically in effect qualifying himself all the time to the woman now the classic thing
that a lot of the scammy agencies do whether it's dating or whatnot or even some of the genuine
ones who just don't know any better is they get the guy to show up on a first date with flowers
he's trying so hard to impress he goes out and spends 50 100 US dollars on flowers here in Ukraine
I have another video on what is a good idea to buy flowers on a date or not again link it up
above in on a card there are down below in the description but basically that is something that's
given us advice my own coaching client said yeah I was showing up all these flowers and man
that just looked like you were trying to impress her so much right you don't know this woman you've
never met her before maybe had a little bit of a cursory you know exchange in between
you know you agreeing to the date and then showing up because there was a range but in general
if you're trying so hard to impress someone it looks like you're lower value so again it's not
going it's not it's not going to end up in a situation where she's pedestalizing you
if you're trying too hard it's basically going to end up that the perception is that you're
pedestalizing her so don't try too hard that's beta buck number two and that's basically because well
the reason that you're trying so hard at least that's the inference is because you
don't have so many other options men who don't have very many options are seen as lower value
by women it's called pre-selection men who have a lot of options have abundance and men who have
less options have scarcity and scarcity means that they try to invest they try really really
hard to impress because they see there's a huge opportunity and guys of abundance are
busy like yeah whatever there's another girl come around five minutes later why would I why would I
try so hard it's all about perception remember so the third beta buck trait is of course not
leading big huge one here in Eastern Europe I mean if you're asking questions to a girl unless it's
very very far into the relationship like what would you like to eat what would you like to
do finished over beta buck 100% here in Eastern Europe I have it in the real man mindset video
definitely go and check that one out after this if you don't understand what I'm talking about main
lead you have you're the you're the man with the plan when you show up here every step of the way
and you lead and direct it that doesn't mean you have to be a complete asshole and rude all
the time but you definitely have to be assertive and leading the direction and you can of course
you know tailor that to how the mood is going and also of course you know her preferences but you
definitely have to be the one in the driving seat behind the wheel leading the direction that any sort
of interaction is going but that is one of the hardest things for me to coach out of Western guys
is to get them to lead and a lot of they watch the videos on youtube before they become a client
and I'm always amazed that then I look and say their messages and like why are you writing this
why are you asking her questions still don't you understand didn't you watch my videos that are for
free here on youtube but yeah sometimes it needs that personal coaching of course in person
to actually make you execute it properly so definitely that is a very important one
to avoid so the fourth beta buck trait here in Eastern Europe by Western guys is their boring as as
dull as dishwater we say in English at least in Ireland and in the UK most guys are very predictable
unfortunately those guys I always like to say it's 97 or 95% of guys think the same way anyways it's
close to 100 of us and that makes it very boring as a girl oh here's another guy trying
to get into my pants doing x y and z he goes on three dates he impresses me with maybe even sending
flowers or whatnot and yeah it's just a little bit not challenging and it doesn't display again high
value so being boring doing what everyone else does on a date you know I've seen friends who's
actually my sensei who taught me right back you know in the beginning not right at the beginning
maybe about four or five years after I started coming to Eastern Europe he you know once he
just took a girl out they had met and he put on his he put on some Latin music on his phone
and started dancing with her on the street and he made and then they walked off somewhere else I
don't know he just made it sound so much more fun right of course the girl was first of all very
interested in him so as kind of cool she was excited she had a lot of emotions going on because you
know sitting down predictable now we go for a date now we go for dinner it's like every other
day she's had so doing something like that I mean that's a little bit more spontaneous and
creative on the spot I think was also raining as well when he did as he mentioned he went dancing
some of the rain with her and I've actually seen him do something else in St Petersburg it was
pretty amazing we were actually at a bar and he did the dancing thing again it's actually
probably a good tip learn how to dance this is nothing about being a beta buck
or obviously a real man but he yeah she was remember we were there in a bar in St Petersburg
there was three girls and he started talking to one who was very standoffish and basically
he talked to her just a little bit 30 seconds then started playing some music started dancing with her
and this girl started to cry she started to cry with so much emotion because it was something so
different that she experienced and he managed to I guess stimulate all those emotions I'm not sure
if they were all positive maybe some negative ones were going on there because she started to cry but
her friends were shocked absolutely shocked because they never seen their friend I reacted
uh that way to a guy in the interaction so anyways that's a short little tip don't be boring don't be
like all the other guys saying the same thing blah blah blah blah blah blah so I mean I used to make
this mistake myself a lot it's just that my sensei said to me what are you doing on the dates he said
boring boring you're just like every other fucking guy she goes out with so anyways that was a little
bit tough on my ego at the time but I learned from it and yeah I'm not as dull when I go out on
dates that's for sure like I was when I first came here so last one is basically a little bit
of a corollary of what I've said earlier on it's like over investing like because you want to have
beta bucks always over invest they're the ones making all the effort yeah they're they're the
ones I mean if they go to the marriage agencies they're the ones paying huge money for a date the girl just
shows up and I know there's some agents actually get the girls to pay as well a small amount which
is great that's actually a lot better but you know unless she's investing into doing something that
doesn't have to be that she's gonna pay because obviously this is Eastern Europe that's not the
standard basically guys pay on the dates and whatnot right so I'm not talking about that
beta bucks always over invest this is pretty sad like if the woman is not at least contributing
something right it can be something very small and maybe you've gone out a couple times let
me give a concrete example I'd like to talk about that's what I talked about on my premium
program as well Slavic Seduction Secrets which is obviously a link down below there's it's on demand
then we have what's called the borsch test right and that's basically whether the girl is going to
be willing to make borsch for you obviously not in the first date you can try it out but
it definitely wouldn't be boring if you went cooking the first time but basically that she's
willing to contribute in some way or do something and someone who's not investing in general
into a relationship is not really committed to it or that interested in it so if what you see with
beta bucks in general that's a lot to do with the guys that get scammed here is the fact that they
are investing all the time they're bringing her out to the restaurant they're picking up they're
probably sending it you know probably giving her cash for the taxi she's asked for 500 hrivna
which is about almost 20 US dollars when the most that's gonna be here is probably about five or six
dollars for example so obviously someone's not investing at all in terms of their time emotions
and you know normally it's not women invest in money it's going to be men at definitely
the beginning of a relationship 100% but you get my point that if she is not investing something
into it other than the fact that she's brought to nice restaurants and taking instagram videos
like my client also told me this happened to him at the beginning when he went on some of these
dates with that arranged for him here when he went to an agency basically she's not interested
because a real man is going to make her invest in some way going to get her to do something
it can be very small it could be maybe bringing up I don't know picking up something on the way
in for her just to give you a small little example maybe has maybe have a task that needs to be
done like it needs a little bit of research be quicker to do Russian hey can you do this for me
it takes two or three minutes boom someone who's not willing to invest I'm like why do I have to go
for this guy just to look up on google like really small investments obviously that's a very
small example but in general beta bucks they are the only ones investing they over invest way too
much and also too early they're writing stuff like looking for validation I look at the texts of some
consulting clients and yeah they've met the girl once and they're looking for you know confirmation
that she's really interested in them no better way to turn off a Slavic girl believe me so those were
the five beta buck traits that Western men have quite often that you need to avoid when you come
here to Eastern Europe to Kyiv and definitely to Odesa Mama which is scam central you're gonna get
eaten alive by those piranhas figuratively which are the Одесситке the girls of Odesa
the scammer girls are going to find you if you're a beta buck and they're going to steal
all your money maybe they won't get all over but they'll get a lot of it and that's why
you see so many scams what happens to online or in person basically they take advantage of
what I call what are called in general in the dating world beta bucks so avoid those five
traits and anyone coaching you to having those five traits is not doing it properly maybe they
don't just don't understand that that's making them probably a beta and probably you a beta so
yeah I think that's it write me down below what you think of what I've online today of course
I had those two primer videos that referred to one of them earlier you know what is a
real man mindset go just check that out it'll be up above probably earlier in the card down
below also Slavic Mentality Intelligence really useful I think they're the two things that you
need to get together uh get you know on top of first to be really successful here in dating in
Eastern Europe so they are primer videos here on the channel for free for my premium
content which is Slavic Seduction Secrets or you can consider a consulting call anyways I always
put all the links to all those options about how you can help you reach your potential here in
Eastern Europe a lot quicker and I'll end this because one of the matchmakers that did refer to
slightly unflatteringly early in the video he does have a very good point which is that the
guys who do the best are the guys who move here and that is what I've been focusing on more and
more over the last year so I also have my program my premium program Slavic Utopia Secrets: Ukraine
for high level guys who want to spend three to 12 months a year here in Ukraine I'm going to have
already a similar program for Belarus and it's that's all down below and on demand as
well so if you are considering you know to really give yourself the maximum chance then think about
moving to super free Ukraine because this is the year of well it's already been over year of all
this coronavirus madness and mayhem in terms of traveling as you can see the light is starting
to recede on my face because the sun has just gone over the other side of Maidan square here in
the center of Kyiv so I will see you very soon in the next video до побачення до свидания from crazy Kyiv Ukraine