THAT’S NEXT ON >>> MSNBC IS SO CORRUPT.
IT’S SO DISGUSTING.
THEY’RE REALLY A FAKE NEWS GROUP
OF PEOPLE.
OF PEOPLE. CNN, FAKE NEWS, SAYS TRUMP WILL
NOT WIN.
NOT WIN. BUT THEY CAN MAKE ANYTHING BAD
BECAUSE THEY ARE THE FAKE, FAKE
DISGUSTING NEWS.
DISGUSTING NEWS. AND EVEN THESE PEOPLE BACK HERE,
THESE HORRIBLE,ER HORRENDOUS
PEOPLE -- FAKE NEWS, FAKE NEWS.
THEY ARE FAKE.
>> WHEN YOU READ THE "NEW YORK
TIMES," IT’S JUST STORY AFTER
STORY AFTER STORY THAT IS JUST A
NEGATIVE SPIN.
NEGATIVE SPIN. >> THE ENEMY.
THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE, I CALL
THEM.
THEM. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP CONTINUES TO
RAIL AGAINST THE PRESS, EVEN
SAYING RECENTLY THAT THE FAKE
NEWS IS DANGEROUS AND SICK AND
CAN ALSO, QUOTE, CAUSE WAR.
A FAVORITE TARGET OF THE
PRESIDENT HAS BEEN THE FAILING,
SO-CALLED, "NEW YORK TIMES."
BUT AS THE TIMES PETER BAKER
RECENTLY POINTED OUT, THE PAPER
JUST ADDED ANOTHER 109,000 NEW
SUBSCRIBERS FOR THE SECONDER
QUARTER, BRINGING THE TOTAL TO
3.8 MILLION SUBSCRIBERS FOR
DIGITAL AND PRINT.
THAT’S ALL OF EYEBALLS.
THE SHOWTIME DOCUMENTARY THE
FOURTH SEAT CONICALS THE JOB OF
JOURNALISTS COVERING PRESIDENT
TRUMP IN HIS FIRST YEAR IN
OFFICE AND THE SERIES RECENTLY
EARNED AN EMMY NOMINATION.
TAKE A LOOK.
>> WE HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO IS
VERY COMFORTABLE NOT TELLING THE
TRUTH.
TRUTH. >> VERY STRANGE.
>> WE HAVE A LEFT THAT DOESN’T
WANT TO HEAR WHAT THE OTHER SIDE
HAS TO SAY.
AND WE HAVE A RIGHT THAT FEELS
THE SAME WAY.
AND ALL OF THOSE GROUPS ARE
PICKING THROUGH EVERY STORY,
LOOKING FOR PLACES WHERE WE
FAILED.
FAILED. >> JOINING US NOW, THE SERIES
DIRECTOR AND PRODUCER, LIZ
GARBIS, WHO SPENT THE LAST YEAR
EMBEDDED WITH THE TIMES.
LIZ, THANKS FOR BEING ON.
THANKS FOR DOING THIS.
WHAT DID YOU FIND?
WHAT SURPRISED YOU IN YOUR YEAR
EMBEDDED WITH "THE TIMES" AS YOU
TRY TO LOOK AT THE CHALLENGE
REPORTERS FACE IN THIS
LANDSCAPE, IN THIS ATMOSPHERE,
BUT ALSO IN WHAT WE DO AS
REPORTERS AND JOURNALISTS
BECAUSE WE ARE AN EVER EVOLVING
ALWAYS TRYING TO GET BETTER
ENTITY?
ENTITY? >> I THINK WHAT IS STRIKING IS
WITH ALL THE ATTACKS OF FAKE
NEWS, AND THE ENEMY OF THE
PEOPLE AND THE IDEA THAT THERE’S
SOME KIND OF CONSPIRACY BREWING
WITHIN PLACES LIKE THE "NEW YORK
TIMES" OR "THE WASHINGTON POST,"
WHAT I FOUND WAS EXTRAORDINARY
CAUTION.
CAUTION. THE AMOUNT OF TIPS AND POSSIBLY
DISINFORMATION THAT COMES IN ON
A DAILY BASIS TO THESE
JOURNALISTS AND HOW WARY THEY
ARE OF GOING OUT YOU WITH
INFORMATION THAT THEY HAVE, THAT
THEY CAN’T TRIPLE, QUADRUPLE
SOURCE.
SOURCE. I THINK WHAT WE SAW HAPPEN WITH
BRIAN RAS WAS HE WENT OUT WITH
ONE -- THAT COULD HAPPEN TO ANY
DAY TO ANY JOURNALIST THAT YOU
COULD GO OUT WITH A STORY YOU’VE
BEEN GIVEN ON OTHER PEOPLE AND
THEN IT COULD WATCH.
THAT DANGER IS THERE ALL THE
TIME.
TIME. THE FACT THAT THE "NEW YORK
TIMES" WRITERS GET IT RIGHT AS
OFTEN AS THEY DO IS
EXTRAORDINARY.
EXTRAORDINARY. >> THE TRANSPARENCY, THEY REALLY
GAVE YOU ACCESS TO GO THERE EVEN
IN SOME OF THEIR MOST DIFFICULT
MOMENTS.
MOMENTS. THAT THEY WERE CONFRONTING AS A
PAPER.
PAPER. >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. HE THOUGHT THE BEST WAY TO
RESPOND TO ATTACK WAS TO BE
TRANSPARENT.
TRANSPARENT. WHATEVER ANYBODY IS ACCUSING
THEM OF, EVEN WITH MISTAKES,
WARTS AND ALL, IT’S NOT GOING TO
BE AS BAD AS WHAT THEY’RE BEING
ACCUSE OF.
ACCUSE OF. SO TRANSPARENCY IS THE ANSWER.
.I THINK IT WAS SMART.
WHAT YOU SEE ARE TEAM GOING TO
WORK EVERY DAY, DOING THEIR
BEST, AND MOSTLY GETTING IT
RIGHT.
RIGHT. WE KNOW A LOT OF THE REPORTERS
THAT YOU’VE HIGHLIGHTED IN THE
DOCUMENTARY.
DOCUMENTARY. DID YOU FIND THAT THEY ABSORB
THE ATTACKS FROM DONALD TRUMP?
IS IT ON THEIR MIND?
DOES IT FEEL IMPORTANT TO THEM
THAT THEY’RE UNDER ASSAULT FROM
THE PRESIDENT?
THE PRESIDENT? >> I DON’T THINK IT AFFECTS THEM
DAY-TO-DAY IN THE WAY THEY GO
ABOUT DOING THEIR JOB.
THE STAKES HAVE ALWAYS BEEN HIGH
WHEN YOU GET SOMETHING WRONG,
THERE ARE HUGE REPERCUSSIONS.
IT DOESN’T HAPPEN THAT MUCH.
WHEN IT DOES, THEY CORRECT IT
AND TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.
I THINK THE STAKES ARE HIGHER
NOW SO THAT WEIGHS ON PEOPLE.
BUT YOU DON’T SEE THEM KIND OF
REALLY PAYING ATTENTION TO IT OR
ENGAGING IN IT.
MARY BARON SAID THE PRESIDENT IS
AT WAR BUT WAS AE JOURNALISTS
ARE AT WORK.
THAT’S WHAT YOU SEE.
>> LET ME PLAY DEVIL’S ADVOCATE
AND SAY YES, BUT THESE PEOPLE
ARE LEFT LEANING BY NATURE.
HOW CAN THEY BE OBJECTIVE?
EVEN IF THEY ARE TRYING TO BE.
THEY VOTE A CERTAIN WAY, HOW ARE
THEY NOT JUST LEANING A LITTLE
LEFT AS THEY’RE REPORTING?
>> YOU KNOW, JOURNALISTS ARE
HUMAN BEINGS AND, OF COURSE,
THEY MAY VOTE.
SOME DON’T VOTE, BUT THEY MAY
VOTE AND THEY MAY GO OUT THERE
AND EXPRESS THAT.
BUT I THINK THAT WHAT -- AND
DEAN HAS SAID THIS, TOO.
THE NATURAL STATE OF AFFAIRS
BETWEEN THE PRESS AND POWER
SHOULD BE ONE OF TENSION.
IT SHOULD BE ONE OF HOLDING THEM
ACCOUNTABLE.
ACCOUNTABLE. THEY OBVIOUSLY WENT AFTER
HILLARY CLINTON WITH A LOT OF
PASSION, RIGHT?
PASSION, RIGHT? SO I THINK THAT IS THE NATURAL
STATE OF AFFAIRS BETWEEN THE
PRESS AND POWER.
WITH THIS PRESIDENT WITH A LOT
OF MISSTATEMENT, ATTACKS, YOU
FEEL THAT TENSION EVEN MORE SO.
BUT I THINK IT IS THE NATURAL
STATE OF AFFAIRS.
>> YOU KNOW, MIKA, MAYBE MOST
JOURNALISTS ARE CENTER LEFT.
A LOT OF SURVEYS HAVE SHOWN THAT
THROUGH THE YEARS.
BUT YOU TALK TO HILLARY CLINTON
SUPPORTERS, THEY’RE JUST AS
ANGRY AT THE "NEW YORK TIMES."
FROM MICHAEL SCH MI DT’S TOUGH
REPORTING THROUGH YAO THE
2015-16 CAMPAIGN.
2015-16 CAMPAIGN. SO THE "NEW YORK TIMES" GOT IT
FROM BOTH SIDES AND THE TIMES IS
IS IT STILL GETTING HAMMERED
FROM DEMOCRATS AND HILLARY
CLINTON SUPPORTERS FOR THEIR
TOUGH, FAIR COVERAGE IN THE 2016
ELECTION CYCLE.
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