this book isn't airing out of a lot of things but but you come across as less
guarded was is that is that hard for you it doesn't feel good to do it it really
does Anderson I write in the book about how you know for so much of my time in
public life I felt like I was on this high wire with no net I was trying to
balance so many different competing concerns and I wanted to write a book
that would be as candid take people behind the scenes as I possibly could
share some of what went on on the road the kinds of activities that you do when
you're running for president especially as a woman but also to tackle the hard
questions like what what happened in the campaign what were the mistakes I made
which I you know talked about and what else happened and particularly with an
eye to understanding what we need to know so it doesn't happen again one of
the things you write about is the inauguration and I want to just take you
back to inauguration day you're standing inside the Capitol waiting to go out on
the platform with the former president with former President Clinton what was
going through your mind well it was such a surreal moment because usually a
candidate who doesn't win the election without some other position wouldn't go
but as a former first lady you know my husband and I go to inaugurations it's
part of the way we demonstrate continuity of government and I really
debated whether I could do it or not and you actually called up to Jimmy
Carter former President Carter and George W but right our offices were in
communication with both the Carters and and both bushes and the elder bushes
couldn't come because of ill health but you know both George and Laura and Jimmy
and Rosalyn we're gonna go and Bill and I just said you know we got to do this
so we were going but I can't tell you I was looking forward to it and as we were
standing inside the door of the Capitol before you descend the steps to go out
to the platform you know I was just thinking of what it was like when Bill
won and what it was like when I was there in 2001 I was a newly elected
senator but Vice President Gore had lost and coming back when President Obama was
inaugurated there were so many memories running through you know my mind and I
did not know what to expect and I write in the book about how really strange it
was to sit there and to listen to the kind of speech that was so divisive the
rhetoric was hot I call it a cry from the white nationalist gut instead of
taking the moment to say you know what I want to reach out and be the president
for everybody you know he didn't win the popular vote he squeaked through in the
electoral college he had a chance to really begin to fill the role and that
didn't happen that day I talked about American carnage when you were saying
the steps you write in the book that you were wishing you were anywhere else but
there anywhere else Bali maybe you know anywhere else
gret not going to Bali no I look I am afflicted with the responsibility gene I
did the right thing I knew I had to go but I have to quickly add that the next
day was great you know the women's March filled with enthusiasm and nearly 5
million people biggest ever in our history it really lifted my spirits you
also write in the book that George W Bush reportedly said after after the
inauguration that was some weird shit yes and I told I said I couldn't have
agreed more you agree with that sense right I do it was so strange I mean we
reveal your sourcing on that is she sitting across from me right now well no
I phrased it very delicately you know it was I went to the lunch afterwards I
mean I did everything that you're supposed to do I went to the lunch you
also said you defend a lot of time on the platform avoiding eye contact with
people who had been cruel to you yeah well that terrible thing yes I mean I I
was obviously aware that there were a lot of people there who had said
terrible things about me you know I could hear some Locker up chants in the
distance and then on the way out I ran into one of the you know people in the
Congress who've been pursuing me I didn't recognize him to be and you
thought jason Chaffetz was right yes I was leaving the platform and you know
this gentleman stuck out his hand and you know I greeted him and I thought it
was Reince Priebus he tweeted out a photo in fact and he said I want to get
it right tweeted out a picture saying so please she is not the president yeah and
I said I would have liked to have said yeah and I thought you were Reince
Priebus but anyway it you cover wannabe job there I did call him I want to be
famous fan I am a huge limb is fan who isn't that a thing that's ever seen it
or heard the music does that happen to you a lot I mean people coming up to you
who have said terrible things about you not to your face and then being very
friendly to your face I mean after the luncheon a congressman came up to you
that's right who had called you I think the Antichrist did called me the
Antichrist and came up to introduce his wife to me I'd never met him before he's
now our interior secretary as I write in the book and he could not have been
nicer in coming up to say hello wanting to greet me and I said well you know
congressman I'm not the Antichrist and he immediately backpedaled and oh my
goodness and and his wife could not have been nicer but I make the point that
when you are subjected to the kind of abuse that we see much too much of in
our politics right now both in person and online and people feel very free
anonymously to say terrible things or from a long distance where they don't
have to look you in the eye they don't have to relate to you or try to figure
out you know where you stand on something why you believe what you
believe and it's a real loss it's a loss I mean this hyper partisanship and this
negativity that I think has been really inflamed by the internet I've given a
lot of thought to it over the last month's you also have a lot of people
since then since inauguration day in the last eight months coming up to you women
coming up to you with their daughters and saying my daughter didn't go out to
vote and sort of wanting absolution from right
that happened to me what's more common are people bursting into tears welling
up I had a lot of that at my book signing yesterday here do you give
absolution to those who didn't vote to women who didn't know I don't I look I
when it first started happening it was so soon after the election and the
election was so bizarre and close it was hard for me to
you know comfort somebody who was coming to me and saying oh I wish I'd done more
or I'm sorry I didn't vote because I think this was one of the most
consequential elections that you know we have faced in a long time so no
absolution but of course you know I just hope people will take what happened this
time seriously and be ready and willing to vote the next time it seems like
you've been doing a lot of yoga alternate nostril breathing well I tried
that page 27 in your book you talked about alternate nostril breathing yes
what is that and dare you give me a demonstration well I would highly
recommend it you know I mean you're supposed to shut
your eyes I don't want to shut your ass up my eyes on you know on national
television but you know you do hold and you breathe through one and you hold it
and then you exhale through the other and you keep going
I can only say based on my personal experience that if you're sitting
cross-legged on the yoga mat and you're doing it and you're really trying to
inhale and hold it and then have a long exhale it is very relaxing so I don't if
you can do it in the middle of hurricane coverage but maybe some other moments
you can try it I found it quite helpful I want to talk to you about Jim coming
when when Comey said that he was reopening the investigation you believe
that is the day that effectively your campaign was over well that you lost I
believe based on a lot of evidence and a lot of assessments by other good
analysts Nate Silver being one that yes that was the determinate of day because
it stopped my momentum I don't blame voters for wondering what the heck was
going on you have the FBI director saying what he said and it was a you
know terrible time to try to break through the last days of a campaign when
you had this hanging over my head and it wasn't really lifted until the Sunday
before the election and you had people early voting believing that oh my gosh
there really is something here I knew there wasn't and I
that it was hard to understand why he didn't just call me and others up and
say hey can we look at this you feel you had been making progress winning back
white women voters I believe well I'll give you one quick
example that I write about not my polling but other polling I was leading
about 25 26 points in the Philadelphia suburbs that could not have happened if
I hadn't had a lot of women and a lot of Republican women independent women
saying that they were going to vote for me telling pollsters that I won those
suburbs by 13 points that's a huge loss and I needed to win by probably about
eighteen to counterbalance what happens in the rest of the state which is
something that we all knew going in but you know I talk about this in the book
because I do want to answer questions that people might have but what I think
is important is to really take a candid hard look about you know what the
factors were I hope nobody ever faces what I faced with respect to that but
whoever runs again probably starting in 2018 will face Russian interference may
face coordination between opposition campaigns and Russians will face voter
suppression will face endemic sexism and misogyny and part of why I wrote this
book was not only to come to grips with what I think happened but to send up
some you know alarm signals so that others can say hey wait a minute these
factors could affect anybody and eventually Republicans could be affected
some of your critics when they hear you talk about misogyny they say they roll
their eyes and say look that's that's an excuse
that in this day and age we had an african-american president but there's a
big difference between what motivates voters on race and what doesn't motivate
voters on gender most people in my position who have run for office
particularly at the state level for senator governor and certainly my
experience is running for president you don't like to raise this because you
don't want people to think hey you know you're making excuses but I decided to
raise it I write a whole chapter about it because I think if we don't confront
it especially given the words and actions of our current
president it could be a big backlash that will undermine a lot of young women
and their own futures and now we know it's not just in politics it's in
Silicon Valley it's in businesses evolved Sheryl Sandberg good yes you
believe that there's a double standard that women who when when you were
Secretary of State and you were seen as working for somebody else's interests
the United States interests you were very popular poll showed you were not
69% at the end of my tenure but that when you were seen as working for
yourself as a candidate mm-hm there's a different viewpoint and
Anderson it's not just what I believe as you mentioned Sheryl Sandberg who's just
delved into all the research that we possibly have about these issues when a
man is professionally successful he is seen as more likeable as a woman becomes
more professionally successful she is seen as less likeable as you point out
when a woman advocates for someone else in my position as Secretary of State for
my country for the president I was serving you know people can really like
you like the job you're doing I'm the exact same person and then all of a
sudden I step into the arena it's true even with something as mundane as if a
woman goes to the to her employer and advocates a raise for someone else she's
seen as a great team player leadership and all the rest if she goes and
advocates for herself it counts against her whereas if a man goes and advocates
for himself hey you know the guy's got guts he's
willing to step up and ask for what he wants you said about Jim Comey that he
shaved you yeah which is a very I mean that's a strong word it is a strongly
and it also implies that this was a personal or that he was trying to get
you he's never been clear about his motivation and what bothered me the most
as the time went on after the election is and we learned more about the open
FBI investigation into the Trump campaign and their connections with
Russia that had been going on for quite some time the American people didn't
know about it he was specifically asked why didn't you tell the American
people about that investigation and he said well because it was too close to an
election so ask yourself a closed investigation that ended the prior July
an ongoing investigation into the Trump campaign and Russia one deserves to be
blown out of all proportion nothing to be found one more time and the American
people don't have the information that there's a legitimate investigation going
on about Trump and Russia before they vote do you think it is personal I have
no idea I can't sit here and tell you I know that there had to be some pressure
on him because Rudy Giuliani announced two days before that letter came out
that something big was coming in two days and people have speculated was he
under pressure from Giuliani and others within the FBI or the broader
law-enforcement community I don't speculate on it I just talked
about how really hard to understand it was and the impact that it had one of
the things though that director Comey gave for that press conference in July
was the meeting that your husband had on the tarmac with the Attorney General
attorney general Lynch you write about it in the book but what you don't
mention in the book is what you said to your husband when you heard about that
meeting I didn't hear about it for days because it was so inconsequential to
both of them and then when I heard about it I didn't really think much of it and
I think this was a rationalization that was used for being able to do what he
did but you know what's important to me going forward is as I say I think it's
important to focus on what happened because lessons can be learned but the
more important lessons that will affect our democracy going forward or not about
him and his investigation he I think forever changed history but that's in
the past what's important is the fact that the Russians are still going at us
he himself admitted that before Congress people I really respect like Jim clapper
and John Brennan and others who knew what the Russians were doing have been
sounding the alarm I will tell you this Anderson if
I had been elected president under the same circumstances so that you know I
lost the popular vote I squeaked through the electoral college and evidence came
up that the Russians for whatever reason were trying to help me I would have said
on the first day in office we're gonna launch the most thorough investigation
no nation particularly an adversary nation can mess with our democracy I
would have had an independent commission I would have done everything I could to
get to the bottom of it because it's not going to stop that's what I'm worried
about in the USA today when asked about collusion between the Trump campaign and
Russia you said quote I'm convinced of it so I just want to be clear you're
convinced there was collusion well let me say if I'm convinced there was
communication I'm convinced there were meetings and phone calls I'm convinced
that there were financial entanglements let's let's wait to see what it's called
I'm convinced that there was something going on and let's put that though let's
put the investigation to one side because indeed I have a lot of
confidence in the Special Counsel I don't know what he's going to end up
with he's a very honorable man if there's nothing there there's nothing
there if there is I think he'll tell us put that to one side because that's
ongoing it almost doesn't matter our president whoever our president is
should be defending our country and should be standing up and saying nobody
messes with America we are not going to tolerate that we don't hear any of that
coming from the White House because of Russia's role do you think there should
be an asterisk next to President Trump's name in the history books look I don't
know we don't know we don't have all the facts yet what I believe we now know
they paid for facebook ads and those were disseminated broadly we know that
they had access to targeting and data information from somewhere maybe
internally maybe helped externally we know that they had Russians pretending
to be Americans who were online and in-person trying to foment negative
stories about me and positive ones about Trump we know there was a huge amount of
content being produced in places like Macedonia we know that WikiLeaks which
is basically a front now for Putin was more than
willing to publish stolen emails from the DNC from John Podesta and that then
those emails were weaponized with ridiculous absurd untrue stories being
churned out on and on so there's a lot we know already your fuck you follow
this extremely closely what I started following this back in the summer of
2016 because there was something going on when the DNC hack happened you know
we had a huge political crisis when Republicans physically broke in to the
Democratic Party's records back in the so-called watergate years this is a
different kind of theft and it's do you think this is bigger than Watergate I
think it's probably bigger than Watergate because it is about the future
you know we no longer are worried about you know spies and provocateurs with you
know dressed in black with gloves breaking into a an office and stealing
information they do it sitting in the offices of the Russian you know military
intelligence and other related venues and they get into what is the core of
our life now through the computer network as you know though Republicans
will say no vote was ever changed this did not affect the outcome well I would
say two things this was a highly sophisticated influence operation I
believe it did affect people's votes you think it cost you votes I think it cost
me votes the fact that those emails were were don't those were they well and that
they were were weaponized so in the book I write about how if you go look at
Google searches particularly in some of the battleground states during October
and you listen to Trump's speeches where he mentioned WikiLeaks I think 160 times
they clearly knew that stories that were making stuff up trying to use the emails
were permeating Facebook and other sites the worst of them was this pizza gate
story where honest to goodness out of whole cloth made up they took the word
pizza out of one of John Podesta Z mails and
that he and I were running a child trafficking ring in a poor little pizza
parlor in Washington it sounds absurd millions of people were
exposed to that the horrible hit job total lies about the Clinton Foundation
people were affected by that because we could see that the wikileaks searches in
a lot of places that were historically kind of swing counties were really
rising i think the influence did affect individual voters what we don't know yet
and we are only beginning to get evidence of is why were the russians
intruding into our voter registration rolls but do you think this Russian
interference was not enough to have cost the election if director Comey hadn't
reopened that investigation that's what I believe I believe though it became a
perfect storm reopening it which caused people once again to be obsessed with
emails and then Podesta's emails being used to drive all this negative story
about me I think it came together to really kind of make some people queasy
like oh my gosh what if she goes to jail I heard that so many times I've talked
to reporters who were out there covering the campaign to the very end and people
would say things like you know I like her and I think she's done a good job
but what if she's in jail and you know I knew that that was happening but I
thought we would ride it out I want to ask you about the second debate
yeah which took place two days and you were there and I want to thank you I
want to thank you Anderson I'm hard on the press as you know from reading the
book in many ways but a couple of people come in for you know good descriptions
and praise and I thought the way you started that debate what you said in the
beginning needed to be said and I I really appreciated that well what you're
referencing is is my first question to President Trump which was you know
describing what he had talked about he described as lack or inventor and I said
that is sexual assault or do you do you understand that we wrestled as a
co-moderator we wrestled with how to handle the access hollywood tape i'm
wondering when the access hollywood tape came out two days before this debate did
you wrestle with what to say about it well first of all we were shocked and
and we were you know totally surprised that something like that
existed and that had come out and we did wrestle with it because we wanted to let
people see it we didn't want to get in the way of people being able to draw
their own conclusions but we also you know wanted to you know reference it
because I found it very troubling both personally and politically do you
understand women who voted for Donald Trump as president even though they
heard what he said on the accident do you respect women who voted for Donald
Trump after the accident here's what I would say about that I think what
happened after that tape which was wall-to-wall coverage certainly affected
a lot of people and I think a lot of women were very concerned about that and
I knew that it would be tough to I won women I won all women but I lost white
women and I knew that would be tough but I ended up actually getting more white
women's votes than President Obama had in 2012 so this is not just a problem
for me this was a longer term Democratic nominee problem so I knew I was going to
have to work hard on it and when that happened and the way really it was a
horrific two to three days story and then it sort of dropped because remember
within an hour of that tape going public release WikiLeaks dropped John Podesta Z
mails I struggled with that I thought why would somebody find what largely I
think could be described as boring anodyne emails more significant than
words coming out of trumps mouth also at that debate there was there it was the
most tense room I've ever been in for the first 30 minutes certainly at the
debate you didn't shake hands with each other and there was the physicality of
Donald Trump walking around the stage I'm just wondering what was going
through your mind at that point well as I write you know I prepared for him to
try to use his size and his presence to intimidate me as I was walking out to
get on the debate that's something you would actually press I had practiced and
you know one of the members of my team said
remember he's trying to get inside your head I said yeah you think because I
knew that the best way he could respond given what that tape showed was to try
to assert you know the the the alpha male
it's just locker room talk stuff so we we practiced that and I concluded after
practicing it that I needed to just remain calm and composed because if I
said anything that acknowledged it I was afraid that it would look like I
couldn't take it that I wasn't you know really tough enough that this guy was
looming over me I should just be able to proceed that's what I did
in retrospect in writing the book I thought you know because my head was
like running all through the debate like this is really discomforting this is
weird I've debated other people what he's doing is deliberately meant to
throw me off maybe I should say something you know I turn around you're
not going to intimidate me back off you creep but I concluded no I wanted to
remain composed you know it was judged I was attracting for you it was obviously
you weren't looking at him no did you see him out of the corner your eyes you
could I mean you could feel the presence and you know maybe it's a skill that
women particularly develop because you know we have to be aware of our
surroundings I certainly was aware of him and and you know I won the debate
according to the analysts and all the rest of that but as I say in the book I
think that what he did and what he tried to do and his insulting me like calling
me a nasty woman in the third debate all of that played to his base so both the
men and women who were in his base in the Republican base
they were rationalizing their support for him all the time it was like well
yeah it's probably his locker room oh my gosh you know look the director of the
FBI says she may go to jail okay well locker room isn't as bad as that so
there was a constant weighing back and forth and at the end he got 90% of the
Republican vote I got 90% of the Democratic vote and it was in part
because I think a lot of people who voted for him well he won't really be
like that as president and besides we want our tax cuts and we
want to make sure that we get a Supreme Court justice so I think there was heavy
rationalization going on in that last month you spent a lot of time in the
book talking about how much comfort your husband gave you throughout the campaign
and yeah and obvious in the last couple of months you wrote I know some people
wonder why we're still together that we must have an arrangement we do it's
called a marriage that I helped him become president and then stayed so he
could help me become president know that we lead completely separate lives and
it's just a marriage on paper now he's reading over my shoulder in our kitchen
with our dogs underfoot I wonder why you felt the need to include that in the
book you know I talked about Bill I talked about Chelsea and I talked about
my mother and I talked about my friends because in the book on second in the
book I have a chapter called on being a woman in politics where I really do try
to take on sexism and misogyny but I also wanted to make it clear first of
all that putting yourself out there in politics in public life can be immensely
rewarding but that's not all that's important in life by any means and so I
wanted to you really again kind of pull the curtain back and say you know I lost
a presidential campaign that I thought I was going to win it was devastating but
I have so many blessings in my life starting with my husband and the life we
built together you also wrote that during the what you describe as the dark
days of your marriage the two questions you asked herself was do I still love
him and can i still be in this marriage without becoming unrecognizable to
myself were those easy questions to answer they were really hard questions
you know anybody alive in America at that time knows how difficult that
period was and you know I I really had to struggle and I had a lot of angst you
know I had to fall back on my faith and my family my friends but I wasn't going
to be making a decision that other people wanted me to make or that public
pressure was you know coming in on me I'm gonna make my decision and it was
based on those two questions and you know the life we had built together and
I'm very glad that that's the way I chose to continue my life Chelsea
wynton was a surrogate during before you during the campaign Ivanka Trump was a
surrogate for for president Trump if you had won with Chelsea Clinton have an
office in the West Wing would she be able to drop in on meetings with
congressional leaders no but it wouldn't even cross her mind she's got a very
active life she's written a couple of great books and is it appropriate you
know it's up to a president decide who is or is not welcomed in any meeting
that's up to a president and I you know can only speak for myself and the White
House has I've been in and the work that I've done and I think there's not enough
expertise and experience yet in the White House right now I think does it
concern you that Jared Kushner was somebody you worked as Secretary of
State who worked obviously on Middle East peace does it concern that Jared
Kushner is seems to be the point person on well it concerns me that the deep
well of experience and expertise that our country has to offer our foreign
service has to offer that outside experts have to offer is largely being
disregarded and you know if you look at what's happening in North Korea we need
to have an intensive diplomatic effort that requires people who know the
culture know the history know the languages that are involved I don't see
that happening and then you can pick anywhere else in the world and draw the
same conclusion so we are not engaging in statecraft the way we need to it's
not that individuals can't be part of teams who may have different expertise
or perspectives that's fine but teams need to be led by people who understand
the history and how we got to where we are in order to make progress in the
book you make no attempt to hide your displeasure about the electoral college
and you say on page 386 you say the godforsaken Elektro you mentioned
winning the popular vote obviously multiple times in the book yes do you
think the electoral college should be abolished I said that in 2000 after what
happened to the 2000 election with Al Gore I was elected to the Senate that
same year and if you look at our recent history we've had several candidates
nominees who have won the popular vote and lost the electoral college what does
that say and it says that an anachronism that was designed for another time no
longer works if we've moved toward one-person one-vote that's how we select
winners I was amused after the French elections when I was listening to an
interview with a French electoral expert and he said well unlike your country the
person who wins the most votes wins so I think it needs to be eliminated I'd like
to see us move beyond it yes the you also mentioned in the book that
after you realize you'd lost you thought about all the locker option
yes and that Donald Trump had said it actually was at the second debate Donald
Trump said he if he was president you would be in jail is that something you
seriously worried about well I knew I had no reason to worry about it but I
worried that he might make that effort you can't predict what he might do
that's one of the lessons I think we've seen so far in this presidency but you
know I like so much else I just kind of moved beyond that I got interested in
cleaning my closets and you know taking long walks in the woods things that
helped me recover from that loss do you think Donald Trump has moved beyond the
election are you I mean he does talk about you still or not a lot yes he does
talk about me quite a bit I don't know I would think he'd have a lot more
important things to spend his time on he's got you know crises all around the
world to deal with he's got divisive nough sin our country he's got the
terrible events of Charlottesville and so much else going on that I think he
should be focused on rather than constantly trying to take potshots at me
or at President Obama he does that quite often too just a couple quick other
questions senator Sanders obviously he has a strong voice now and the
Democratic Party comes under a lot of criticism from you in the book what
political sin did he commit other than choosing to run against you well it's
not the political sin he committed it was the failure to move quickly to unify
the party and his supporters and I know a little bit about this after it was
clear that yes it was clear I was going to be the nominee like in March or April
it was beyond any doubt in June and in a way we ran a much closer
tougher primary contest between President Obama and myself it was really
close and I immediately endorsed him and I went to work for him I spent countless
hours Anderson convincing my supporters who felt equally aggrieved that they had
to support Barack Obama I was still arguing with big rooms of supporters at
the Denver convention I didn't get that same you know respect and reciprocity
from senator Sanders or from his supporters they're still you know
incredibly divisive and I'm interested in what he can do to help elect
Democrats he's not a Democrat he he makes that clear but we need to do
everything possible to win the governorships in New Jersey and Virginia
this year and we need to do everything possible to flip the Congress in 2018 he
could be helpful if he so chose and that's what I'm calling on him to do do
you think Donald Trump will be a candidate in 2020 well he's already got
a committee open he's raising a lot of money so I think he thinks he will be
and we'll have to wait and see what happens to those who hear you they you
know hear interviews you've done see the book coming out and think is this really
what the Democratic Party needs that there's do that they need fresh
leadership they need new voices they need new people entering the arena and
that by you being on the stage in such a public way it it hampers that oh I don't
buy that at all I think you know from my perspective I have a lot of experience
and expertise and insight that I'm sharing with the world and particularly
with Democrats I've got a new organization called onward together I'm
supporting young grassroots groups that have sprung up to recruit candidates
train them run them fund them I'm going to be supporting candidates so I may be
out of politics as a candidate but I am still deeply committed to doing anything
I can to make sure that we don't lose ground to this divisive bigotry and bias
and Prejudice and and you know favoring the the wealthy and the well-connected
over everybody else that I see as the agenda of this White House
General Michael Hayden I have him on my show a lot and you know he has a
lifetime in intelligence work one of the things he talks about is the thin veneer
of civilization and that he is very concerned that it is a very thin veneer
that we think our institutions are so solid that our democracy is so secure
that nothing can upset and nothing can wipe away that thin veneer of
civilization do you worry about that I worry about it all the time I've heard
Mike Hayden talked to you about that and I know he's written about it and
it's a very serious sober warning you know civilization in part is the
institutionalization of the rule of law of minority rights of a free press of
the kinds of incredible guarantees that we made as a nation from our very
founding civilization also requires leadership so that when people start
engaging in white supremacy talk and they parade as neo-nazis and they are in
the Ku Klux Klan and and they are unbridled on the internet with their
racist and sexist and other kinds of insulting comments we need leadership at
the highest levels of our government to say that's not acceptable part of what
makes us this dynamic extraordinary country which I'm very optimistic about
long-term is our diversity is the fact that we've brought people together from
all over to be part of the American Dream in the American experiment so our
civilization which has the attributes of the kind of institutional supports and
democracy and citizenship and voting being absolutely core to that has to be
defended internally and externally and I'm just hoping that more people and
particularly more Republicans will speak up because if we begin to see the
erosion of the rule of law and the erosion of our our voting system and so
much else that's not going to stop by hurting Democrats for heaven's sakes
that hurts our entire country and undermines who we are as Americans so I
think that people like Mike Hayden and as many others as possible need to be
speaking out and standing up and saying just that Secretary Clinton thanks very
much thanks