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BRIAN: LONG ANTICIPATED, HE
IS FINALLY HERE, CONGRESSMAN
JIM JORDAN, MEMBER OF THE
HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE,
RANKING MEMBER OF THE HOUSE
OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE AND
MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME,
CONGRESSMAN, THINGS ARE
CHANGING SO QUICKLY WITH THE
CLOSED DOOR SESSIONS WITH
THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY.
WHERE YOU GUYS CAN'T ASK ANY
QUESTIONS AND THE PRESIDENT
CAN'T GET REPRESENTED.
AND WE DON'T GET
TRANSCRIPTS.
AFTER THURSDAY'S VOTE, WHAT
CHANGES?
>> WELL, I DON'T THINK
ANYTHING.
AND TO YOUR LIST, BRIAN,
IT'S ALSO ALL DONE IN SECRET
IN A BUNKER IN THE BASEMENT
OF THE CAPITAL.
SO I DON'T THINK ANYTHING IS
GOING TO CHANGE.
AND FRANKLY, EVEN IF THEY
TRIED TO CHANGE SOMETHING TO
GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF DUE
PROCESS, WE ARE ALL STILL
GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THIS
BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH A SHAM
AND BEEN SUCH A SHAM FROM
THE BEGINNING.
SO, YEAH, I DON'T THINK --
AND YOU CAN'T UNDO WHAT THEY
HAVE ALREADY DONE.
WE HAVE HAD THESE 8
DEPOSITIONS NOW.
THEY HAVE BEEN LEAKING
SELECTIVE PARTS OF IT.
HAVEN'T BEEN FOLLOWING ANY
TYPE OF BASIC DUE PROCESS.
SO, YOU CAN'T UNDO WHAT THEY
HAVE DONE.
I THINK THIS IS JUST ONE
MORE KIND OF MAKE IT UP AS
YOU GO ALONG EXAMPLE.
AND IT'S ALL BEEN DONE IN
SECRET WITH THESE SECRET
LEAKS.
SO IT'S A CONTINUATION OF
THE -- THEY ARE GOING TO
DRESS IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
AINSLEY: GO ON THE RECORD.
SHE IS CALLING IT A
FORMALIZED IMPEACHMENT
INQUIRY.
IT ESTABLISHES PROCEDURE AND
AFFIRMS INVESTIGATIONS.
>> YEAH.
I THINK THE REASON SHE IS
GOING TO HAVE THIS VOTE
BECAUSE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
UNDERSTAND IT IS SHAM.
THEY UNDERSTAND IT ISN'T
FAIR.
THE IDEA THAT THE PRESIDENT
DOESN'T GET COUNSEL IN THE
ROOM.
THE PEOPLE FROM THE STATE
DEPARTMENT DON'T GET AGENCY
COUNSEL.
WE CAN'T SEE THE TRANSCRIPT
UNLESS WE MAKE A SPECIAL
APPOINTMENT AND SOME
DEMOCRATS IN THE ROOM AS YOU
ARE REVIEWING THE
TRANSCRIPT.
AND THEY GET TO SELECTIVELY
LEAK THINGS BECAUSE WE
FOLLOW THE RULES AND THEY
DON'T.
THIS IS ALL A RIDICULOUS
UNFAIR AND PARTISAN PROCESS.
AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SEE
THROUGH IT.
SO I THINK THE SPEAKER IS
GOING TO TRY TO DRESS IT UP
A LITTLE BIT.
PUT A LITTLE LIPSTICK ON THE
PIG AS THEY SAY AND INTEREST
THIS VOTE ON THURSDAY.
IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE
ANYTHING.
I THINK YOU WILL SEE EVERY
SINGLE REPUBLICAN VOTE
AGAINST IT.
STEVE: THIS IS VINDICATION.
THEY SAYING LEGITIMATE WE
NEED TO HAVE THE VOTE ON IT.
WITH THE VOTE, THAT'S GOING
TO PUT SOME OF YOUR
COLLEAGUES ACROSS THE AISLE
IN THE HOT SEAT BECAUSE
THEY, ESSENTIALLY, WILL HAVE
TO GO ON THE RECORD WITH
THIS PROXY VOTE ABOUT TRUMP
AND IMPEACHMENT AND NEXT
NOVEMBER THAT MIGHT NOT BE
GOOD FOR THEM.
>> YEAH.
THINK ABOUT NEXT NOVEMBER.
THESE 31 DEMOCRATS IN
CONGRESSIONAL SEATS THAT
PRESIDENT TRUMP WON IN 2016.
IF THEY VOTE FOR THIS NEXT
FALL, LESS THAN 13 MONTHS
FROM NOW, PEOPLE ARE GOING
TO WALK IN THE VOTING BOOTH,
VOTE FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP AND
THEN THE NEXT DECISION THEY
HAVE TO MAKE IS WHO DO I
WANT TO SUPPORT FOR
CONGRESS?
AND THEY WILL BE THINKING I
DO REALLY WANT TO VOTE FOR
THE PERSON WHO JUST VOTED TO
IMPEACH THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES 13 MONTHS
BEFORE AN ELECTION BASED ON
SOME ANONYMOUS WHISTLEBLOWER
WITH NO FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE
WHO HAD A BIAS AGAINST THE
PRESIDENT AND WORKED WITH
JOE BIDEN?
I THINK THEY ARE GOING TO
THINK LONG AND HARD ABOUT
THAT.
WE WILL SEE.
THEY ARE SO FAR DOWN THIS
ROAD.
I ASSUME THE DEMOCRATS ARE
GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS AND
CONTINUE THIS, AGAIN, THIS
UNFAIR AND PARTISAN PROCESS.
BRIAN: THE "WALL STREET
JOURNAL" SAYS THIS VOTE
SHOWS THAT THE CRITICS OF
THE PROCESS ARE VINDICATED.
BECAUSE NOW IT LOOKS LIKE
THE PRESIDENT COULD BE
GETTING DUE PROCESS BUT YOU
ARE NOT OPTIMISTIC.
SO WHAT'S GOING TO BE
HAPPENING TODAY?
LIEUTENANT COLONEL ALEXANDER
VINMAN IS GOING TO BE COMING
FORWARD.
HE'S A MEMBER OF THE
NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL.
AND HE WAS DIRECTOR FOR
EUROPEAN AFFAIRS.
AND HE IS UPSET BY TWO
SEPARATE INCIDENTS WHICH HE
COMPLAINED ABOUT, ONE IN
EARLY JULY AND THE CALL ON
JULY 25TH.
FROM HIS PREPARED
STATEMENTS, WHAT SHOULD WE
KNOW FROM IT?
>> WELL, AGAIN, REMEMBER, WE
HAVE NOW HEARD FROM EIGHT
WITNESSES.
LIEUTENANT COLONEL VINMAN
WILL COME IN TODAY.
NONE OF THEM HAVE CHANGED
THE FUNDAMENTAL FACTS.
THE FUNDAMENTAL FACTS HAVE
ALWAYS BEEN THERE WE HAVE
SEEN THE CALL TRANSCRIPT.
NO CONDITIONS PLACED IN THE
CALL BETWEEN PRESIDENT TRUMP
AND PRESIDENT ZELENSKY.
NO QUID PRO QUO.
THE TWO PEOPLE ON THE CALL
NAMELY PRESIDENT TRUMP AND
PRESIDENT ZELENSKY HAVE SAID
NO PRESSURE NO, PUSHING
WHATSOEVER.
THE UKRAINIANS DIDN'T EVEN
KNOW AID WAS WITHHELD AT THE
TIME OF THE CALL.
THE UKRAINIANS DID NOTHING
TO GET THE AID TURNED BACK
ON.
NAMELY, THEY DIDN'T --
PRESIDENT ZELENSKY DIDN'T DO
A STATEMENT SAYING HE WAS
GOING TO DO CERTAIN THINGS.
THEY DIDN'T START
INVESTIGATIONS TO GET THE
AID TURNED BACK ON.
THE AID WAS TURNED BACK ON
BECAUSE THE UNITED STATES
SENATORSY TELLING THE
PRESIDENT LET'S TURN THE AID
BACK ON AND DO.
THIS NOTHINGS THAT CHANGED
THE FUNDAMENTAL FACTS.
THE ONE THING THAT IS CLEAR
IS THIS IS BASED ON SOME
ANONYMOUS WHISTLEBLOWER.
AND THERE ARE 435 MEMBERS OF
CONGRESS AND ONLY ONE MEMBER
KNOWS WHO THAT WHISTLEBLOWER
IS.
AND JUST AS IMPORTANTLY, WHO
THE PEOPLE ARE WHO FORMED
THE BASIS OF THAT
WHISTLEBLOWER'S COMPLAINT.
THESE HANDFUL OF PEOPLE THAT
THE WHISTLEBLOWER IDENTIFIED
IN HIS COMPLAINT.
THAT INDIVIDUAL IS ADAM
SCHIFF.
HOW IS THAT FAIR?
THAT ONLY ADAM SCHIFF KNOW
HOW THIS WHOLE THING
STARTED.
AND THE OTHER MEMBERS OF
CONGRESS DON'T KNOW THAT.
THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO
GET TO THE BOTTOM OF AND
KNOW HOW THIS WHOLE THING
STARTED AND WHY ADAM SCHIFF
IS THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS THAT
INFORMATION.
STEVE: THAT'S ONE OF THE
REASONS WHY THE PRESIDENT
SAYS ADAM SCHIFF SHOULD BE
IMPEACHED.
AINSLEY: HIS TWEET LAST
NIGHT.
STEVE: JIM JORDAN JOINING