- (Chris) You know who's got the hardest job tonight?
- Oh, this.
- (Chris) ...and his wife are both nominated.
Now, if she loses, he can't win!
- I've never seen this whole clip. (laughs)
- You know what,
and I didn't even watch it when it was going.
I saw this on TikTok afterwards.
- (Chris) Please lord!
Jada, I love ya, G.I. Jane 2, can't wait to see it, alright?
- Mm.
- She is like oh my gosh, she's upset.
Will is still smiling right there.
- Eh, see, but he's laughing. He's laughing, Jada doesn't like it.
She rolls her eyes, it's a sucky ass joke.
- (Chris) Uh oh. - Uh oh.
- And here he comes. (Chris laughs)
And then...
- (Chris) Oh wow! - God, impact.
- Get wrecked.
- Oh my God.
- (Chris) Will Smith just smacked the [censored] out of me.
- And then he just goes back and sits down.
- You know, gotta get those ratings up.
Let's go! (laughs)
- (Chris) Wow, dude.
- But when he said it the second time,
you can even see, Lupita in the background.
- Lupita. (laughs) She's like...
He's serious.
- He had one thing to say, and that was
that's not something to joke about.
- (Chris) That was a... - Chris Rock!
- (Chris) Greatest night in the history of television.
- I love the way he at least kept it 1000 with that.
Facts.
- Every single time I watch this,
I feel like I'm there.
I feel nervous, and I feel embarrassed for him,
and I feel shocked.
- I mean, I don't think
I would've heard anything about the Oscars at all, personally,
if it wasn't for that situation.
- As a woman, to be made fun of by you know, a person of color,
in a predominantly white space, like, that could be very jarring,
because that sort of makes you feel like
Chris Rock is perpetuating behavior that is offensive to you.
- Her being a woman of color, her being a woman.
In this moment, I think it's really important to remember
that you're supposed to support black women,
you're supposed to do what's right,
even though I don't think Will was right,
it was, I think, understandable to a certain extent.
I think both of them lose in this event.
I don't think either one of them was correct.
- I've been seeing on Twitter how everyone's like
we shouldn't condone any violence, but like no,
I would do the same for my partner.
It probably would've played out exactly like that,
like, I'd be laughing, because I laugh at everything,
and then if I see that my partner's like no,
that wasn't funny, that actually kinda hurt,
then I would do the same thing.
- I just feel like it could have been handled a different way,
like, I guess like being a man, you can just be like,
you can handle that later, you know?
No, yeah, you're upset, I get it, but it's just like,
now wasn't that time to do that.
I mean, it took me, I'm still growing up,
and it's taken me some time to get through that myself,
you know, so I can see if you're that age, you know,
it just feels like especially if you're in that industry for that long
personally, I feel like you should've been aware
of your surroundings, you know?
- The reality is I am not a disabled person,
I am not a chronically disabled person,
I'm also not a black person,
so my opinion holds zero weight in this scenario.
The part that hurts me to see is that good intentions or not,
this is unfortunately only going to have negative consequences.
Venus and Serena Williams,
they're gonna catch stray bullets from this,
Jada, now, whenever she speaks of her Alopecia,
or she speaks of her disability,
that's gonna fall on deaf ears because the Will Smith slap
will overshadow all of that.
- Right now, I am dating somebody who also has an autoimmune disease.
That can be something that can be taken
in different ways, depending on who it is.
That's something that somebody has to live with.
I don't care who wrote the joke, it might not even have been
a joke that Chris Rock wrote.
The joke was bad, everybody knew that it was bad,
and that should not have made air period.
How did it get that far?
Somebody said oh great,
now black on black crime is in the Oscars.
This has nothing to do with that.
You're telling me that just because of the fact that that person
is the same color that I am,
all of a sudden now anything they say I have to be okay with?
Hell [censored] no.
- (Will) In this time in my life...
- It's like a little awkward if I was there,
be like oh, I just watched this dude smack a guy too, that's funny.
- (Will) I am overwhelmed by what God is calling on me
to do and be in this world.
- Okay.
- I think he's using really good words
to paint himself as some kind of hero.
- (Will) I'm being called on in my life
to love people. - Mm-hmm.
- (Will) And to protect people. - Mm-hmm.
- (Will) And to be a river to my people.
I know to do what we do,
you gotta be able to take abuse...
- Mm-hmm, that's true.
- (Will) Have people talk crazy about you.
- You definitely have to have such thick skin.
- (Will) And what I loved, thank you D.
Denzel said to me a few minutes ago.
(Izzy laughs)
At your highest moment, be careful,
that's when the devil comes for you.
- Mm-hmm.
Let's go, Denzel.
- I like how they were all looking out for him too,
in this situation, I love that.
Some real friends right there.
- What he says is true,
in terms of when you go to enough events,
when you hear people talk about you on stage in public
like that so many times,
it's gonna, you're gonna snap.
- (Will) For love. - It doesn't make it right, though.
- (Will) I wanna apologize to The Academy.
- That's good, that's very mature to do.
- Not Chris Rock. (laughs)
- Also, I don't know if anybody's read his book.
He speaks a lot about he regrets not being able to defend his mother.
His like, past females in his life,
he regrets not being able to stand up for them,
so I think this was way more than about,
this was more than just the joke.
- (Will) For winning an award,
it's not about winning an award for me,
it's about being able to shine light...
- Everything he's preaching is correct,
and the right way to go about things,
but it doesn't align with what his actions
showed that night to me.
- He should have been there to protect the people that he cares about
because of the fact that he [censored] cares.
Do I think he was wrong? No.
Do I think he was wrong in his actions?
Yes.
Should they revoke his Oscar? No!
That had nothing to do with the absolutely amazing performance
he had in that film.
- I don't know, there's two different meanings, I feel like,
with that approach of violence,
and there's a reason why I think he slapped him,
instead of like closed fist punched him,
but I think Will should have been removed.
He assaulted a man on national TV.
- When you get into a character,
sometimes, you like, you learn different parts,
or you learn new things about yourself.
Him playing the father of Venus and Serena,
which I've seen interviews of him.
He does not play about his girls.
I can see how, like, learning that role
makes him a protector.
- I mean yeah, he goofed up, it's like,
but dude worked hard on a movie bro,
like, you can't, how does that one moment
gonna mess that entire opportunity,
the whole Oscars, like they're gonna have to
give it to somebody else now?
Like, they just want more drama.
- (reporter) You've been outspoken about the Will Smith/Chris Rock thing.
What did you think about it whenever it was happening?
- (Tiffany) When it was happening, I was like...
- (reporter) Were you like jaw on the floor?
- (Tiffany) First of all, do you know like,
that joke that Chris did,
I remember when that movie came out.
- (reporter) Yeah.
- Mm-hmm.
- (Tiffany) And that was a way to insult a woman,
her sexuality, her physique. - Mm-hmm!
- (Tiffany) It was a way to call a woman a homosexual, basically.
- Mm-hmm.
- (Tiffany) And she sitting right next to her husband,
it was, I remember that in school.
- I did not know that.
- (Tiffany) They would do that to people, you know?
- So it affects queer people as well?
- (Tiffany) It's kinda messed up. - Cool.
- See, I thinking of like, elementary when I hear G.I. Jane,
so yeah, if they're older than me, so I get it now, like,
when I hear G.I. Jane, in my head, I'm like,
that's like a tease, it sounds like, in my head,
oh G.I. Jane, just 'cause it's like okay, like...
But I can see why, that's rooted.
- (Tiffany) Sometimes discipline needs to be administered.
(Jeannie laughs)
(Brian laughs)
- (reporter) Think they can make up?
- Yeah.
- (Tiffany) I think it'll be fine. - Yeah, exactly.
They're grown men, come on.
- (reporter) You'll have to give me the skinny on what happens
if they're both here tonight.
- (Tiffany) Well you know, it ain't none of my business.
- Thank you! - (Tiffany) I don't talk about people.
- My Sagittarius queen.
You ask me a question, I give you the answer,
anything further, it is too much.
- I did not know that it was used as an insult
for queer women. I can speak on that!
Literally, Venus and Serena Williams have had that their entire lives.
Strong, able bodied, like powerful women,
their femininity is taken away, and that's an insult.
- Comedy is entirely subjective, and so in that,
there's a lot of people that you're gonna make laugh,
and then there's some people that aren't.
And then there's some people like past that,
that you're going to offend,
and if it's that person sometimes, it gets to be a little too much.
- It just created a whole discourse of something
that was not just about the Oscars.
It's about human conduct, it's about respect.
It's about can this be told into a joke or not?
- Abusive people.
They will see that,
see that it got pushed under the rug,
and assume that's fine.
So there are a few really, really dangerous mindsets
that will be confirmed if you do not add context and nuance.
- Everyone's watching, the camera's on them,
and you know, I may have not watched the Oscars,
but I also have social media,
so because of that, since this was a key moment,
and people know who,
I don't need to watch the Oscars
to know who Will Smith and Chris Rock are,
so the fact that I was able to just go through Snapchat,
Instagram, all these different social medias
and see this happen repeatedly on different people's platforms,
it's working so well, like, if that was the case,
and it was planned all along,
then they got their, they got what they wanted.
- The way that social media moves is so quick, that like,
crazy things happen, and then we forget about it,
but I think this is one of those ones that like,
we should continue to shine light on.
Of course, you're a comedian, we're all comedians at this point,
and like, you can do as you please with your jokes,
but when it comes to actually harming someone
who's open about a journey who's hard for her,
this should show comedians that are like,
maybe filter them a little bit.
- Moments like these when we can have
a worldwide discussion, I think it just raises consciousness.
This is something that we can all learn from.
- Thank you for watching this episode.
- Let us know how you feel about this situation
down in the comments below.
- Bye guys! - Bye!
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