Committee will be in order.
Recognizes Joan Woman from Wyoming Vice chair Cheney.
Thank you, Mr Chairman.
Before we turn to what Miss Hutchinson saw and heard in the White
House during the violent attack on the capital on January 6th.
Let's discuss certain communications White House chief of staff Mark
Meadows had on January 5th.
President Trump's associate, Roger Stone, attended rallies during
the afternoon in the evening of January, 5th in Washington, D. C.
On January 5th and sixth, Mr Stone was photographed with multiple
members of the oath keepers.
Were allegedly serving as his security detail.
As we now know.
Multiple members of that organization have been charged with or pled
guilty to crimes associated with January 6th.
Mr. Stone has invoked his Fifth Amendment privilege against self
incrimination before this committee.
General Michael Flynn has also taken the fifth before this committee.
Mr Stone previously had been convicted of other federal crimes unrelated
to January, 6th.
General Flynn had pleaded guilty to a felony charge also predating
and unrelated to January, 6th.
President Trump pardoned General Flynn just weeks after the presidential
election.
And in July of 2020, he commuted the sentence. Roger Stone was to
serve
The night before January, 6th president Trump instructed his chief
of staff, Mark Meadows, to contact both Roger Stone and Michael Flynn
regarding what would play out the next day.
Miss Hutchinson. Is it your understanding?
President Trump asked Mark Meadows to speak with Roger Stone and
General Flynn on January 5th.
That's correct. That is my understanding.
Miss Hutchinson. Is it your understanding that Mr Meadows called
Mr Stone on the fifth?
I'm under the impression that Mr Meadows did complete both a call
to Mr Stone and General Flynn the evening of the fifth
And do you know what they talked about that evening, Miss Hutchinson.
I'm not sure.
Is it your understanding that Mr Giuliani, Mr Eastman and others
had set up what has been called quote a war room at the Willard Hotel
on the night of the fifth.
I was aware of that the night of the fifth
And do you know if Mr Meadows ever intended to go to the Willard
Hotel on the night of the fifth?
Mr Meadows had a conversation with me where he wanted me to work
with Secret service on the movement from the White House of the Bullard
hotel so he could attend the meeting.
Or meetings with Mr Giuliani and his associates in the war room.
And what was your view as to whether or not Mr Meadows should go
to the Willard that night?
I had made it clear to Mr Meadows that
I didn't believe it was a smart idea for him to go to the ward hotel
that night.
I wasn't sure everything that was going on at the Bullard Hotel,
although I knew enough about what Mr Giuliani and his associates
were pushing during this period.
I didn't think that it was something appropriate for the White House
chief of staff to attend or to consider involvement and
And made that clear to Mr Meadows.
Throughout the afternoon. He mentioned a few more times going up.
To the World Hotel that evening.
And then eventually dropped the subject the night of the fifth and
said that he would dial in instead.
So General Flynn has appeared before this committee.
And when he appeared before our committee, he took the fifth.
Let's briefly view a clip.
Of General Mike Flynn taking the Fifth Amendment.
General Flynn, do you believe the violence on January 6th justified?
We have a minute.
Yes.
Back.
Could you repeat? The question was
Yes, General Flynn, do you believe the violence on January, 6th was
justified?
You say? Can I get clarifications that a moral question? Are you
asking me legal question? I'm asking both.
Okay?
I said. I said the fifth
Do you believe the violence on January, 6th was justified morally.
Take the fifth.
You believe the violence on January, 6th was justified legally.
General Flynn, do you believe in the peaceful transition of power
in the United States of America?