A lot of it being Tukutz really driving the production and…
- [Tablo] Oh… No…
See this is the problem.
A lot of the beats that are being attributed to Tukutz…
Were made by me.
- [Eric] The songs are incredible on it.
The one that I first got to hear was CL, Zico…
Featuring on Epik High’s ‘Rosario’.
What was the creation process like…
For that song and the music video?
I thought the music video is incredible as well.
- [Tablo] Thank you. Thank you so much.
‘Rosario’ was…
It started off with Tukutz had like a demo beat…
And it was really really upbeat like it was…
Like, I mean like… Birthday party.
Like upbeat.
Where like balloons and like…
- [Tablo] People dressed up as like... - [Eric] A celebration.
- [Tablo] Dinosaurs. You know just…
Everyone with like Maragaritas.
It was just crazy… Happy hour.
And he plays me this beat…
And like he's like, “What do you think?”
And it was good.
But it was just really happy.
I was like listening and then like 10 minutes later…
I was like, “Oh. Yo… I'm going to try to rap to this.”
I go in…
So I ran a little something…
I go in and I did the rap but my rap verse was pretty much what's on the final song.
So it was really dark and…
Sort of menacing at times and didn’t fit the song.
So Tukutz is like, “What the hell are you doing?”
And I'm like, “I can't be who I'm not…
Like this is what I feel when I hear this song. Ironically.”
So we needed to change the song up a bit so that
these two emotions can meet in the middle...
And to do that we actually went to LA…
Pre-US Covid…
This was when like I went there…
I went there and I told… Including your brother…
Eddie Nam. One hunnid percent!
I told everyone there,
“Buy masks. Wear masks.”
It might already be here and no one believed me.
So we got there and we worked with…
Different artists to change up the song…
To try to get different energies into it.
And then we came up with a song that can sound hype…
And like, you know, you can work out to this song.
But at the same time has this sadness and this darkness that I wanted to…
You know, I wanted to deliver.
- [Eric] Speaking of your camps in LA…
I think I was on tour or something.
We were just missing each other.
- [Tablo] Yeah you were on tour.
You were on tour and it was right before your tour got… cancelled.
- [Eric] Yeah… Good times.
But you worked with some long time collaborators and friends of mine as well.
I think for the first time right?
With Rabitt and Mike…
- [Tablo] And Mighty Mike yeah.
- [Eric] But what was it like…
I mean, I've always known of Epik High…
A lot of it being Tukutz really driving the production and…
- [Tablo] Oh… No…
See this is the problem.
- [Eric] Please clear this up.
- [Tablo] This is the problem.
A lot of the beats that are being attributed to Tukutz…
Were made by me.
And this is a grievance I have.
Okay. Here’s the problem.
- [Eric] Let's address it.
Because I'm a rapper…
Visually, I'm a rapper first, right?
So when people like look at our songs and look at the credits…
They think that like…
I'm just making hooks, melodies, and raps…
But I'm actually doing the beat production like…
More than half the album…
I am actually producing the beats.
You know?
But because Tukutz has this like…
You know the…
‘BORN HATER’ producer… Like image.
People keep attributing the beats I made to him.
They're like “Oh my god.
This beat goes hard. DJ Tukutz.”
And you know, I’m not like…
I'm not going to go online and be like…
I'm not going to be like,
“Hey that beat was produced by me.”
But I’m just saying…
This has got to stop, okay?
And the problem with this is that…
Tukutz, when someone in an interview…
When we're doing an interview and they're like,
“Oh this track… ‘Leica’. The beat is so great.”
To Tukutz, right? He won't correct them.
He won't be like, “I actually didn’t make that beat. That was Tablo.”
He will not correct them.
Like he's just sitting there like…
- [Tablo] Getting all… - [Eric] All the praise.
This guy, dude. Anyways…
- [Eric] Well, I’m glad we addressed that.
- [Tablo] I mean, I have no problem with you thinking that Tukutz is the driving force but…
- [Eric] I don’t think I called him the driving force…
I think this is something that’s deep inside of you that we needed to address.
- [Tablo] I'm okay with letting Tukutz have that…
I mean like over the years…
I've actually been the reason why people have started thinking that way…
Because I wanted like…
His place in the team to not like go unnoticed.
But to say “driving force.”
- [Eric] Hey, I'm glad we rectified this misunderstanding…
On the production side.