- [Trainer] Have you seen any of our courses before?
- No. - Okay.
- I saw just little bit on YouTube you know.
- [Trainer] And what is the main problem
that you would like to work on?
- I feel like the first thing I feel it's still afraid
from my vendors.
You don't want to like touch it, you know
just like step up is okay.
And just like, he don't like fingers and screaming,
no reason.
And
I don't know.
I feel like how to socialize it now.
I mean, he didn't have a chance to get it.
Like we didn't have kids
and usually didn't have other, like friends was coming.
If I tried to can take a lounge
but they still like very beautiful.
Yeah. Deal with him.
You know, dealing with him.
I don't know how to control you.
How was no, no, when they, I just take
come out to be occasion, like he goes to the cars
electric and everything is hard for him
so I don't know how to keep him like, and he's not
I feel like he's not the interesting games, you know?
I would mean toys even have like small, like straight up.
He did interesting.
He wanted to come to me.
He want to shoot like my, my watch fawn.
I'm going through the DV going through that.
I mean, yeah.
So like to watch him every time.
No, no, no.
Sometimes I don't know him.
That's why I don't know.
That's why I keep turning
to him and yeah, I have other pairs.
That's just, you feel I'll keep you away
from me like before, like a couple of months.
What kind of problems I have?
Yes.
Yeah.
I want to try to step up.
The only thing he'd come a flight it's debunked.
We have food.
That's it?
Otherwise, sometimes whatever I play step up, step up
because he even said sometimes it floated
up above the cabinet.
I tell him to come back.
He doesn't listen.
Thanks something to know otherwise.
Okay.
So what if you flew up outside the house?
I don't know how you would to come back or not honestly.
Yeah. I think that's a accurate assessment.
So first thing, just to be cautious of, even
though he's clipped, he can fly.
So we hear a lot of stories of people that take their
clipped bird outside
and lose it because they didn't think it could fly
Yeah. What was it going on?
Can I ask you why you didn't use a treat for any of that?
What do you mean exactly?
If he doesn't ask for a kid?
So anytime we interact with the bird
it's a training session.
I have to give them like something.
Well, only if it's a behavior you want to see more of.
So if you want him to step up, I would definitely
offer a treat.
If you want him to step to a tee stand, definitely
offer treat.
So again, break it down to the most simple things.
Birds do things to gain pleasure or avoid pain.
So I would love to see if you have to step up
and give them a tiny piece of treat.
Yes. And then have him step back down after he's
done eating it.
You get another piece of the drink for stepping down
while he's on.
You can give him a treat.
Yeah, good.
A, let them eat it there for a sec.
When he's done, feel free to put them back on the perch
and give him a treat for going on.
Awesome. So as basic as that seems and the most
simplistic form, that is a formal training session
anytime you're taking him
out of the cage, he's, he's learning
Sometimes just sometimes I give him
like three without anything.
Just want any camera for me.
Yeah. Yeah.
I didn't give him that big
a lot of training, usually enough.
Well, and right now
like a formal training session seems like
really have to think through it
but it will become very habitual, like, Oh
do you want to step up?
But you don't want to.
What about for tree?
Okay, we'll do it for treat.
And that's totally fine because you're going to get more
of the behavior you want
from him and less of the unwanted behavior.
If you start to think of, can I pay you to do this?
And I pay you to do that.
You know, and if with older birds, meaning not a baby
which he falls into the older bird category
we fall into what we refer to as permission-based training.
So always ask yourself, do you want to step up?
Will you step up?
And if his answer is no it's because you failed somewhere
with the diet, the treat value something else.
So it's like showing up to work and paying somebody
in rocks instead of hundred dollar bills.
Like, no, I'm not gonna do it for rocks, like pay up.
And, and that's on, like I said, the most simple terms
what we're trying to get from him and to just get you
in the habit of every interaction as a training session.
So if you want more good behavior set yourself
up for success, by working with him before breakfast
and making him earn those treats, or I should say
allowing him the opportunity to earn those treats.
Yeah. Sometimes I feel like
Okay, I want to interact with them.
I want to, but I didn't know.
What's in steps, you know, just
I want to like the mat, what I'm doing.
I wasn't supposed to be, you know
this is the rug that maybe, okay.
I want to pretend I want to train him.
That's what they should do.
Yeah. From where I kind of start we didn't have like steps.
Yeah. Would be tardy training.
Yeah.
So this is what kind of side conversations bring
to this is what people, where it's part of.
Yeah. That's a harder journey, but understand.
So people learn by being told how, what, why or what if?
And we're discovering the last several months
people that learned through just what
which it sounds like you are
I've previously had a hard time teaching those people.
But I think I've got a dialed
into where I can give you really clear steps
because what I really need you to think is why
people that are, why thinkers break
down the behavior better do it more instinctively
because they're trying to figure out why they
why the bird isn't doing that
or why they aren't getting a certain behavior.
But I think I
I can teach you through, through what, but yeah.
Have a little side conversation from us.
So yeah.
Do you wanna, do you have chopsticks?
Okay.
So anytime that you're going to go into a training
a formal training session.
Okay. I want you to preplan what you want it to look like
and then I want you to have a backup plan in your mind.
Okay. So what I want to have happen here is I'm going to
do my best to get him to touch the end of this stick.
Okay. Have you done any of this before?
Maybe just, I did like ones, but when he see the food.
Okay. Maybe he'd do it.
Okay. Otherwise it's not like all the time.
Okay. So my plan is I'm going to do my best to
get him touching the stick.
Okay. He's probably not likely to take the treat from me.
He might, but he might be afraid of me
which means he's more likely to take the treat from you.
So I'd like you to be ready with a treat.
Okay. Yeah.
So if he takes it from me, great.
If not, I'll have you do it.
All right.
Okay. That's how it stopped.
Yeah.
Okay. So
just thinking, Oh
Yeah. I'm surprised.
Sometimes he's really aggressive.
Yeah. He's like biting.
It's not like it touching Gar.
Okay. So without moving your feet, okay.
Yes. You move your feet.
Don't move your feet.
Touch the stick without not moving.
If you try to touch a stick, I can't handle it, right.
Yeah. Okay.
Can you trying there, see how now?
It's not even me like now
so that way your feet ground, the state from me, I grab it.
Right? So you have, you have more range
of motion to be aggressive from there
but if you can't move you're
you're going to keep trying to touch the stick
and you couldn't grab it, right?
Yeah. So on a tee stand, he's really isolated.
If I come in really close I'm in his territory
he's going to bite it.
But if I make him reach, as far as he can
he's going to be less aggressive meaning.
So if I come to the end
like how far I'm going to make them reach
not to show them a treat for us
but you know, make him rage, make them reach.
Right. See how that's kind of like the first example.
If you can't move your feet, if that makes sense.
I want you to go and give that a try.
Yeah. There's more treats for you.
The other thing for people that learn through the
what to do, I want you to think five reps
every session you get five repetitions and they
have to be perfect.
Okay. Okay.
All right.
So our five time that we do it and it's supposed to be like
Forever. So
What is that going to look like?
You can go and just talk it through.
What should it look like for your next five repetitions?
And then after that, we'll talk about what ifs, right?
I mean, it has those times, like the moving too fast.
I mean, maybe show up
on like the three eight and just, I dunno, like
He's still eating.
Yeah. Good catch.
So I'm going to have you come over to this side
And, and go ahead
and keep the stick down until you're ready to start.
Okay. Cause right there, he's like looking
at it and not sure it all clicked for it.
If you have a quicker, I'll click for it.
Okay. So when I did it
the what to do is I want him to touch stick.
He didn't want to touch the stick.
So I showed him the tree and it's like, Oh yeah, that
and then he came over and types of state.
So that's kind of your, your steps.
If he's not willing to do it
you may need to remind him what he's working for.
All right.
Also, I've already done two repetitions.
So you have three repetitions left
and just do your best, make perfect.
All right.
Okay.
Let's go ahead and show the tree one,
remove the treat.
Go slowly.
Closer to perfect.
And then go ahead and lower the stick.
So it's out of you.
Excellent.
That's a good time.
That was, yeah.
Could you, could you feel the difference
between if you're into clothes?
Oh yeah.
Versus this he's like, right?
Yeah. And then the subtle reminder too
there's a lot that all happened in that moment.
Right. So several reminders like, Oh
you don't want to stick
remember you're working for this, put it back then.
We don't want it to only be lowering.
We just want it to be kind of a reminder.
Right. Okay.
So you have two more racks to make them perfect.
Does he have to say like you have to call him or no.
In fact, what he's reading more of your body language
and you're aware of.
So actually if you want to just kind of pause from train
for a second, I'll share a very visual example.
If you're training a dog to sit, oftentimes we'll go sit
and the dog sits.
If you'd go and you don't say sit, he's still probably
going to sit because this has been so
much a part of your cue in the beginning
Could have been where my position was.
So you can take a half step forward.
Okay. Right there.
Okay. So looking at his body language
do you think he's wanting to come over now?
Okay.
But I want to make sure we end on a good note.
So why don't you come over
to this side and just make it super easy for them?
Okay.
Reaching a little bit More.
I think like it wasn't far away
or there's a lot of new things going on.
There's a funny bird over here.
So yeah, right now he's still having treatments.
Now you can go into him in the cage and we'll send them rest
for a little bit or the tea stamp.
So yeah, he actually still has it under his tongue, but
if you want to go out and just put them
in his cage because he's not happy being on the
perch. So
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