on this desk we've got an amd system and an intel system and if you're
playing games there may be this question that pops
through your head well it probably doesn't pop through your
head but for some odd reason this question has been circulating
through my head to the likes where today we're going to get an rtx 2080 ti
we're going to get a camera that shoots at 1000 fps on
a 240 hertz monitor and then we're going to compare
intel versus amd for input lag and see if one has an advantage over the
other and we're also going to throw in a twist
and that is we're going to include a 1680v2 xeon
which is a seven year old cpu and this cpu performed phenomenally well
when i tested it against the 10900k and also the 3950x though those
introductory details out of the way let's quickly take a look at what these
test system configs have in them and then roll those numbers for you guys
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let's get back to the video so here's the first system here
zed or a z490 depending on how you're looking at it
and it's got the 10 900k 32 gigabytes of ddr4 dominator memory with 3600
megahertz cl 16. now moving over to this system
here we've got the same h115i rgb platinum
cooler cooling the cpu but this time around
we're using an x570 phantom gaming x motherboard and a 3950x
it's going to be using the same memory that we're testing in this system we're
just going to hop that memory across and then the last system right here
we've got the x79 with the 1680 v2 xeon with ddr3
cl9 2133 megahertz memory then lastly we've got the aorus kd25f
240hz monitor this thing has extremely low input lag
which i've tested before and it's also got very good response
times in that they're very fast when you smash the overdrive to the
maximum setting
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decided to go in and throw in a heap more tests
within this video and that is first of all we'll do hyper threading versus no
hyper threading and then second of all we're going to do
an amd graphics card versus an nvidia graphics card
and within that we're going to test because we're testing two different
games we're going to test freesync versus
g-sync so i've shot all the results i'm going to go edit them out but
essentially i've found with fortnite is that if we play on a local
server we don't get any ping so we've
eliminated the ping variants that could make the results
just silly and so we're eliminating as many factors
as possible to give you guys an apples to apples comparison using the
same ram using the same motherboard manufacturer using the same monitor
and for this contraption right here which is on an amd box
this is a mouse a logitech g3 that's been hacked up
with an actuation point so as soon as the left mouse click is actuated
there's a light that comes on and in conjunction with a high refresh rate
monitor as well as recording 1000 fps we can see
and eliminate as much variance as possible
to give you guys accurate numbers now another thing as well within fortnite
since it does run better on i found on g-sync even on a
freesync monitor in dx12 i've decided to now test that on the
freesync variant so we will get an idea of if g-single
freesync run better in terms of input latency but another
thing as well we're throwing in csgo just to test the amd versus the nvidia
graphs card with absolutely no sync on at all anyhow i'm now going
to spend a few hours analyzing all these results for you guys
and we'll come back and see what the verdict is
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and now here we are at the conclusion with a hot cup of tea
and here we are finally now with the results
that you may or may not have been waiting for because
going through the numbers here they were pretty uneventful
that's what i'm going to say there wasn't any major differences that were
worth writing home about basically if you had an older xeon or
you had a new 10 900k or a 3950x and you were
gaming with a 2080ti or a 5700 xt you've got real no differences there
that are going to determine how well you can play a game and believe me i'm a big
advocate on input lag and also playing competitively
but when we're seeing differences of only a couple of milliseconds
at best on average then it's nothing to worry about and we'll get onto these
numbers anyway and then we'll talk about things that you should be worrying about
if you're a pc gamer and the first things here uh fortnite was
the game that i guess had the biggest difference if we were to call it that
between the xeon the 3950x
and the 10900k where it scored on average 15.5 milliseconds on the 10900k
going over the 3950x that came second place 18.3
and then moving over to the xeon that scored 19.8
and as we said before with uh fortnite we did put it in dx12 we did
put the monitor to g-sync enabled and on the
case of the amd freesync enabled and we did cap the fps at 240 fps
in-game not only to give us a different look compared to cs go
but because this game i found in the past in general
runs and gives out the best input lag with these settings enabled
and onto cs go showed us a similar trend to fortnite in some ways and the first
thing was we got 12.2 milliseconds average on
highest threading no hyper threading it was
virtually the same on the 10 900k so it's really not going to make
a difference for your games as we did a recent
video on this as well and it really wasn't worth turning off
unless one particular game you could gain some fps
move over to the xeon that's called 14.6 milliseconds average
and then on to the ryzen 3950x that scored 16.3 milliseconds
though i will quickly point out the best frame we scored in this game it was
seven milliseconds on both the xeon and the intel
eight milliseconds on the 3950x so really the best case scenario that
you're going to get out of your hardware isn't a whole lot if we're looking at
averages it might be a few milliseconds if we're looking at the best frame that
we scored in cs go it's one millisecond and so it's really
not going to make a difference between determining whether you're going to be
good or bad at a game but what about graphics
cards we've got here the 2080 ti and also the 5700 xt
now i decided to rerun the test on the 3950x because that's got pcie 4.0
i didn't want any complaints arising from the fact that hey you should have
tested on the amd system so we saw here when we look at fortnite we
re-ran these tests and we got an average time of 18.3
versus 18.2 so there was virtually no difference
between these two gpus in terms of input latency and this was
uh turning on freesync versus g-sync though the best frame was
uh two milliseconds lower at 14 versus 16 so the nvidia did score out
the lowest frame in fortnite on the 3950x
versus the 5700 xt though moving over to cs go
this is where we saw an average of 16.3 milliseconds versus 16.5
and again we had that best frame of 10 milliseconds
versus 8 and we had the worst frame so it did throw out the averages if we're
looking at the averages in cs go it was thrown out by this one anomaly frame
that went up to 29 milliseconds but again
i'm not going to throw that out because that's part of testing you've got to
average all the results whether they're good or
whether they're bad and so coming out of these results at least looking at it
from a pure input latency perspective there was no
real difference in input lag between an amd gpu and a nvidia gpu
both with freesync technology and g-sync technology turned on
versus off in the case of cs go they're looking past the graphics cards and
looking at the cpu the memory the motherboard the power supply
the ssd and potentially a hard drive this stuff here the biggest thing
and the biggest takeout for me personally was you want to make sure
that you're not getting any stuttering in your games out of this hardware so if
your frame rates are very smooth your one percent point one percent lows are
pretty high in that game that means you're going to
be playing well in clutch situations if you're one percent one percent lows
are dropping that's where you're getting massive stuttering
and that's happening during clutch playing that's going to cost you games
so make sure that your hardware isn't stuttering i think that's the biggest
thing to take out of the hardware itself though if we look at it from a pure
number perspective the 10900k did come out a little bit ahead of these other
two cpus both the xeon and the 3950x and of course that thing's clocked at
5.2 gigahertz it is an expensive cpu and it's pretty much
the best you can get for gaming so when it scores a couple of
milliseconds better i guess you would expect it to do so but
another thing on top of that is a couple of milliseconds this is where
we're going to go into the next point of the video which is
way more important for me personally and that is a couple of milliseconds
really just pales in comparison to a monitor with good input lag i've seen
some monitors carry upwards of 50 milliseconds input
lag so if you're playing with that you're automatically at a massive
disadvantage versus a xeon versus a 10900k versus a 3950x
another thing too is the mouse if you're using a bad mouse
with input lag i've seen mice with like 10 20 milliseconds input lag
if you've got a crap mouse that's going to be adding input lag to the chain
so if you've got a bad monitor bad mouse you could be adding anywhere upwards of
70 milliseconds just on these two devices alone then of
course the last factor we've got your internet connection so if
you're playing games online and you've got a poor internet connection or you
live very far from the servers you're gonna be adding another 50 100
even 200 milliseconds to your total system delay and so that
will cost you games so when it comes down to a hardware
perspective yes there are some very minimal advantages to be gained
but i would make sure that everything else in your pipeline
is working to the best of its abilities going into this i was hoping for a
bigger discrepancy that would have made it more exciting
but sometimes the news just isn't that exciting
though one thing that we can look at finally is if you're using
your computer for competitive gaming one thing that i've always done in the past
and one thing i do recommend going forward
is always use the usb ports at the top of your motherboard and the reason you
should be using these usb ports is that they're generally connected
directly to the cpu giving you technically the best input
latency but with all that out of the way if you guys
enjoyed today's video then be sure to give us a like
also let us know in the comment section below what you think of input
latency and how do you get the best results yourself is there some tips and
tricks that you've noticed with particular
games or with particular hardware that has netted you some better results
love reading your thoughts and opinions as always but going forward from here i
will say when it comes to testing cpu and memory
and some of these individual components i'm probably gonna
stop it at this video because two to four milliseconds really
isn't a whole lot and it's nothing as we said before
compared to your monitor and mouse another thing is too is that the games
i'm more focused on them i've found some games
can carry a pretty big input delay themselves
for instance i've tested ashes of the singularity in the past
and that's had some pretty bad input delay as opposed to cs go and fortnite
they've got really low input delay meaning that the
engines that they've designed for these games
have been very well designed for pc to the point where you have very little
input delay and that's what you want ultimately for
competitive play and now we've got the question of the day which comes from
unfortunate sun and they ask where can i buy used parts that are not broken
and basically i've talked about used parts for years here on the channel
quick and easy answer is buy local make sure it works before you buy it that's
the best thing you can do if you're buying online
buy off a reputable seller someone that has really good feedback so if you're
going online and you're buying off someone that says
this thing works so well but i tested it one year ago
and they got zero feedback there's a pretty good chance that that part
might be broken so with that in mind local check out the parts make sure and
verify they're working online reputable seller you're good to
go you shouldn't be getting hosed well you should rarely be getting hosed
if you do those two things hope that answers that question and i'll catch you
in another tech video very soon peace out for now and if you stay this
far ring the ring the sub and the bell bye
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