RESPONSE BECAUSE AT THIS HOUR
THERE IS SO MUCH TO DISCUSS WITH
THE NATIONS MOST PROMINENT
PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICIAL.
DR. FAUCI IS FACING AN
EXTRAORDINARY BACKLASH FROM
LEADERS IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
RAMPING UP THEIR CRITICISMS
AFTER THE PUBLIC DISCLOSURE OF
THOUSANDS OF DR. FAUCIS EMAILS.
THEY DONT APPEAR TO CONTAIN
ANYTHING PARTICULARLY EXPLOSIVE.
STILL, THE ATTACKS AGAINST HIM
ARE RELENTLESS AND FAMILIAR IF
YOU FOLLOW AMERICAN POLITICS
OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO WEAPONIZE
SOMETHING THAT ISNT HARMLESS
AND TRY TO CREATE A CONTROVERSY.
WEVE SEEN THIS WITH EMAILS
BEFORE, HAVENT WE?
LARGELY, IT SEEMS IN AN EFFORT
TO EXCUSE OR PAPER OVER THE
FORMER PRESIDENTS DISASTERROUS
HANDLING OF THIS PANDEMIC.
THE RESULT, DR. FAUCI FINDS
HIMSELF AT THE CENTER OF THE GOP
MESSAGING WHICH IS A PLACE A
PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICIAL LIKE HIM
DOES NOT LIKE TO BE.
FRANKLY, ITS WHAT HAPPENED TO A
LOT OF PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICIALS
ON THE STATE AND LOCAL LEVEL, SO
MANY OF THEM ENDED UP LEAVING
THEIR JOBS.
WELL TALK ABOUT THAT WITH HIM,
TOO.
ESPECIALLY AT A TIME THERE IS
STILL SO MUCH MORE WORK TO BE
DONE.
WE HAVE A LOT OF IMPORTANT
QUESTIONS THE PUBLIC NEEDS
ANSWERED ABOUT THIS VIRUS THERE
ARE INTENSIFYING QUESTIONS ABOUT
THE ORIGINS AFTER IT WAS
ACKNOWLEDGED THERE IS A DISTINCT
POSSIBILITY IT MIGHT TRACE BACK
TO A LAB THAT WAS INFLATED AND
CONFUSED WITH BASELESS CLAIMS
THIS WAS SOMEHOW MAN-MADE AND
QUESTIONS AROUND THE VACCINE
STRATEGY AT HOME AND ABROAD AND
ADMINISTRATION IS ON PACE TO
FALL SHORT OF THE JULY 4th GOAL
TO HAVE 70% OF THE UNITED STATES
ADULTS VACCINATED WITH AT LEAST
ONE DOSE.
SOME VACCINE DOSES ARE SITTING
ON THE SHELVES SO LONG THEY MAY
NOT BE USABLE AND WE MAY NOT BE
ABLE TO GET THEM TO ANOTHER
COUNTRY TO BE USED.
AS BIDEN MAKES THE FIRST
OVERSEAS TRIP, THE U.S. IS
FACING PRESSURE TO SEND MORE
DOSES ABROAD AS THE VIRUS
GLOBAL SPREAD BREEDS NEW AND
CONCERNING VARIANTS.
LIKE THE ONE SPREADING IN THE
U.K. WHICH IS ALSO FOUND IN THE
UNITED STATES.
LIKE I SAID, WE GOT A LOT TO
DISCUSS WITH DR. FAUCI SO LETS
DIVE IN.
JOINING ME IS THE DIRECTOR OF
THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF
ALLERGY AND CHIEF MEDICAL
ADVISOR PRESIDENT BIDEN.
DR. ANTHONY FAUCI.
WELCOME BACK TO "MEET THE
PRESS."
>> THANK YOU, CHUCK.
GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.
>> I WANT TO START WITH THE JULY
4th GOAL AND THE 70% AND WHAT
YOU THINK IS THE MISSING
INGREDIENT IF THERE IS ONE HERE
TO GET THERE.
YOUVE SEEN -- YOU KNOW THE PACE
OF VACCINATIONS.
IT
ITS FALLEN BACK.
IT FEELS LIKE WERE ON A DOOR TO
DOOR CAMPAIGN.
DO WE HAVE THE RESOURCES AND
TIME TO GO DOOR TO DOOR TO MEET
THIS GOAL AND HOW IMPORTANT IS
IT TO MEET THE GORE OR IS IT
ARBITRARY?
>> IT IS IMPORTANT TO MEET IT.
WHEN YOU SET GOALS, CHUCK, YOU
DO IT TO GIVE YOURSELF THE
STIMULUS TO GET THERE.
IF YOU FALL SHORT OF THAT,
THATS NOT THE END OF THE GAME.
YOU CONTINUE TO PUSH AND EVEN IF
WE DO, WHICH I HOPE WE DO, I
BELIEVE WE CAN MEET THE GOAL BY
JULY 4th OF GETTING 70% OF THE
ADULT POPULATION WITH AT LEAST
ONE DOSE, EVEN IF WE DO, WE
DONT WANT TO STOP THERE.
WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO GET AS
MANY PEOPLE VACCINATED AS
QUICKLY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
ITS IMPORTANT TO GO ALL THE WAY
AS MUCH AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN.
A GOAL IS IMPORTANT AND WELL
TRY AND GET THERE.
YOURE RIGHT, THINGS HAVE SLOWED
DOWN A BIT BUT THATS WHAT
HAPPENS WHEN THE COHORT OF
PEOPLE HAVE NOT BEEN VACCINATED
IS SMALLER AND SMALLER AS YOU
VACCINATE MORE PEOPLE.
AS YOU SAID, WE HAVE ABOUT 50%
OF THE ADULT POPULATION IS
ALREADY COMPLETELY VACCINATED
AND OVER 60% HAVE HAD AT LEAST
ONE DOSE.
SO WERE DOING VERY WELL, BUT WE
WANT TO DO EVEN BETTER.
>> WHATS THE DROP -- I THINK
ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WERE JUST
BEGINNING SUMMER AND I KNOW
PEOPLE DONT WANT ME TO BRING UP
FALL YET BUT LOOK, WE KNOW WHAT
THE FALL AND WINTER BRING.
COLD AND FLU SEASON AND PERHAPS
THIS.
WHAT IS THE, LIKE, OKAY, WERE
NOT AT 70% BY THE FOURTH OF
JULY, THATS NOT GOOD BUT WE CAN
LIVE WITH THAT.
WHAT IS THAT LIKE BEFORE THE
FALL AND WINTER BECOME
POTENTIALLY PROBLEMATIC IF WE
CANT MEET THIS 75, 80%
THRESHOLD?
>> WELL, CHUCK, ITS IMPORTANT
TO KNOW WHAT YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW
IS WE HAVE A BIG COUNTRY AND
THERE IS REAL DISPARITIES AND
DIFFERENCES IN THE PERCENT OF
PEOPLE WHO ARE VACCINATED IN
DIFFERENT STATES, CITIES,
REGIONS AND VARIANTS WE HAVE NOW
13 OF THESE STATES REACHED THE
70%.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP YOULL
SEE THERE ARE SOME REGIONS WELL
BELOW 50% WHICH IS REALLY
UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE THOSE ARE
THE STATES IN THE AREAS THAT ARE
GOING TO BE MOST VULNERABLE IF
IN FACT THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR
A SURGE AS WE GET INTO THE FALL.
THIS IS PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT,
CHUCK, BECAUSE WERE CONCERNED
ABOUT VARIANTS.
THE U.K. WAS IN VERY MUCH
OPPOSITION.
THEY HAD THE B.117 AND DOING
VERY, VERY WELL AND WHAT THEYRE
STARTING TO SEE IS THE NEW DELTA
VARIANT, THE 617 THAT ORIGINATED
OR AT LEAST FIRST RECOGNIZED IN
INDIA IS NOW BECOMING DOMINANT
IN THE U.K.
THERE IS ABOUT 60%.
I WAS SPEAKING TO THEIR HEALTH
OFFICIALS THE OTHER DAY.
ITS ABOUT
ITS ABOUT 60% THERE.
FORTUNATELY FOR US, THE VACCINES
THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE ARE GOOD
AGAINST THE B.117.
NOT MUCH AGAINST THE 617 ORDEAL
TO SO FOR GOODNESS SAKES, WE
HAVE THE TOOLS IN OUR HAND TO
PREVENT ANY DIFFICULTIES FROM
OCCURRING IN SEPTEMBER AND
THATS THE REASON WHY WERE OUT
THERE REALLY PUSHING AND BEATING
THE BUSHES AND TRYING TO GET
PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHY ITS SO
IMPORTANT FOR THEM TO GET
VACCINATED NOT ONLY FOR
THEMSELVES AND THEIR OWN
PROTECTION, FOR THEIR FAMILY BUT
ALSO THEY DONT WANT TO BE A
VEHICLE FOR THE SPREAD OF THE
VIRUS.
YOU WANT TO BE A DEAD END FOR
THE VIRUS AND THATS WHAT WERE
TRYING TO GET ACROSS.
>> WERE STILL ON ANY GIVEN DAY
TWO TO 400 PEOPLE ARE DYING FROM
THIS VIRUS.
ITS STILL ANYWHERE FROM 1500 TO
2500 A WEEK.
THIS IS NOT AN INSIGNIFICANT
AMOUNT OF PEOPLE.
WHO IS DYING?
WHO IS GETTING HOSPITALIZED?
JUST, IS IT A DIFFERENT -- IS IT
A DIFFERENT AGE GROUP?
IS IT -- ARE WE SEEING THE SAME
PEOPLE WHO ARE VULNERABLE IN THE
PAST BEING THE ONES
HOSPITALIZED?
>> WELL, WERE SEEING A LITTLE
SKEWING OF IT, CHUCK, BECAUSE IF
YOU LOOK AT THE ELDERLY, THEY
HAVE DONE WELL.
WEVE BEEN ABLE TO VACCINATE,
YOU KNOW, 80% OR SO OF PEOPLE
OVER A PARTICULAR 65 YEARS OLD
OF AGE AND OLDER.
THE HOSPITALIZATIONS AND DEATHS
ARE LOWER BUT WE ARE STARTING TO
SEE RIGHT NOW EVEN THOUGH THE
LIKELIHOOD OF A YOUNGER PERSON
WHO GETS INFECTED GETTING A
SERIOUS OUTCOME IS STILL
CERTAINLY MUCH LESS THAN THE
ELDERLY OR THOSE WITH UNDERLYING
CONDITIONS.
WERE SEEING NOW CLEARLY THE
PEOPLE WHO ARE YOUNGER ARE
GETTING HOSPITALIZED AND
COMPLETELY AT THE RISK OF HAVING
A SERIOUS OUTCOME.
WE TALKED TO PHYSICIANS AND
HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS IN THE
TRENCHES IN THE EMERGENCY ROOMS
AND IN THE HOSPITAL.
THEYRE TELLING YOU THEYRE
SEEING MORE AND MORE YOUNG
PEOPLE WHO COME IN WITH SEVERE
DISEASE.
>> I WANT TO TRANSITION A BIT TO
THE GLOBAL CHALLENGE.
HERE IS HOW THE FOREIGN AFFAIRS
PUT IT, PUT IT YESTERDAY.
IT IS TIME TO SAY IT OUT LOUD,
THE VIRUS BEHIND THE COVID-19
PANDEMIC IS NOT GOING AWAY AMONG
HUMANS GLOBAL HERD IMMUNITY ONCE
PROMOTED AS A SINGULAR SOLUTION
IS UNREACHABLE.
MOST COUNTRIES DONT HAVE ENOUGH
VACCINES TO GO AROUND AND THE
LUCKY FEW WITH AN AMPLE SUPPLY,
TOO MANY ARE REFUSING TO GET THE
SHOT.
THE WORLD WILL NOT REACH THE
POINT TO STOP THE SPREAD BEFORE
THE DANGEROUS EMERGING OF
VARIANTS.
IT MIGHT BE 2020 ALL OVER AGAIN.
IS AMERICA LIVING IN A BUBBLE
WHERE THE REST OF THE WORLD IS
STILL LIVING IN A PANDEMIC AND
WERE NOT AND HOW PROTECTED ARE
WE IN OUR BUBBLE IF THATS THE
CASE?
>> WELL, YOU MAKE AN
EXTRAORDINARILY IMPORTANT POINT, CHUCK.
GLOBAL PANDEMICS WILL BE SOLVED
BY A GLOBAL SOLUTION.
YOU CANT LIVE IN A VACUUM IN AN
ENTER CONNECTED WORLD WHEN
YOURE DEALING WITH A HIGHLY
TRANSMISSIBLE RESPIRATORY VIRUS.
WERE DOING WELL GETTING PEOPLE
VACCINATED AS WE MENTIONED A FEW
MOMENTS AGO.
OTHER COUNTRIES THAT ARE IN THE
DEVELOPED WORLD ARE DOING WELL
BUT THERE ARE MANY COUNTRIES IN
THE WORLD IN WHICH THE LEVEL OF
VACCINE IS SO LOW THROUGH NO
FAULT OF THEIR OWN AND DONT
HAVE THE RESOURCES AND
CAPABILITY AND THATS THE REASON
WHY I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN OF THE
MIND SET TO SAY WE MUST LOOK AT
THIS IN THE CONTEXT OF A GLOBAL
SOLUTION.
I FEEL AND IVE BEEN THIS WAY
FOR 40 YEARS SINCE THE DAYS OF
HIV WHEN I FELT WE NEEDED TO GET
INTERVENTIONS IN THE DEVELOPING
WORLD BOTH AS RESPONSIBILITY FOR
THOSE INDIVIDUALS AND THOSE
COUNTRIES WHO ARE SUFFERING
BECAUSE THEY DONT HAVE THE
RESOURCES BUT ALSO FOR OUR OWN
SELF-INTEREST BECAUSE IF YOU
HAVE THE SMOLDERING IF NOT THE
PURE OUTBREAK OF INFECTION IN
OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD, THERE
IS ALWAYS THE DANGER IF NOT THE
INEVITABLE THREAT THAT THERE ARE
GOING TO BE VARIANTS THAT WILL
COME.
FORTUNATELY FOR US, WEVE DONE
VERY, VERY WELL WITH OUR
VACCINES WITH THE VARIANTS THAT
ARE CURRENTLY CIRCULATING BUT
THERE CERTAINLY IS A POSSIBILITY
THERE WILL BE THE EMERGING OF A
VARIANT THAT WOULD ELUDE THE
PROTECTION OF A VACCINE.
WE REALLY DO WANT TO LOOK VERY
CAREFULLY WHAT IS GOING ON IN
THE REST OF THE WORLD AND HELP
IN WHATEVER WAY WE CAN.
>> HAVE YOU BEEN PUSHING
PRESIDENT BIDEN?
HE SEEMS TO BE A BIT -- IT FEELS
AS IF WEVE BEEN A BIT
RELUCTANT, YOU KNOW, GIVING KPES
VACCINE
-- EXCESS VACCINE AWAY.
THE POLITICAL PRICE IF IT SOUNDS
LIKE SOMEBODY WHO WANTED A
VACCINE AND WE SENT IT TO
ANOTHER COUNTRY, I UNDERSTAND
THAT SORT OF POLITICAL FEAR THAT
MIGHT BE IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD
OF WHETHER ITS THE PRESIDENT OR
OTHERS BUT WHY DOES IT APPEAR WE
HAVE BEEN A BIT SLOW WITH
HANDING OUT OUR VIRUS AROUND THE
WORLD?
>> YEAH.
CHUCK, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME ABS
ANSWER THE QUESTION.
THROUGH THE MEDICAL TEAM, JEFF
AND THE ENTIRE TEAM OF WHICH I
AM A PART OF THAT TEAM HAVE MADE
IT VERY CLEAR I HAVE BEEN VERY
VOCAL ABOUT THE NEED TO HAVE A
GLOBAL SOLUTION.
I MENTIONED THIS TO THE
PRESIDENT.
IT HAS GONE TO THE PRESIDENT
THROUGH THE TEAM.
THE PRESIDENT IS A, AWARE OF IT.
B, SENSITIVE TO IT AND VERY
EMPATHETIC ABOUT IT AND I THINK
WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS WAIT TO SEE
WHAT HAPPENS IN THE G 7.
I THINK THATS IMPORTANT FOR US
TO WAIT TO SEE WHAT THE
PRESIDENT DOES AT THE G 7
MEETING.
>> SOUNDS LIKE ONE OF THOSE YOU
DONT WANT TO GET AHEAD OF THE
PRESIDENT AS SOMEBODY WHO
COVERED PRESIDENTS, I THINK I
KNOW THE TRAP YOU MAY FEEL LIKE
YOURE IN ON THAT FRONT ON
PUBLIC DISCLOSURE.
LET ME TRANSITION TO A REPORT
YESTERDAY AND GET AN ORIGIN.
THE "WALL STREET JOURNAL" SAID
THERE WAS A REPORT ON COVID AND
CONCLUDED THE VIRUS LEAKED FROM
A CHINESE LAB IN WUHAN WAS
PLAUSIBLE AND THE TIME DESERVED
FURTHER INVESTIGATION ACCORDING
TO MULTIPLE PEOPLE FAMILIAR WITH
THIS CLASSIFIED DOCUMENT.
WHAT CAN YOU -- WHAT KIND OF
LIGHT CAN YOU SHED ON THIS
REPORT AND WHAT DO YOU REMEMBER
ABOUT IT AT THE TIME?
>> CHUCK, THERE IS NOTHING NEW
ABOUT THAT.
ALL OF US HAVE ALWAYS REALIZED
AND I FEEL THIS WAY, I HAVENT
CHANGED.
MOST OF THE SCIENTISTS THAT I
KNOW FEEL THAT WAY THAT THE MOST
LIKELY ORIGIN IS A NATURAL
ORIGIN FROM AN ANIMAL RESERVOIR
TO HUMAN HOWEVER, WE HAVE NOT
RULED OUT THE POSSIBILITY THAT
THERE COULD HAVE BEEN A LEAK
FROM THE LAB OF THEM WORKING ON
THE VIRUS.
IT COULD HAVE BEEN THAT SOMEONE
WAS INFECTED EARLY ON.
THEY BROUGHT THEM INTO THE LAB
AND CAME OUT OF THE LAB AND IT
WAS ALREADY IN THE COMMUNITY.
I THINK THE CONFUSION IS BECAUSE
MOST OF THE SCIENTISTS FELT THAT
THE MOST LIKELY AND THE REASON
MOST LIKELY HISTORICALLY WEVE
SEEN THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
WEVE SEEN IT WITH SARS, COV 1
WITH MARS, EBOLA, INFLUENZA,
PANDEMIC FLU, BIRD FLU, HIV,
AIDS, THATS WHAT YOU SEE ALL
THE TIME THAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU
HAVE THE HUMAN ANIMAL INTERFACE
BUT ALL OF US ARE OPEN MINDED
ENOUGH TO KNOW UNTIL YOU NAIL
DOWN EXACTLY WHAT IT IS, YOU
ALWAYS MUST LEAVE OPEN THE
POSSIBILITY WITH AN OPEN MIND
THAT THERE COULD BE A LEAK.
SO WITH THAT REPORT THAT YOU
JUST PUT UP OF SAYING IS NOT
ANYTHING NEW OR ANYTHING THAT
ANYONE HAS BEEN OR TICK KATINGE
ALONG.
WHEN A SCIENTISTS SAYS THEY FEEL
THE MOST LIKELY IDEOLOGY OR
ORIGIN IS IN THIS CASE NATURAL,
THAT DOESNT MEAN THERE IS A
CLOSED MIND TO IT BEING A LEAK.
EVEN THOUGH MANY PEOPLE FEEL
MYSELF INCLUDED, THATS STILL
THE MOST LIKELY ORIGIN IS A
NATURAL ONE.
>> BY THE WAY, WE KEEP TALKING
ABOUT A LEAK AND NATURAL ORIGIN.
AND THIS GETS TO SORT OF THE
CIRCULAR LOGIC OF THIS CRITIQUE.
IM NOT A SCIENTIST BUT LET ME
ASK YOU THIS, IF THIS WAS A
MANUFACTURED VIRUS, WHY IS ONE
OF THE WORST VACCINES THATS
CIRCULATING GLOBALLY THE ONE
CREATED BY THE CHINESE?
>> RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU MAY HAVE
MENTIONED IT IN THE RUN INTO THE
SHOW, CHUCK, VERY ACCURATELY
THAT WHAT I THINK PEOPLE
CONFLICT AND MAYBE GET CONFUSED
WHEN THEY SAY LEAK.
THERE IS TWO WAYS OF LOOKING AT
THAT.
DID YOU DELIBERATELY MAKE A
VIRUS YOU WANTED TO DO HARM TO
THE WORLD AND THEN IT LEAKED
OUT?
WELL, WHY WOULD THE CHINESE WANT
TO MAKE A VIRUS THAT EQUALLY
KILLS THEM AS KILLS OTHER
PEOPLE?
SO THATS THE REASON WHY WHEN
YOU TALK ABOUT THATS REALLY WAY
OUT THERE AND LIKE OFF THE WALL.
OFF THE CHART.
THE OTHER ONE IS WERE THEY THERE
WORKING WITH SOMETHING THEY
SOMEHOW MANIPULATED THE VIRUS
AND IT LEAKED OUT?
CERTAINLY THATS A POSSIBILITY.
NOTHING WEVE SEEN IF YOU LOOK
AT THE VIRUS LOOKS LIKE THAT IT
MIGHT HAVE BEEN MANUFACTURED IN
THE LABORATORY WHEN YOU GET THE
VIE
VIRAL EVOLUTION WHO KNOW
VIROLOGY LOOK AT THAT AND SAY WE
DONT SEE ANYTHING THAT LOOKS
LIKE THAT.
THIS IDEA ABOUT A FEAR SITE THAT
HAPPENS WITH OTHER VIRUSES.
IT HAPPENED WITH CORONAVIRUSES.
SO THERE THE IS POSSIBILITY YOU
ALWAYS WANT TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND
AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THOSE
THINGS, THE GENERAL PUBLIC
UNDERSTANDABLY, WHY SHOULD THEY
UNDERSTAND THOSE KINDS OF
THINGS.
THEY ARE VERY COMPLICATED BUT
JUST KNOW THAT THERE IS AN OPEN
MIND, WHICH IS THE REASON WHY I
HAVE BEEN SAYING IM IN FAVOR OF
FURTHER INVESTIGATION.
I HAVENT CHANGED MY MIND.
IT WAS VERY INTERESTING WHEN I
WAS ASKED, CHUCK, I BELIEVE BY
POLITIFACT.
THEY SAID ARE YOU ABSOLUTELY
CERTAIN THIS WAS NOT A LAB LEAK?
AND I SAID OF COURSE IM NOT
ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN.
NOBODY IS.
THAT MADE BIG NEWS THAT I SORT
OF CHANGED MY MIND.
I DIDNT CHANGE ANYTHING.
I STILL FEEL THE SAME WAY.
YOU WANT TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND.
ITS A POSSIBILITY.
I BELIEVE ITS A HIGHLY UNLIKELY
POSSIBILITY, AND I BELIEVE THAT
THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE THAT YOU
LOOK AT WHAT SCIENTISTS FEEL IS
VERY LIKELY THAT IT WAS A
NATURAL ORIGIN BUT AGAIN, ALWAYS
KEEPING AN OPEN MIND AND LETS
INVESTIGATE IT AND THATS WHY I
HAVE COME OUT SAYING IM VERY
MUCH IN FAVOR OF FURTHER
INVESTIGATION.
>> WHAT -- LOOK, YOURE A
SCIENTIST AT HEART, WHICH MEANS
ALL SCIENTISTS HAVE A
HYPOTHESIS.
WHAT IS YOUR LEADING HYPOTHESIS
THEN?
IS THIS MORE OF A CHINA IS
COVERING UP WHEN THEY FOUND THE
VIRUS OR CHINAS PANIC IT WAS
SOMETHING THEY WERE STUDYING AND
LEAKED OUT? WHATS THE MORE LIKELY SCENARIO?
WHATS THE MORE LIKELY SCENARIO?
>> YOU KNOW, CHUCK, I DONT WANT
TO GET INTO THAT.
EVERYTHING I SAY GETS TAKEN OUT
OF CONTEXT NOT BY YOU BUT
OTHERS.
ITS A TOUGH ONE.
WHAT COULD CERTAINLY HAVE
HAPPENED IS THAT THERE WAS
DISEASE IN CHINA THAT WHEN
VIRUSES START TO INFECT HUMANS,
THEY OFTEN HAVE TO ADAPT BETTER.
SO THERE COULD HAVE BEEN
INFECTION GOING ON THERE FOR
AWHILE THAT WAS UNDETECTED AND
THEN WHEN ADAPTED ITSELF WELL
STARTING TO MAKE REALLY VERY
CLINICALLY APPARENT DISEASE,
THEY STARTED TO RECOGNIZE THAT